HGH + Slin + IGF?

**goose** · 05-10-2006, 07:15 PM

All I can say is what I have seen,and two mates that I train with.All I say it`s a joke,but it does shed fat on a non restricted diet.I ran it on it`s own to see if this bitch does give you LBM for 45 days at 160mcg,I lost 2% BF and thats about it.DNP is cheaper and safer,and guess what great results.

**oswaldosalcedo** · 05-10-2006, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by pscarb

got to disagree with you here everyone reacts diffrently to IGF and i know plenty of guys who see impressive results with 60mcg per day i am one of them....although i do agree with not splitting the shot though the whole 60mcg should be taken PWO...

what a wisdom......................lol................... ..........

**Gear** · 05-10-2006, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

I lost 2% BF and thats about it.DNP is cheaper and safer,and guess what great results.

goose, sup bro, hope all is well.

I'll agree that DNP is cheaper, but I wouldn't say it's safer, no way bro.

-Gear

**G-Force** · 05-11-2006, 04:53 AM

well i have been away from the board for a couple of months - but this
thread has inspired me to come back more often

i have never seen a mod and a vet hate on each other like that

Goose u are spoling us with these links (more more)
and is that u in your avator - cos if it is u are freakin huge

Pinnacle if u dont get any muscle from IGF why do u use it?
just for the increased insulin sensitivity and fat loss i presume?
and why are u so angry? are u running tren and deca with no test?

i just ordered 3mg of IGF never tried it before
but i only paid $160 dollars for 3mg - which i thought was pretty good

**goose** · 05-11-2006, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Gear

goose, sup bro, hope all is well.

I'll agree that DNP is cheaper, but I wouldn't say it's safer, no way bro.

-Gear

As you know my mate,Technically speaking DNP has it`s dangers,but at least you know it`s DNP.We have had so many cases and I feel we are injecting an unknown substance that is Cheaply made in china,we don`t know it`s half-life,we are not sure what`s really in it,all this could harm your body in the long term...It`s all possible.With DNP if you understand how to use it and keep hydrated it`s just like slin,quite safe.In this game,just like the gear I get,I know exactly what I inject in my body,I can`t say this about IGF.Bottom line DNP is not Recommended when we have T3,clen and the best of all diet and cardio.

**Gear** · 05-11-2006, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

We have had so many cases and I feel we are injecting an unknown substance that is Cheaply made in china,we don`t know it`s half-life,we are not sure what`s really in it,all this could harm your body in the long term...It`s all possible.

Good point, I suppose it all comes down to trusting your source. Too much crap floating around these days.

-Gear

**pscarb** · 05-11-2006, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

My tone?I could care less if you disagree with me or anyonbe else.I want to know how you and you alone gained muscle on LR3?For every one peson you say you talked to that gained muscle on LR3 I bet I can triple that with experienced BBers that have not gained an ounce on LR3.Yo8u say you first used LR3 with anabolics.How do you know for certain LR3 caused growth?You had studies domne on yoiurself to know for sure LR3 triggered growth...I think not pal...you can peddle your bullshit all over if you want.I ain't buying your bullshit and many others aren't either....LR3 = growth..yeah right..lmfaooooooooooooo

Oh,and I've used a few different companies for LR3..you saying muscle-research is bunk?

LMFAO @ Dave Palumbo.

....and even more so at Rodge.

...both are pathetic jokes......

~Pinnacle~

you see you are talking but all i hear is BLAH BLAH BLAH.....

i don't see why you are so angry because someone doesn't agree with your point of view...you say you know of many guys who get nothing from IGF i say i know many who get lots from it so why do you think you are correct PAL???

And where did i say MR was Bunk i use IGF from MR all the time...

now go away and inject yourself with some more test because i don't think you are angry enough with the world...

**IBdmfkr** · 05-11-2006, 09:33 AM

Why keep contributing to the worthlessness of these bickering posts. Let's stay on topic and possibly learn something from this thread.

Turning into a Jay/BigBapper thread lol

**FranKieC** · 05-11-2006, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Why keep contributing to the worthlessness of these bickering posts. Let's stay on topic and possibly learn something from this thread.

Turning into a Jay/BigBapper thread lol

***SPIKE*** · 05-11-2006, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Turning into a Jay/BigBapper thread lol

, yea but we worked things out. Under certain circumstances it seems things will never be resolved.

Pscarb: I edited your post only to highlight what you wanted highlighted. You left something out, I just wanted to make it more "reader friendly." I didnt change anything you posted.

**pscarb** · 05-11-2006, 02:47 PM

ok mate no probs.....

**Pinnacle** · 05-11-2006, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by pscarb

you see you are talking but all i hear is BLAH BLAH BLAH.....

i don't see why you are so angry because someone doesn't agree with your point of view...you say you know of many guys who get nothing from IGF i say i know many who get lots from it so why do you think you are correct PAL???

And where did i say MR was Bunk i use IGF from MR all the time...

now go away and inject yourself with some more test because i don't think you are angry enough with the world...

Not angry at all with you PAl.I just think you are full of shit ,that's all.You haven't really any idea of the structure in whiuch LR3 is made up of,do you.It is not at all like huIGF-1.Now that gives growth.If LR3 caused growth wouldn't you think the FDA would have approved that as well as r IGf-1 for adolescent growth disorders?I've spoken in depth with gropep over this topic,and although they weren't willing to release to me studies they've done.They certainly know lR3 doesn't cause muscle growth.You get an up tick in glycogen retention while using LR3 IGF-1 that peson like yourself mistakes as muscle growth due to the fuller look of your muscle.A week or so after you discontinue use,you flatten out and start to gain back the Bf you lost while "on".

Is that enough blah blah blah for you ************?I might be a geroff/cocky /arogant but I'm very well researched/and even more so EXPERIENCED.You want to debate me,you better put on your thinking cap.I'll take you on with any debate you want...HGH..slin ...IGF....put up studies ect and don't talk out your mouth like some snotty fvkin Brit...got it?

Now go and inject some Test TINY MAN...god knows you can use some judging by your avatar.

~Pinnacle~

**pscarb** · 05-12-2006, 01:36 AM

There you go do you feel better now ooh great one....i can only wonder what it is like to be as great as you.....

now if you could post without the abuse you might be worth listening too....

**Pinnacle** · 05-12-2006, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by pscarb

There you go do you feel better now ooh great one....i can only wonder what it is like to be as great as you.....

now if you could post without the abuse you might be worth listening too....

I've allowed you to dance around my initial question long enough due to the fact that my time is quite limited to post on the board these days.I also allowed you to amuse yourself in an attempt to slander me.That's all well and fine.Doesn't bother nor upset me.Fact is,I'm like a piece of granite,cold as one at times,as well.I also have a tongue that is razor sharp,and takes no prisoners.My mouth has been called a Sacrophagus.This word derives from the Greek "sarx" meaning "flesh".And "phagein" meaning "to eat".I've spared you my wrath,so consider yourself fortunate at best.

Moving forward...it is now time for you to put aside all your hostile feelings towards me and answer these questions as I am now initiating a debate between you and I solely.This is your chance to shine among the members of this board.So read my questions carefully and I'll accept nothing less than an in depth explanation to my inquiry.

Question one is as follows.

1)You solely claimed you achieved muscle growth while running a dose of 60 mcgs ED of LR3 IGf-1.I believe you stated the growth equated to one pound?How did you come to the conclusion that LR3 IGF-1 was responsible for this muscle growth?What actual personal studies did you conduct to prove to yourself without a doubt,and form a totally unbaised opinion,that you actually did in fact produce one pound of actual muscle mass?Please do not use a skin fold test as one of the tools you used.We all know very well that is an extremely inaccurate device to measure BF.I expect nothing less than a very detailed account as to your findings.A submersion test would be one tool I can safely assume you used periodically through the cycle?I know my friends,and myself,used that as one of our tools to gauge whether we acquired any muscle mass while experimenting with LR3 IGF-1 at various doses and durations.

I'll give you ample time to gather all the notes you claimed to have kept and to post an intelligent/intellectual response.Then we will debate this topic and move onward to question number 2.

~Pinnacle~

**goose** · 05-12-2006, 10:48 AM

I just don`t understand how people think LR3 IGf-1 increases muscle,I guess it`s the increase in protein intake,I guess.Just like the weight you loose with IGF in the 4 weeks,the next 4 weeks it`s back on...For a cost of 500$,It`s only decent in a pre-contest tool.

**pscarb** · 05-12-2006, 11:23 AM

i have no hostile feeling towards you i think you will find from your very first post it is you who have the hostile attitude towards me..

as for answering your question like i have said i have noticed muscle gain from using IGF-1 how do i prove this ...i cannot tell you...there is one thing clear that you have a bone between your teeth and won't let it go and that is fair enough but like i have pointed out many times we are all different and we all have different results from substances...

now i am sure you will come back with that "razor sharp"tongue of yours and all those really big words from the books you read but all this does not alter the gains i and many others have seen whilst using IGF-1....

**IBdmfkr** · 05-12-2006, 11:33 AM

I'm sorry but I'll be the first to say that was a very non-convincing explanation to say the least. I too don't believe IGF-1 LR3 attributes to any LBM gains.

I don't get it pscarb, he asked how do you prove this and you says "i cannot tell you". Is that the best explanation you could come up with? What other compounds were being run with it.. what gains were kept? what was BF before/after? There are so many variables you could use in your defense and you simply say you couldn't tell us why you feel that way.. I don't get it.

**pscarb** · 05-12-2006, 11:39 AM

ok...
i ran it last year on its own with out any GH/SLin or AAS i was leaner and bigger after 50 days.
my BF% before was 14% after it was 11% my bodyweight was 196lbs before after it was 201lbs is this a better explanation for you but i am sure he will come back with a sarcastic comment of some sort...

**FranKieC** · 05-12-2006, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by pscarb

how do i prove this ...i cannot tell you... ...

**Pinnacle** · 05-12-2006, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by pscarb

as for answering your question like i have said i have noticed muscle gain from using IGF-1 how do i prove this ...i cannot tell you...there is one thing clear that you have a bone between your teeth and won't let it go and that is fair enough but like i have pointed out many times we are all different and we all have different results from substances...

now i am sure you will come back with that "razor sharp"tongue of yours and all those really big words from the books you read but all this does not alter the gains i and many others have seen whilst using IGF-1....

No ...I'm not about to get into a battle of the tongues with you as you've proven unworthy and can not provide the least bit of evidence from your own perspective that in fact LR3 IGF-1 actually caused hypertrophy with in your own body.It's one thing to form a biased opinion(something BBers are known to do),but on the other hand to come into a forum and state that something works incredibly well, and when asked to show some sort of personal evidence/proof,you back down.Maybe in the future you should state " I feel LR3 IGF-1 possibly caused a small amount of hypertrophy",not coming on this,or any other board making claims you can't/won't back up.After all,you did previously state you document EVERYTHING.So why all of a sudden the lack of documentation?

Care to answer another question since the first(question) has you at a loss for words? I promise this one will be substantially easier.

~Pinnacle~

**Pinnacle** · 05-12-2006, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by pscarb

ok...
i ran it last year on its own with out any GH/SLin or AAS i was leaner and bigger after 50 days.
my BF% before was 14% after it was 11% my bodyweight was 196lbs before after it was 201lbs is this a better explanation for you but i am sure he will come back with a sarcastic comment of some sort...

Read my post above..and NO,this response is less than adequate.You keep trying to slander me in a feable attempt to cover up your inadequate responses.I'm being rather civil here.I expect the same consideration from you as well.Now please answer the questions above and try to redeem some of your self-respect.If not from others,at least for your own well being.

~Pinnacle~

**goose** · 05-12-2006, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

I'm sorry but I'll be the first to say that was a very non-convincing explanation to say the least. I too don't believe IGF-1 LR3 attributes to any LBM gains.

I don't get it pscarb, he asked how do you prove this and you says "i cannot tell you". Is that the best explanation you could come up with? What other compounds were being run with it.. what gains were kept? what was BF before/after? There are so many variables you could use in your defense and you simply say you couldn't tell us why you feel that way.. I don't get it.

If I`m correct you just got some IGF from MR,what made you Purchase IGF knowing it gives no LBM? Thanks bro

**IBdmfkr** · 05-12-2006, 12:13 PM

I didn't take any from MR.. when I took it approx a year ago it was from OM.

A vet posting sources? LMAO...

U have PM goose.

**Big Bapper** · 05-12-2006, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Why keep contributing to the worthlessness of these bickering posts. Let's stay on topic and possibly learn something from this thread.

Turning into a Jay/BigBapper thread lol

Yea Bro that is sorted. A simple misunderstanding on my part turned quite nasty. Now Pcarb replied at the end of one of his post to Pinn with a

simile. The same simile Jay posted in the precontast thread you are talking about that I thought was ment to diss me I know now it was not directed to me or wat I said. Now Pcarb is from the UK and over here when you use a

simile that is ment to diss whoever the post is directed at in this case Pinn, but this time I think it was ment to diss Pinn. Wich I think is a bad move Pcarb.

By the way IBdmfkr unlike this tread the pre-contest thread was not WORTHLESS I think it gave a good view from both sides of the coin. Do you want a fight about it ?? Only j/k Bro. Mabe they should change the name of the site to comefightwithme.com.

**Ufa** · 05-12-2006, 12:20 PM

The Thread That Just Won't Die!

**IBdmfkr** · 05-12-2006, 12:22 PM

lol BigB.. I agree, I think the other thread was great. but I was sad to see you and Jay stop arguing as it was extremely entertaining! lmao

Pinn cracks me up too.. so I am loving this.. Popcorn anyone?

**Pinnacle** · 05-12-2006, 12:38 PM

What happen?Tony Blair let the air out of his tires?

I suppose it true,history does repeat itself.If anyone gets my drift in regards to the revolutionary war and British retreat

No offense intended "goose" my friend

~Pinnacle~

**Big Bapper** · 05-12-2006, 12:41 PM

A well me and Jay will live to fight another day............Hope not cause Jay is one smart dude.

**goose** · 05-12-2006, 12:45 PM

Well Mr Blair and Mr Bush have lied to us all.I do like that one American who will be the next MR Olympia after Ronnie....Branch Warren....he lifts heavy.

**GearIdentity** · 05-12-2006, 05:38 PM

Any opinions on LR3 combined with hgh and AAS or would you all consider LR3worthless alone and/or stacked in an attemp for synergistic effect?

***SPIKE*** · 05-13-2006, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Ufa

The Thread That Just Won't Die!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm should we lock it?

Originally Posted by Big Bapper

A well me and Jay will live to fight another day............Hope not cause Jay is one smart dude.

As you are too buddy, keep up the good work.

**oswaldosalcedo** · 05-13-2006, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by pscarb

i have no hostile feeling towards you i think you will find from your very first post it is you who have the hostile attitude towards me..

as for answering your question like i have said i have noticed muscle gain from using IGF-1 how do i prove this ...i cannot tell you...there is one thing clear that you have a bone between your teeth and won't let it go and that is fair enough but like i have pointed out many times we are all different and we all have different results from substances...

now i am sure you will come back with that "razor sharp"tongue of yours and all those really big words from the books you read but all this does not alter the gains i and many others have seen whilst using IGF-1....

by metaphysics ?

**goose** · 05-13-2006, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by oswaldosalcedo

by metaphysics ?

Ossie why do you think people think IGF makes muscle Grow? You was the first guy to say it was just a very expensive fat burner....

**oswaldosalcedo** · 05-13-2006, 09:49 AM

wishful thinking......
goz

BG · 05-13-2006, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

lol BigB.. I agree, I think the other thread was great. but I was sad to see you and Jay stop arguing as it was extremely entertaining! lmao

Pinn cracks me up too.. so I am loving this.. Popcorn anyone?

I love ot too, I look foward everyday to reading it, some very good info also added daily, and I love hearing Pinn be civilized, I know he's holding back sooo hard.

**Seattle Junk** · 05-13-2006, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by pscarb

cheers mate...you will love it i have a little 6yr old girl already and she is an angel it took 1 month for my missus to fall pregnant with Kiana and i was on cycle this time it took 15months and i had to come off for 11months to recover....but it made me really research PCT and i guess i have now found the best way for me to recover..

First of all Pinnacle does know his shit, he's a sharp guy. He has actually used about everything under the sun and at the correct or excessive

dosage. I've learned probably the most from him on this board. We have also exchanged emails as well. He is very dedicated to this sport and he means well. I tend to agree with Pinnacle on lr3 as not being a muscle builder by itself. I think it's good for retention and defiantley for glycogen uptake in the muscles, hence the great pumps. So lr3 is great with test as you know.

What is your PCT regime? I have been doing 500ius HCG eod the last 30-45 days of my cycle going by the size of my balls. If they start to shrink then I start HCG. But I usually don't let it get to that point. Then I use clomid and nolva in PCT. I just started doing my PCT correct over the past 2 cycles and it seems to be working good. Sex drive is good and balls aren't tiny...

**Pinnacle** · 05-13-2006, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Jayhova

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm should we lock it?

.

Why Jay?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh be bery,bery quiet...I'm still hunting wabbits

Bigguns101..I'm holding back more than you could ever know my man...lol...I've slaughtered 2 in this thread,so who's.......

NEXT...........

~Pinnacle~

**vitor** · 05-14-2006, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Why Jay?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh be bery,bery quiet...I'm still hunting wabbits

Bigguns101..I'm holding back more than you could ever know my man...lol...I've slaughtered 2 in this thread,so who's.......

NEXT...........

~Pinnacle~

LR3 IGF-1 Causes muscle-hypertrophy!!!!!!!!!!, and GH has to be run with T3 and
Insulin , to get anything out of it!!!!!!!!!!

I guess ime next, lol....

Naah, Ime yust kidding.........