jintropin/good to the last drop-a question

**breacherup** · 07-23-2006, 08:44 PM

does anyone have a suggestion on how to get that last little bit out of the vial?

**vermin** · 07-24-2006, 12:24 AM

Heh - always a problem. Between what's in a vial, and what sticks to the pin (the difference between TC - "to contain" and TD - "to deliver") you find threads suggesting you need as much as 20% over to get your full schedule worth.

Beyond that, if anyone has some fancy tricks I'd love to know 'em.

**Ufa** · 07-24-2006, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by vermin

Heh - always a problem. Between what's in a vial, and what sticks to the pin (the difference between TC - "to contain" and TD - "to deliver") you find threads suggesting you need as much as 20% over to get your full schedule worth.

Beyond that, if anyone has some fancy tricks I'd love to know 'em.

What kink of syringe are you using. With insulin syringe I get every drop.

**Ejuicer** · 07-24-2006, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by breacherup

does anyone have a suggestion on how to get that last little bit out of the vial?

Angle the pin in the stopper and tilt the vial. There isn't any real special tricks.

**spicyer** · 07-24-2006, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Ejuicer

Angle the pin in the stopper and tilt the vial. There isn't any real special tricks.

Doing this I feel that I get 99% of the hgh out of the vial, also make sure pin is just through stopper. After years of experience it comes naturally.

**vermin** · 07-24-2006, 10:07 AM

On an 18IU (6g) vial I get 14.5-15IU delivered. With the barest tip of the pin through the top and the vial inverted I still leave a good bit behind, uncollectable. I have even gone to 2X dilutions to reduct the amount of HGH in the bit left over (since it is about the same volume no matter what).

**Ufa** · 07-24-2006, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by vermin

On an 18IU (6g) vial I get 14.5-15IU delivered. With the barest tip of the pin through the top and the vial inverted I still leave a good bit behind, uncollectable. I have even gone to 2X dilutions to reduct the amount of HGH in the bit left over (since it is about the same volume no matter what).

You are using the wrong syringe. you should be using a flat head. In other
words use a syringe where the needle does not come off. That is called
the foot. The foot will wast tons of GH. With a flat head (insulin ) syringe
the stopped goes all the way to the needle.

Hope you are not talking about leaving 3 IU's in the vial.

**vermin** · 07-24-2006, 11:45 AM

Those are the syringes I have, thoguh I have never heard them called that - works the same for either the 50IUs I got from my Dr. or the 100IUs I got from AR, both insulin pins with fixed needles. I can't say how much is in the vial, since I can't get it out to measure it, but yes, basically, it is mostly wasted in the vial because I can't get to it. You really can't see it much when the vial is inverted - it sort of "melds" in with the rubber stopper, presumably why the pin can't get it - but when I right the vial again there it is....

**MorganKane** · 07-24-2006, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by vermin

On an 18IU (6g) vial I get 14.5-15IU delivered. With the barest tip of the pin through the top and the vial inverted I still leave a good bit behind, uncollectable. I have even gone to 2X dilutions to reduct the amount of HGH in the bit left over (since it is about the same volume no matter what).

On 100iu (10iu mixed with 1cc) I get probably 98iu out.
The last shot usually leaves me a little short but not by much.

I contribute that to pulling out a little too much on the previous shots.
When I turn the vial over after drawing the last shot I can not see any fluid run back.

**Ufa** · 07-24-2006, 02:57 PM

OK when you are down to the last part try inserting the needle just past the
seal. In other words don't put it in all the way. On GH bottles you have
a piece sliced away. You can see needle. Well, I guess you can't, so pull back on stopper an pull needle out slow. You can put needle back in a pull
more fluid out. Remember every time you put needle in it gets duller.

**Teabagger** · 07-24-2006, 03:27 PM

Try injecting air in the vial for a pressure overload. Then when the pin barely penetrates the stopper, the fluid will find the exit...straight into the needle.

**vermin** · 07-24-2006, 03:44 PM

Yeah, as I have been learning I have been changing how I inject air. I have realized that prior to adding the BW I could add nearly 6-8ML of air to even out the pressure - before when I went to add the BW as soon as I passed the seal the BW just shot into the vial. Also, the stopper sort of pulled into the vial, somewhat away from the glass so there was a space between the glass and the rubber where some the the HGH would go, unavailable to the needle.

I am hoping that with more pressure in the vial and my double-dilution method I will get more of the meds out of the vial.

**IFIWAS** · 07-28-2006, 08:49 AM

Ever tore the top off and sucked it ALL out.....lol

**Seattle Junk** · 07-28-2006, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Teabagger

Try injecting air in the vial for a pressure overload. Then when the pin barely penetrates the stopper, the fluid will find the exit...straight into the needle.

Ahhh, that's good advice... I always take the pressure out of the vial when cracking open a new 10iu vial. Just put another cc or 2 back in on the last shot..thx