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07-18-2007, 01:07 PM #1English Rudeboy
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Whats the highest GH dose you've run and what were the results?
Like the title says, I wanna hear if you've run 10iu ed and above, what type of GH, how long you ran it, how you timed the injections, what other compounds were run i.e. slin, thyroid meds, AAS, how the sides were and what were your gains like.....
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07-19-2007, 12:14 AM #2English Rudeboy
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So I guess no one has run 10iu or above
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Well, I've done 6 ius a day for 6 months with some decent results. It gave me that whole tapered v-back and I was surprised at my own back shot after I was done cutting! I have to attribute it to gh cuz I tried 3 cycles prior on AAS alone but got only thickness/size but not the coveted v-shape
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07-19-2007, 02:13 AM #4
Since no one is jumping in here, I will throw my two-bits in NotSmall. I have ran it several times at respectable doses. While I have ran some pretty wild doses for experimental purposes, and some pretty bizarre timing schedules for the same, here are a couple of for instances with cycles of normal length and not merely for experimentation.
Jintropin - 12 IU's - 8 month cycle - 5/2
4am - 4 IU's subQ
9am - 4 IU's subQ
1:30pm - 4 IU's subQ
Genotropin - 7.8 IU's day - 9 months
2:45am - 3 IU's
7:30am - 2.4 IU's
1:00pm - 2.4 IU's
To get a picture of what it looked like in concert with other cycle items, here was what my last cycle (and probably really the last for me) looked like. I have also ran pretty much the same cycle with 12 IU's of Jintropin and no LR3. I will also on occasion cycle T3 or T4 into the equation, but not every time and every cycle . At any rate, here is what a plan might look like (at least for me). I know several other folks with more than a few cycles under their belt that run in a very similar manner as well -
1-23 Test Cyp 700mg/wk (800mg/wk on 16-23)
1-8 Deca at 400mg/wk (200mg/wk 9-20)
1-4, 24-27 Test Prop at 75mg/day
9-20 Tren Enanthate at 500mg/wk
9-20 EQ at 600mg/wk
Genotropin mini-quicks HGH 6IU's/day 5 on/ 2off (3IU's 5am, 3IU's 12:00 pm).
Gropep LR3 IGF-1 100 mcg/day ED PWO (2:00pm) ( on 5 weeks / off 5 weeks rotating throughout the cycle.
Humalog 12IU's workout days only PWO (2:00pm) rotating 5 weeks on / 5 weeks off throughout (opposing weeks with LR3 IGF-1).
15-27 Proviron 100mg/day
23-26 HCG 500IU's every 4 days
27-31 Clomid 100mg/day
1-31 Arimidex .25mg/day
1-27 Nolvadex 10mg/day, 28-32 20mg/day
1-31 B6 200mg/day
1-31 B12 500mcg/day
Also, this last time I did have to run AvandaMet (2mg Avandia - 1000 mg Metformin) for three months in order to keep my BG levels in check. My a1c was pretty impressive at one point, though I got it reeled back in.Last edited by RedBaron; 07-19-2007 at 02:20 AM.
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07-19-2007, 02:22 AM #5English Rudeboy
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Thanks RB - you are the man!
The reason I'm asking is 'cause I'm thinking of running a 4 week cycle of prop, NPP & dbol and want to throw in some upper end GH dosing, I'm thinking...
Test Prop 100mg ed
NPP 100mg ed
Dbol 40mg ed
5ius jin + 6ius humalog am ed
10ius jin + 12ius humalog PWO eod
100mcg T4 ed
50mcg T3 ed
.5mg Anastrozole ed
I also have 2mg of peg MGF lying around which I will probably throw in somewhere even though I am not convinced that it really does anything...
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07-19-2007, 02:47 AM #6Originally Posted by NotSmall
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07-19-2007, 08:00 AM #7English Rudeboy
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Originally Posted by RedBaron
5ius jin + 6ius humalog in the am
Workout days (all even days)
5ius jin + 6ius humalog in the am
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10ius jin + 12ius humalog PWO
So yes a total of 15ius jin and 18ius humalog on workout days.
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07-19-2007, 04:05 PM #8New Member
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RB, what kinda results did you get from the above mentioned cycles? Do you feel going over 10iu's has any major benefits?
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07-19-2007, 08:42 PM #9
I went up from 6 to 10iu's of gh blue tops for the past month looking for some muscle growth and didn't see any major difference so I'm probably going back to 5 or 6iu's a day.
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07-24-2007, 01:59 PM #10English Rudeboy
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BUMP for RB!
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07-24-2007, 11:31 PM #11Originally Posted by NotSmall
The only potential pitfalls I can see are that your diet will have to be EXTREMELY clean running insulin multiple times through the day (to keep from putting on some fat), and taking a 10 IU hit of Jin PWO may lead to some pretty healthy CTS and joint pain. I know when I put the single inject doses up there I start feeling it ... not crippling, but none to pleasant to be sure. You may end up splitting up the 10 IU's a bit to keep the bloat and joint pain in check, but other than that you are probably in for a healthy bit of growth ... both during the cycle and down the road as you new found muscle cells mature.
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07-25-2007, 12:12 AM #12English Rudeboy
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Originally Posted by RedBaron
I started the morning dose on sunday morning and after 3 days I already feel thicker and fuller, I have been shooting the 10iu jin & 12iu huma for a few months now and haven't had much CTS type symptoms at all, some of the boys at UKiron maintain that using slin with their GH considerably reduces CTS sides - you should pop in their if you get a spare 5 mins RB, there have been some interesting discussions there recently that I'm sure you could contribute to!
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07-25-2007, 12:12 AM #13Originally Posted by Bigshred
I don't feel in most instances that going over 10 IU's is a great idea or that it hold any magical benefits. With that being said though, for mature bodybuilders who have pretty much reached their maximum size, it is most certainly a way to get those last few critical pounds that make the difference in a pro physique and an amateur one. While it is not going to be responsible for massive growth like some of the more popular AAS's, it will add a few pounds here and there that will defy what the scale tells you.
In most cases a few units of HGH will help you heal, help you stay lean, and will provide several general health benefits. In the usual doses of 5-6 IU's, you will get some pretty good shuttling of nutrients to the muscles, some elevation of growth factors, and over time some modest growth in conjunction with your other cycle components. If you have already exhausted these avenues though, the higher doses will certainly make things happen over time ... but even then not overnight ... sooner than later though.
Using HGH and Insulin together provided a super-feeding of the muscle tissue being torn down, and thus provided an immediate benefit, but that combination also elevated growth factors to a pretty astronomical degree. That ended up equating to some new muscle cells ... exactly what the doctor ordered when you have already maximized the size of all of your current ones. The cycles mentioned above helped I believe after the fact in letting me continue to grow.
While I certainly wouldn't suggest this type of protocol for every situation, used in the right place at the right time in my experience (and some other pretty successful BB's as well) it will certainly get those last few quality pounds. By all means exhaust the cheaper and more traditional routes first ... reserve more complex cycles and higher dose peptides for when the are needed and called for.
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07-25-2007, 12:21 AM #14Originally Posted by NotSmall
I would just spot check your BG levels as you go along the way. Since a good amount of insulin is in the equation, I would suspect there isn't going to be much of an issue, but then again we are talking some seriously respectable doses of HGH. Just check it first thing in the morning every once in a while and maybe the occasional afternoon/evening check just to make sure it isn't getting away from you.
I have heard some discussions on HGH/Insulin with respect to CTS as well, but it doesn't pan out for me for whatever reason. I have also heard of some people getting some relief with use of niacin, and some other supplements as well. As soon as I get some time to just play, I am going to experiment with some of these ideas and see how they pan out.
I will try to pop over and see if I can talk with the UK guys. I think I was having server problems for a while and couldn't link up ... I will give it another go though. I always love to talk new ideas about peptides and strategies and the like ... always great fun!Last edited by RedBaron; 07-25-2007 at 12:26 AM.
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07-25-2007, 01:32 AM #15English Rudeboy
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Originally Posted by RedBaron
Ukiron is on a new server now at www.ukiron.net and is alot faster, see you there mate!
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07-25-2007, 01:23 PM #16New Member
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Great info as usual RB. Thanks bro!
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07-25-2007, 10:48 PM #17
great post! great post!
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07-26-2007, 06:08 PM #18
am running 10iu workout days and 5iu on non workout daysmate with a very healthy cycle running with it...............................
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07-27-2007, 02:07 AM #19English Rudeboy
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Originally Posted by Booz
Any slin with it?
How are you liking the results?
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07-27-2007, 07:55 AM #20Originally Posted by NotSmall
my body seems to be changing getting leaner and more muscular but im on a cycle aswell so that obv helps,i am experiencing some nausia on occassion on the days of using 10iu,wether that is to do with the hgh or because ive just upped my tren dose only time will tell............................_____________________
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07-27-2007, 09:14 AM #21English Rudeboy
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Originally Posted by Booz
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07-27-2007, 11:07 AM #22Anabolic Member
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Ime on my first GH run now and ime currenty using 8iu on workout days, and seeing good results with this,(combined with AAS.) Recovery from workouts are noticable better aswell. But ime starting to get CTS and joint pain so I might need to lower the dose somewhat.
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07-27-2007, 11:39 AM #23New Member
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Booz (or anyone who has used both)-
Which GH do you prefer, hyge or blue tops? I have alway ran Jins, but am thinking of switching to hyge or blue tops.
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07-27-2007, 12:28 PM #24English Rudeboy
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Originally Posted by Bigshred
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07-27-2007, 04:49 PM #25Originally Posted by NotSmall
will leave all that crap for my mates,seein them go hypo is enuff............._____________________
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07-27-2007, 04:50 PM #26Originally Posted by Bigshred_____________________
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07-27-2007, 04:52 PM #27
Listen to you UK guys talkin about Jin's like they're so easy to come by.
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07-29-2007, 03:15 PM #28
i have gone up to 12 iu's ed hgh but didnt stick it for too long
elbows hurt alot - and i found myself getting out of breath just walking to the gym
8 - 10iu's works well for me
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07-29-2007, 03:54 PM #29Originally Posted by jerseyboy_____________________
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07-29-2007, 07:06 PM #30Originally Posted by Booz
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07-29-2007, 09:13 PM #31Anabolic Member
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how many i.u.s must you use to get facial bone growth like priest, cutler and jackson? not that i would want that lol
im novice to gh and related. i thought over 8 ius was danger zone. oh,
and intestinal growth as well.
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07-30-2007, 02:37 AM #32Originally Posted by jerseyboy_____________________
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