Opinion Please! Jintropin vs. KeFei Blue Tops vs. Generic Brown Tops

**Forkin Luzr** · 05-25-2006, 07:22 PM

Ok, here's my dilemma. I take HGH as a lifestyle supplement. I've been taking Jintropin at about 2 I.U.'s a day. I give my wife about 1 I.U. a day. We're both close to 50, I'm a cardio buff, she has a disability which it has helped with following multiple surgeries. Overall, I'm pleased. Need to take a diuretic and a splash of T3 as part of a long term program, but it all balances out nicely.

So here's my dilemma. Time to reorder, and suddenly Jin doesn't seem to be the darling anymore on these boards. Thanks to the counsel and guidance of experienced members, I've been able to navigate to different places which can provide me with any one of the 3 aforementioned concotions.

Considering my dose, and goals, should I just stay with the Jin. I've heard raves about the KeFei, and the browns. I've heard they're both 191aa from reliable sources.

So, since some say the non-Jin is 30 to 50% stronger and 30 to 50% less in cost, it would appear it's about half the effective cost.

Now, if a few hundred dollars one way or another wasn't going to matter, and you wanted the best product for your buck, and you were not cycling, but rather a middle aged chronic user of this long term supplement, which would you choose based on your experience.

Please keep in mind, potency is important. I like the increased fat burning and muscle mass HGH has provided us, so I want the best stuff I can justify buying (high priced american brands are out). I would just go with the Jin, but a number of people think the Kefei Blue Tops are much better. Others say the Generic Browns are the bomb.

I defer to your expertise. I have never been disappointed with the collective wisdom of the members of this forum. Please advise. Thanks.

***JohnnyB*** · 05-25-2006, 09:00 PM

I'd stick with the Jino's, they are the only pharmaceutical company in china, that is licensed to make the 191aa sequence HGH. Now if that's changed I don't know, but to be on the safe sided, stay with Jino.

The whole anti-body thing scares me, I know that chances are it'll never happen, but since the word "chance" is in the equation, keeps me away. I didn't have much success with HGH, LR3 works better for me.

I do have low HGH/IGF-1 levels, so some day here, a Dr is going to give me a script. Once I get my script I'll get some HGH made in the USA or Jino's. Anything that has the possibility to be a 192aa sequence, is out for me. If something did happen, I'd hate myself for trying to save a couple of bucks, now I have anti-bodies to HGH.

I am 50 Bro, so at this age, I don't want to be taking the same type of chances I was taking in my youth

I paying for some of those now.

JohnnyB

**Forkin Luzr** · 05-25-2006, 10:12 PM

That's sage counsel, my friend. I'm leaning towards erring on the side of caution as well. A few hundred bucks isn't going to make a difference, an adverse health effect would. Oh, to be 25 an invincible again? Heh?

Anyway, thanks for the advice. I think tried and true is probably the way I will go. Appreciate it.

**Seattle Junk** · 05-26-2006, 05:12 AM

I'm going with brown tops after these 5 kits of Jin run out. I've just heard too many good things about the generics.

**elitezero** · 05-26-2006, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I'd stick with the Jino's, they are the only pharmaceutical company in china, that is licensed to make the 191aa sequence HGH. Now if that's changed I don't know, but to be on the safe sided, stay with Jino.

The whole anti-body thing scares me, I know that chances are it'll never happen, but since the word "chance" is in the equation, keeps me away. I didn't have much success with HGH, LR3 works better for me.

I do have low HGH/IGF-1 levels, so some day here, a Dr is going to give me a script. Once I get my script I'll get some HGH made in the USA or Jino's. Anything that has the possibility to be a 192aa sequence, is out for me. If something did happen, I'd hate myself for trying to save a couple of bucks, now I have anti-bodies to HGH.

I am 50 Bro, so at this age, I don't want to be taking the same type of chances I was taking in my youth

I paying for some of those now.

JohnnyB

wrong :--)

"I'd stick with the Jino's, they are the only pharmaceutical company in china, that is licensed to make the 191aa sequence HGH"

i hope you dont belive what you just said
*******and may more produce HGH (192aa....)

**rodge** · 05-26-2006, 12:51 PM

'my wife and i both use the blue tops after being switched from jino's. sides like cts came back even tho we were stil taking the same dose as with the jino's (2iu for her- 5iu for me).

-rodge

***JohnnyB*** · 05-26-2006, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by elitezero

wrong :--)

"I'd stick with the Jino's, they are the only pharmaceutical company in china, that is licensed to make the 191aa sequence HGH"

i hope you dont belive what you just said
ankebio.com and may more produce HGH (192aa....)

You lost me, you said, what I said was wrong, then you agreed with it.

Did you mean they (ankebio.com) are licensed, to use the method that makes the 191aa sequence HGH?

JohnnyB

**elitezero** · 05-26-2006, 05:43 PM

well im taking it right now but im dont really belive that they use 191aa
but i will see how it will work by the way do you have msn or icq ? i cant write pms i dont konw why

***JohnnyB*** · 05-27-2006, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by elitezero

well im taking it right now but im dont really belive that they use 191aa
but i will see how it will work by the way do you have msn or icq ? i cant write pms i dont konw why

You need 25 posts to use the pm option

JohnnyB

**Forkin Luzr** · 05-27-2006, 09:33 AM

Thank you all very much, the post on switching to the blue tops and getting sides you didn't get on Jin was most helpful. Johnny B's counsel on tried and true can not be overlooked. So Jin it is, and most probably shall remain.

BTW, I never really considered the Anke Bio stuff, more because of the 4 IU vials and refrigerated shipment requirements. The ongoing debate of 191 vs. 192aa on this brand is just icing on the "not an option" cake.

The KeFei blues and generic browns are both allegedly 191aa and come in 10 I.U. and 8 I.U. kits respectively. But again, the key word is allegedly.

Still, I'd hate to save $600 or $800 dollars on a years supply for my wife and I and then find out there were sides (especially for her, considering her needs following pelvic reconstruction and the necessity of new bone to re-form to the defects left).

You guys have come through for me again with counsel and advise the layman just couldn't find elsewhere. Thank You!

**rodge** · 05-27-2006, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Forkin Luzr

Thank you all very much, the post on switching to the blue tops and getting sides you didn't get on Jin was most helpful. !

it was'nt that we did'nt get those sides (cts) with jin cause we did, both when we started the jin but it subsided after a couple of weeks. but when we switched to the blue tops it came back on the same dose, so it seems that blue tops are stronger compaired to jino's iu per iu. it also disapeared after a couple weeks of usage. but its strange cause i was on jin for allready 9 months and my wife for 7 months.

-rodge

**Forkin Luzr** · 05-27-2006, 12:31 PM

Rodge, thanks for the clarification. I had heard the Blue Tops were more potent, and I know they're less expensive. So the sides you had were related to greater potency, not less purity, which is a good thing.

Is it your experience that they are 191aa and they will keep (refigerated and unconstituted) like Jin for 18 to 24 months? Thanks.

**jnx3k** · 05-27-2006, 01:57 PM

Ive tried both blue and browns so far. In my opinion, the browns seem a tad bit stronger(more sides). Some people claim the blues are 192, but ive yet to have a problem and have ran 3 kits so far of blues. No welts at injections sites. So far, I havent heard anyone saying that browns may be 192, so that may be a better option to go with if you have a way to get them.

**stayinstacked** · 05-27-2006, 03:00 PM

If you dont try those brown tops then your ****ing up big time, those suckers are the bomb, 5 iu of the browns are like taking 8 or 10iu's of other brands, and those blue tops are ****ing weak

**Forkin Luzr** · 05-27-2006, 04:25 PM

The longer this thread goes on, the more it seems that it's either Brown Tops, for potency and price, or Jin, for safety and surety. Everything else seems to get mixed reviews of varying degrees, including the KeFei Blues. Interesting. Thanks again to all who post their opinions and experiences.

**GearIdentity** · 05-27-2006, 05:20 PM

Brown tops are now branded I believe. They are called hygetropin, and have a license to produce 191aa hgh that I have seen. Ive been on brown tops, 8iu 5/2 for about 3 months now. No complaints.

***JohnnyB*** · 05-27-2006, 11:12 PM

Read this

http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=244692

JohnnyB

**Forkin Luzr** · 05-28-2006, 11:55 AM

OK, I've come full circle.

First, to the 191 vs. 192aa link. That's good info and makes physiologic sense. Personally, after 25 years in the medical field I've worked with all different types of devices and seen almost every imaginable surgery (no I'm not an M.D., I was on the vendor side). Anyway, we were always trying to optimize the bodies natural functions when we had to replace or correct a physiologic defect. At the end of the day, the "better mousetraps" we marketed often turned out to be worse. The bottom line is one should mimic the natural physiology whenever possible. So if the body produces 191aa HGH, does that mean it won't accept 192aa. Absolutely not. But, for me, if it produces 191aa naturally, then I want a 191aa supplement if I can get it.

Second, I'm not sure that a License to produce anything matters in China. The biggest problem US manufacturers have with that economy is that there are no teeth in any licensing or patent laws. Hell, most of the government's computers are running unlicensed MS Windows, generator companies are reverse engineering Honda power equipment and building clones, etc., etc. It's the wild west of manufacturing, so I don't believe that only licensed companies are making 191aa. Conversely, god only knows what some of them are cooking up, so at the end of the day that's another argument for a tried and true known entity.

Now to the really disappointing part for me. The KeFei's are out. Some people swear by them, some don't. I'm told they are 191aa and I believe that, but I am also told a small number of people develop red welts at the injection site (I think there are factors other than the amino acid sequence which can cause red welts, btw, so I'm not assuming that automatically makes something 192aa). I'd probably try them, but my wife would absolutely freak if she got the welts, and with her physical condition, I can't afford to have her refuse the HGH because of an injection site reaction.

The browns are out even though they get great reviews, almost universally. The source I was referred to by one of the members here (you know who you are and I want to thank you again!!!) does not ship into the left coast. In fact, there seems to be a growing concern about international shipments hitting La La land, and growing reluctance to attempt it, especially if one offers a reshipment guarantee.

As far as the Jin goes, I can go back to the Mother Ship, but one of my last 10 kits arrived damaged and unuseable. That's O.K. I sucked it up. But when I wrote asking what the protocol was regarding replacement (next order, whatever) I never got a response. Never. So I'm a little apprehensive about a 1000 I.U. shipment if everyone is so worried about international shipments into this State. What kind of response will I get if the whole thing gets "adopted" by my Uncle Sammy?

You know, I made a decent living in healthcare, but our Medical Industrial Complex has gone overboard. The "protections" offered Pharma, Insurance Companies, and M.D.'s to milk the general population are unbelievable. The restrictions and hoops to jump through for end users are just getting worse and worse.

So this isn't easy. But I shall not give up.

Anyway, to the most important point, thanks again for all your posts and comments. I don't know where else one could go to get this kind of real world collective wisdom on this subject. I truly appreciate your feedback and expertise.

**Whitey** · 05-28-2006, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Forkin Luzr

The longer this thread goes on, the more it seems that it's either Brown Tops, for potency and price, or Jin, for safety and surety. Everything else seems to get mixed reviews of varying degrees, including the KeFei Blues. Interesting. Thanks again to all who post their opinions and experiences.

I agree with this. Jin is a good call. If not the Jins, I'd go brown top, which I've had better experiences with than KFs. And when your source tells you his product is 192, not 191, and its 85-87% pure, then I think you can believe him. (even though KeiFei insists they are 191aa).

Good luck with whatever you choose.

**bambam** · 02-09-2007, 12:09 AM

it is a hard call now a days the blue tope are getting great feedback but if your looking to resell jins are the was to go.i mean when ive tried to sell some underground crap with bad labels or no labels would you want them?if they were for me the blue tops and i trusted the supplier ide be useing them.

**doghunter** · 02-09-2007, 09:36 AM

they are all just as good just some poeple are getting different results but i have gotten blues and browns and green tops even from china for people and they have all been the same . the thing that i found so funny is how much u put into a top that could be bought in any color and put on any vial and u base that on the product and how good it is and it has been that way for years on this board .i can tell u i have gotten many colors and its all been good stuff from what i can tell

**Ufa** · 02-09-2007, 10:17 AM

old thread

**Pluna6000** · 03-11-2007, 03:27 AM

Awhile back the jintropin HGH came with blue or green tops. They only come in yellow tops now due to counterfitting. Now there are special halograms etc.. So if someone is trying to sell you green or blue tops in Jintropin chances are they are out dated. Even call Gene-Sci it self or type in google for informational purposes only "HGH 2006 buyers guide by Dr. Minas" Soon to be 2007 buyer guide. I am not an expert but rely on the buyers guide at "hgh2006-info-buyers-guide.com" web site for info/educational purposes.