IGF and Heart

**ridedivefx** · 05-10-2007, 09:45 AM

Has any read or know if IGF also effects or grows the heart. I have been trying to search on this but not found anything. Maybe this will not show right away but down the road you find you have enlarged heart....I have no idea on this and reading on one of the other board, one of the pro BB swears by the fact the IGF is poison and enlarges the heart and to stay away from it

Any comments on this

**GrimmReaper** · 05-10-2007, 10:18 AM

I heard that it enlarges your heart by making it work harder.....

**ridedivefx** · 05-10-2007, 11:02 AM

So this is bad news then? and heart enlargement is temp or perm..., are there any studies done on this?

Is it ok to place the link where I read this - rules check

**ridedivefx** · 05-10-2007, 10:38 PM

Here is the link that I saw on ************ forum where King Kamali comments that igf is poison

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...?t=21300&page=6

your views

comments? any one

***xxx*** · 05-11-2007, 01:48 AM

the link doesn t work!

***xxx*** · 05-11-2007, 01:48 AM

the link doesn t work!

**ridedivefx** · 05-11-2007, 10:01 AM

sorry about that

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/fo...t=21300&page=6

Look at post#116 towards the end or search for IGF on that page and it will take you right to his comment

**Typer** · 05-11-2007, 11:51 AM

The question is why he thinks it's a poison?

I would like to take it in next year but still looking for all possible info about it.

**fossilfuel7** · 05-12-2007, 03:18 AM

I would be intersted to hear why he says that also(about IGF).

**ginkobulloba** · 05-12-2007, 05:02 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't King Kamali a douche bag? I don't know the guy, but he's got a reputation as being a dumb ass. This is the first I've heard of someone saying IGF-1 is poison and people will be dropping dead from it in the near future. That's all he says, doesn't offer anything beyond that.

**fossilfuel7** · 05-12-2007, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by ginkobulloba

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't King Kamali a douche bag? I don't know the guy, but he's got a reputation as being a dumb ass. This is the first I've heard of someone saying IGF-1 is poison and people will be dropping dead from it in the near future. That's all he says, doesn't offer anything beyond that.

i agree..this is the first I have ever heard that. I don't know the guy..but he says nothing about GH at all except that it's used for fatloss and recovery..yet IGF is poison?

Whatever man!

**Lion King** · 05-12-2007, 09:59 AM

Left vetricular hypertrophy. Just using AAS can cause LVH. Hell, doing heavy cardio can cause LVH over years. High blood pressure also causes LVH.
Why are you so worried about it. Do you have a history?

**ridedivefx** · 05-14-2007, 10:14 PM

Lion - No I don't have any history but just trying to grasp as much info about it as I can before I use. My uncle is a heart surgeon and an enlarged heart is bad news. The reason I am concerned if IGF creates new cells, then the heart enlargement would be permanent and long down the road it might come back to haunt us. Of course I don't have any prove of this but just getting opinions from users and more knowledgeable people than me on IGF LR3

ginkobulloba - Not very sure bout kamali's rep but the other board seem to worship him, then again it could just be his promoters/people

**NewBreed** · 05-16-2007, 09:34 PM

the type of enlargement is important to connote if it´s bad or not.

a LVH isbad aslightlyx thicker intermedia isnßt that bad and steroids doensßt do much to the heart, as well as IGF.. only thing i´ve read about IGF was that IGF reduces ischaemic damage in rat model, as well as other growth factors like Epo and HGH and GH-releasing peptides in a very effective manner and in man, as well as IGF directly reduces blood pressure by modifiying the endothelium and giving the heart a positive inotropic effect (higher output under similar conditions).