CJC-1295 3 times more potent than 12-15 I.U's of rHGH?

[RSNUK]

Okay, so if we use IGF-1 levels as a marker, for how potent any GH related compounds are, comparison becomes possible?

Ideally GH should be measured and used for comparison, but supposedly this is not possible for some reason?

Okay so we measure IGF-1 responce

Here's an exmaple:

HGH:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/86/4/1731

Supraphysiological doses of rHGH(0.15 I.U/KG/Day(For a 80-100 KG male 12-15 I.U per day approx), resulted in a doubling of IGF, or 1-fold increase.

CJC:

http://www.ibeforums.com/portal/foru...light=cjc-1295

"Various experiments have been conducted to test the effectiveness of CJC-1295 in vivo and the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism has reported dose-dependent increases in mean plasma GH concentrations by 2-10 fold for more than 6 days and increased IGF-1 concentrations 1.5-3 fold for 9-11 days after a single injection!"

Have i made an error here or does this mean that CJC is a hell of a lot more effective than rHGH?

[Nickster#1]

Whats your question?

[RSNUK]

Have i made an error here or does this mean that CJC is a hell of a lot more effective than rHGH?

Was the last line of my first post...

[goin on 4T]

How much do you value your life?
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[RSNUK]

How much do you value your life?
That is the real question!
http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/2CA4F...5AFEE3FDEA.asp

He/she had aids lol and it's a 1/192 chance on top of that, the way i look at death is, if i die, i'll be dead, thus i ain't gonna be all that bothered lol.

Still no answer to my original question...

[RSNUK]

Can someone point out to me my error or am i correct in saying CJC would be alot more potent than rHGH?

[TexSavant]

How much do you value your life?
That is the real question!
http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/2CA4F...5AFEE3FDEA.asp

If you go to http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00267527?order=1 you will see that the study finished enrolling individuals and then was completed two months after that story was written. They had to have determined that cjc-1295 was not the culprit if they were allowed to continue the study.

The story was July 2006 and the study was completed in September of that year.

[sphincter]

Can someone point out to me my error or am i correct in saying CJC would be alot more potent than rHGH?

that seems to be a reasonable conclusion based solely on the info you provided and using only IGF response as a metric. I believe, however, that HGH has more positive properties beyong simply raising IGF1 levels, otherwise, there'd be no point in using GH and everyone would only use IGF1.

[TexSavant]

True sphincter, its action is much broader than that of IGF. IGF is thought to be mainly resposible for muscle growth. HGH is a large and complex peptide. Some parts of which are responsible for increased lipolysis (i.e. frag 176-191).

[RSNUK]

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[RSNUK]

that seems to be a reasonable conclusion based solely on the info you provided and using only IGF response as a metric. I believe, however, that HGH has more positive properties beyong simply raising IGF1 levels, otherwise, there'd be no point in using GH and everyone would only use IGF1.

What the cock and balls are you talking about?

"Various experiments have been conducted to test the effectiveness of CJC-1295 in vivo and the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism has reported dose-dependent increases in mean plasma GH concentrations by 2-10 fold for more than 6 days and increased IGF-1 concentrations 1.5-3 fold for 9-11 days after a single injection!"

Gh was increased by 2-10 fold.

It still increased HGH, It increased HGH to a level of greater effect than 12-15 I.U's of rHGH for a period of time hundreds of times greater (rHGH is only active for 20 minutes, CJC is active for 10 days)

Therefore CJC produced more Bioactive HGH than 12-15 I.U' of rHGH(by a hell of alot)