need help on gh cycle for mass and lean

**gypsy3034** · 05-20-2005, 10:15 PM

i am starting a 10 week cycle of tren prop and eq, than on 4th week i will start my gh .i am doing 5days on and 2days off ,useing 4iu's for 6mth. than on week 12 i will run a low dose of t3 and glen for 5weeks, should i add some test. can anybody help me out there plz thanks

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 05:35 AM

thanks alot man, dont all respond at once? i here a lot of advice on the forum but none here were are the knowlegble experts on gh can some one give me abit of advice i am not asking for a lot thanks

**map200uk** · 05-21-2005, 06:20 AM

you dont ned to know, id personally run a gram of test for the whole 6mths

but thats just me

map

**jerseyboy** · 05-21-2005, 07:11 AM

As I posted in the other thread, you should start the GH at least 8 weeks prior to your AAS cycle, not after. You should run a low dose of T3 throughout the GH cycle. And prop is a test. Yes, definitely run a test with GH. Prop is a good choice since you won't hold as much water and goes well with tren . Clen is personal preference IMO. I don't use it.

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 07:43 AM

first start the hgh then after 6-8 weeks start the aas.
run the hgh through pct for an easyer recovery and keeping more gains.

run t3 the whole time you run hgh

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 10:54 AM

thanks for replaying back to me so soon . i was told to run the aas first so the test levels would help better for the gh . jersy boy have you always tryed it that way ? and has it worked for you . i am 35 years of age and this is my first gh course i am quite kwonlegble on steroids this would be my 4th cycle if you have any more tips for me i would really appriceated . do you thing i should start with 2 ius or 4 ius ?

thanks

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 10:58 AM

first hgh cause it takes a while to get youre igf-1 levels elevated,and this is what cauases hyperplasia and thus muscle growth.

-rodge

**jerseyboy** · 05-21-2005, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

first hgh cause it takes a while to get youre igf-1 levels elevated,and this is what cauases hyperplasia and thus muscle growth.

-rodge

Exactly

**jerseyboy** · 05-21-2005, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by gypsy3034

thanks for replaying back to me so soon . i was told to run the aas first so the test levels would help better for the gh . jersy boy have you always tryed it that way ? and has it worked for you . i am 35 years of age and this is my first gh course i am quite kwonlegble on steroids this would be my 4th cycle if you have any more tips for me i would really appriceated . do you thing i should start with 2 ius or 4 ius ?

thanks

Yes I started my GH run 2 months before hand and ran it with slin. It's also good to start at 2iu's and ramp up to 3 or 4 so you can see what sides you get. For some the sore joints, water bloat and fatigue are too much. Also at 35 you may get better results from 2 or 3iu's than someone say 23 and using 4iu's. It helps to get IGF levels checked like ZNAK did. I'm 34 and have been on GH for about 3 months. I've lost a lot of fat but I just bumped the dose to 3iu's to see what kind of results I get.

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 11:20 AM

should i run the t3 with the gh straight away and how long for.

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by gypsy3034

should i run the t3 with the gh straight away and how long for.

yes,at 25mcg ed

-rodge

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 11:25 AM

for as long as you take the hgh

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 11:30 AM

thanks . i am runing it for 6mth , but if i will start with 2iu's i will run it for 8mth

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 11:32 AM

that would give you some decent gains.

good luck and let us know how it goes.

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 11:33 AM

would that be oky for 8mth

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 11:35 AM

yeah that would be ok cause that would be the amount thats shunt away the hgh.

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 11:37 AM

do u think AAS cycle is long enough

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

yeah that would be ok cause that would be the amount thats shunt away the hgh.

-rodge

wat do you mean rodge, sorry for being stupid.

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 11:40 AM

whats youre cycle history and what are youre goals?

stats would be helpfull too.

-rodge

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by gypsy3034

wat do you mean rodge, sorry for being stupid.

gh lowers thyroid function and thus less t3,the 25mcg would make this up.

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 11:50 AM

rodge
my stats are
5ft9inc tall , 88 kilos , bodyfat is 15% age is 35years
my cycle history has always been on 12weeks of deca at 400mg a week , 750 sust a week and d-bol up to 10 for 6 weeks i had 2 cycles of them plus i had an 8 week course tren , winny that is it and my goal is to keep lean and defined with some mass

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 12:32 PM

if youre gonna use EQ then run it for at least 12 weeks run the test higher then the EQ and a 2 weeks longer.
i'm not a big fan of tren but thats because i can't stand the night sweats.

i my self would run the test at 750mg and the EQat 500mg and thats it,but thats just my opinion.

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

if youre gonna use EQ then run it for at least 12 weeks run the test higher then the EQ and a 2 weeks longer.
i'm not a big fan of tren but thats because i can't stand the night sweats.

i my self would run the test at 750mg and the EQat 500mg and thats it,but thats just my opinion.

-rodge

i need to know if i need to split the 2 ius exp morning and afternoon , or just take one shot in the morning .

thanks for the replay

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by gypsy3034

i need to know if i need to split the 2 ius exp morning and afternoon , or just take one shot in the morning .

thanks for the replay

just take it all in once,if you decide to go higher then split it up.

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 01:07 PM

thanks. wats the best time to take it , and wat time if i had to split it.

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 01:14 PM

i take it first thing in the morning and right before bed cause normally youre body produces the most gh in the first couple of hours of youre sleep,and i believe in the fact that youre endo gh is supressed even if you take it at noon so i shoot it as close as possible as its ment to be.

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 01:21 PM

nice one mate, thanks for the info. are u on any cycle right now , if so wat are u on and wat results are u seeing. let me no thanks

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 01:30 PM

i'm on year round since recently.
at this moment 3 iu hgh, 25 mcg t3, 250mg test-e and 200mg deca .

i run these low doses because i've had a surgery 2 weeks ago, i've had a torn pectoralis major. can't wait to get back to the gym and bump up the doses but this is gonna take at least another 12 weeks is what the doctors say :-(

i was planning on doing a show in november 2006 so i'm hoping i can make this.

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 01:35 PM

good luck with the show. wat is ur age if u dont mind me asking u.

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by gypsy3034

good luck with the show. wat is ur age if u dont mind me asking u.

thnx

next month i'm gonna be 31

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 01:40 PM

and wat gh ru u yousing, i am geting norditroping/somatropin have u heard of it.

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 01:42 PM

i'm on jin
i've heard of the others but have never used them.

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

thnx

next month i'm gonna be 31

-rodge

so gh works good for are age group,and u see good results .

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 01:45 PM

have u always yoused jin.

**rodge** · 05-21-2005, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by gypsy3034

have u always yoused jin.

i'm in week 11 of the gh wich is my first time.
i've done 2 cycles of igf-1 before that and started using slin this januari.
after 14 years of training and 10 years of aas this takes me to the next level i hope.

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

i'm in week 11 of the gh wich is my first time.
i've done 2 cycles of igf-1 before that and started using slin this januari.
after 14 years of training and 10 years of aas this takes me to the next level i hope.

-rodge

i would think so, do u compit alot . (cant wait to start my cycle)

**LivinLegend54** · 05-21-2005, 05:54 PM

Does anyone understand when you run T3 and/or Cytomil for a long time you can perminantly **** up your metabolism? Either you will stay fat forever or have an extremely hard time gaining weight. It is a thyroid hormone and it can get ****ed up... so I dont think taking T3 for the whole 6 month cycle of HGH is a really smart think. But thats coming from a Phd... you dont have to listen to me.

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**gypsy3034** · 05-21-2005, 11:05 PM

rodge- livinlengend54 has got a point for wat he is saying, if prolonging cytomel it can mess up ur metabolism, as far as i know u should cycle it for 5weeks and 8off. have you got any info y u should cycle it throug out the gh cycle let me now mate. hope to hear of u soon. thanks

**rodge** · 05-22-2005, 03:46 AM

i've talked about it with mallet and red baron 2 very knowledgable bros on this subject and they told me that the 25mcg we take is only to compensate whats shunt away by the hgh.
you don't have to take my word on it,research for youre self as much as possible is always the best option.

have to go now,talk to you later about this subject

-rodge

**gypsy3034** · 05-22-2005, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

i've talked about it with mallet and red baron 2 very knowledgable bros on this subject and they told me that the 25mcg we take is only to compensate whats shunt away by the hgh.
you don't have to take my word on it,research for youre self as much as possible is always the best option.

have to go now,talk to you later about this subject

-rodge

i have sent a messeage to red baron and mallet . i am hoping to here of them soon, i have read some of there posts, they seem very knowledgable guys on the subject. thanks rodge hope to here from u soon