Just got my igf from AR!!!

**legobricks** · 12-22-2007, 02:57 PM

It comes with the igf, sodium chloride and a 10ml sterile vial. To reconstitute, i slowly drip 10mls of the sodium chloride down the side of the igf vial. Then transfer it all once dissolved into the 10ml sterile vial? Or would it be best to dissolve the IGF in 1ml of sodium chloride and the transfer that to the 10ml sterile vial and add the rest of the sodium chloride? Help please?

**Chuck_R** · 12-22-2007, 03:49 PM

Bump for answer

**legobricks** · 12-22-2007, 03:50 PM

bump again!

**legobricks** · 12-22-2007, 03:55 PM

Also, should i drink my protein/high carb shake immediatley after my workout then 30-45 mins. after the workout pin with the IGF?

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-22-2007, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by legobricks

It comes with the igf, sodium chloride and a 10ml sterile vial. To reconstitute, i slowly drip 10mls of the sodium chloride down the side of the igf vial. Then transfer it all once dissolved into the 10ml sterile vial? Or would it be best to dissolve the IGF in 1ml of sodium chloride and the transfer that to the 10ml sterile vial and add the rest of the sodium chloride? Help please?

horse a peice, seems to me your describing the exact same thing.Just a slightly different process.Whatever you find easier to get all the igf dissovled in the chloride

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-22-2007, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by legobricks

Also, should i drink my protein/high carb shake immediatley after my workout then 30-45 mins. after the workout pin with the IGF?

pin with igf first, then your shake to help combat any hypoglycemic effects.

**legobricks** · 12-22-2007, 06:19 PM

Thanks jonny

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-23-2007, 03:41 AM

lego,
Dont thank me thank Gear and other members who pass on this info.So we can excel safely and effectively!Merry Christmas !!!!!!!!!

**Nickster#1** · 12-23-2007, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by legobricks

It comes with the igf, sodium chloride and a 10ml sterile vial. To reconstitute, i slowly drip 10mls of the sodium chloride down the side of the igf vial. Then transfer it all once dissolved into the 10ml sterile vial? Or would it be best to dissolve the IGF in 1ml of sodium chloride and the transfer that to the 10ml sterile vial and add the rest of the sodium chloride? Help please?

I thought that you recostitute igf with acetic acid first, and then 1 to 1 with the soium chloride............??After each WO, site specific to the muscle group you just worked?

**Big** · 12-23-2007, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Nickster#1

I thought that you recostitute igf with acetic acid first, and then 1 to 1 with the soium chloride............??After each WO, site specific to the muscle group you just worked?

according to lion, constitution can be done with just the sodium chloride solution that comes with the igf, but it's only good for about a month refrigerated. Being that the quantity doesn't last quite a month at the average dosage, that's what I chose to do.
I inject immediately post work out in the muscle just worked. Thanks to Gear and Lion for answering my questions to keep me on the right track.

**Nickster#1** · 12-23-2007, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ima******ger

according to lion, constitution can be done with just the sodium chloride solution that comes with the igf, but it's only good for about a month refrigerated. Being that the quantity doesn't last quite a month at the average dosage, that's what I chose to do.
I inject immediately post work out in the muscle just worked. Thanks to Gear and Lion for answering my questions to keep me on the right track.

So why the acetic acid? does it keep it from losing potency, meaning keeping it in the fridge longer than a month if need be? The acetic acid, even when cut 1/1 with sodium chloride stings like a mofo............

**Big** · 12-23-2007, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Nickster#1

So why the acetic acid? does it keep it from losing potency, meaning keeping it in the fridge longer than a month if need be? The acetic acid, even when cut 1/1 with sodium chloride stings like a mofo............

My understanding is that would allow it to be stored longer than a month if you were to constitute a large amount. For just a month's supply I don't think there would be an advantage to using acetic acid.

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-23-2007, 12:42 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^beat me to it

**plzr8** · 12-23-2007, 01:25 PM

also when suppliers send pre-reconstituted solutions....AA can preserve the igf for 1+ years

**legobricks** · 12-24-2007, 12:40 AM

Well thank you Gear and everyone else! Hahah yeah those guys are pretty knowledge. One question tho and it may seem dumb but is sodium chloride and Bacteristic Water the same thing? I got BW wiht my IGF from Lion and already reconstituted it then put it in the fridge for my inject tommorow after the gym. Hopefully itll be good to go, I beleive it is tho do to the PH buffer used (BA) Bump for answers tho, hopefully i didnt use the wrong stuff or imma be real pissed at myself!

And Merry Christmas to you to Jonny!

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-24-2007, 12:52 AM

If all you ordered was IGF than it should have came with sodium chloride.Check the bottle.Bacteristic and sodium chloride are not the same thing to my knowledge.BW is supposed to downgrade igf in 4 days.

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-24-2007, 12:54 AM

If this is what you did you may be able to ad AA to the mix to extend the life.Thats your only hope, but if you used what lion gave you it should be chloride.Merry christmas to you, hope it all works out!

**legobricks** · 12-24-2007, 12:57 AM

This sucks.

**legobricks** · 12-24-2007, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by Jonnycerious

If this is what you did you may be able to ad AA to the mix to extend the life.Thats your only hope, but if you used what lion gave you it should be chloride.Merry christmas to you, hope it all works out!

I dont have any AA. I know you can make it (1 part distilled white vinegar to 7 parts distilled water????) run through a whatman filter and add BA to the mix? I have a BA and BB mix from a kit I purchase a while back will that work? And I already have 10ml of BW in the igf so how many mls of AA would I use?

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-24-2007, 01:06 AM

lego relax......email lion and make sure that bw is not an ok buffer for igf.If not than request more based on the fact that the wrong solution was sent......and do some research about bw recon, the 4 days thing is something I read here but somtimes research companies no more than forums..........All is not lost continue with your injection tommorrow.Im sure we can figure something out.

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-24-2007, 01:12 AM

according to these profile the ph is almost indentical so maybe lion knows you can recon with both.One thing is for certain you will figure this out and its not worth stressing over

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP is a sterile, nonpyrogenic preparation of water for injection containing 0.9% (9 mg/mL) of benzyl alcohol added as a bacteriostatic preservative. It is supplied in a multiple-dose container from which repeated withdrawals may be made to dilute or dissolve drugs for injection. The pH is 5.7 (4.5 to 7.0).

0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP is a sterile, nonpyrogenic, isotonic solution of sodium chloride and water for injection. Each mL contains sodium chloride 9 mg. It contains no bacteriostat, antimicrobial agent or added buffer and is supplied to dilute or dissolve drugs for injection. 0.308 mOsmol/mL (calc.). The solution may contain hydrochloric acid and/or sodium hydroxide for pH adjustment. pH 5.3 (4.5 to 7.0).

**legobricks** · 12-24-2007, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Jonnycerious

lego relax......email lion and make sure that bw is not an ok buffer for igf.If not than request more based on the fact that the wrong solution was sent......and do some research about bw recon, the 4 days thing is something I read here but somtimes research companies no more than forums..........All is not lost continue with your injection tommorrow.Im sure we can figure something out.

Thanx Johnny, yeah bro im just so stoked to start this and hopefully its not screwed up. Anyways, im going to try to make some AA tommorow. All the threads i searched for say BW downregulates in 24-48 hours, 4 days, etc... lots of dif. info out there. I sent Lion a PM and told him that it was sent with BW and no instructions. I already knew how to recon it but didnt even realize that it was BW and not sodium chloride. At the moment I have no money for more so I will start the inject tommorow and see what happens, hopefully lion is feeling generous during the holidays IF this is not ok to recon it with.

**legobricks** · 12-24-2007, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Jonnycerious

according to these profile the ph is almost indentical so maybe lion knows you can recon with both.One thing is for certain you will figure this out and its not worth stressing over

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP is a sterile, nonpyrogenic preparation of water for injection containing 0.9% (9 mg/mL) of benzyl alcohol added as a bacteriostatic preservative. It is supplied in a multiple-dose container from which repeated withdrawals may be made to dilute or dissolve drugs for injection. The pH is 5.7 (4.5 to 7.0).

0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP is a sterile, nonpyrogenic, isotonic solution of sodium chloride and water for injection. Each mL contains sodium chloride 9 mg. It contains no bacteriostat, antimicrobial agent or added buffer and is supplied to dilute or dissolve drugs for injection. 0.308 mOsmol/mL (calc.). The solution may contain hydrochloric acid and/or sodium hydroxide for pH adjustment. pH 5.3 (4.5 to 7.0).

Yeah you are right Jonny, thanx a lot bud for kind of calming me down. I know there is not much I can do and should have realized it earlier but who knows maybe you can use it. Isnt BA added as a PH buffer as well, not only as a bacteriostat? Its just so sad tho! But ill wait for Lion to PM back and hopefully this can be straightened up.

**legobricks** · 12-24-2007, 04:28 PM

WEll still no reply from Lion so im still waiting to hear if BW is ok to use or not. did my first inject todays, felt a bit hypo but it could have been from working out and using the noxplode during workout. Hmmm other then that all was fine. Im going to email Ar-r to find out what is going on here if it is ok, or if I should request another order due to being sent with the wrong solution. I still will order form Ar-r in future buys so im not mad or anything, just a little dissapointed with this order.

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-24-2007, 05:02 PM

lego, Im going to email my peptide company and see what they recommend.They have no dog in this fight.So the answer should not be bias.Well see if we get any response tonight

**legobricks** · 12-24-2007, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnycerious

lego, Im going to email my peptide company and see what they recommend.They have no dog in this fight.So the answer should not be bias.Well see if we get any response tonight

Thanks bro! Also, i do not have any AA right now, would it be wise to make some up tonight and add it to the solution? that would put it (since i did 50mcg shot today) at 9.5ml left in the vial. Would you happen to know how much AA I could use? Also, distilled water, or can i use the BW? So confusing. Thanks for stickin with me! Im sure once lion is back online (probably spending christmas with the family) he will be able to straighten this out. He seemed stoked that I was going to use it and to post my results cus apparenly he hasnt used it yet.

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-25-2007, 02:00 AM

My peptide maker said to add 6mls of AA right away.Use distilled water to make it.Do you have a filter?

**plzr8** · 12-25-2007, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Jonnycerious

My peptide maker said to add 6mls of AA right away.Use distilled water to make it.Do you have a filter?

johnny, do they still recommend NaCL for initial reconstitution if used within 4 weeks?

**legobricks** · 12-25-2007, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by plzr8

johnny, do they still recommend NaCL for initial reconstitution if used within 4 weeks?

Yes. Unfortunately I dont have any nor do I have AA

looks like ill have to make it.

**legobricks** · 12-25-2007, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Jonnycerious

My peptide maker said to add 6mls of AA right away.Use distilled water to make it.Do you have a filter?

Ok, ill be making it tonight, no I dont have distilled water but I can get some from the store, along with distilled white vinegar. Hmmmm so its 7mls distilled water to 1ml of distilled white vinegar correct?

Just push all that through a filter and its good to go?

**legobricks** · 12-25-2007, 09:21 AM

Man,6mls of AA!!!!!!?????? I can stand the sting but damn thats a lot! Well luckily I have a few sterile filters and sterile 50ml vial I can use So adding the 6mls it would put it at 15.5mls total (already did one shot) What I can do is do my second inject today which would make an even 15mls with the 6ml of AA added. How the hell is that dosed then? Please help anyone!!!

**legobricks** · 12-25-2007, 10:10 AM

Ok 6mls of AA still seems like a lot but to preserve what is not lost ill take the sting. Anyways, if I did my math correctly this is what I figured out:

As of right now I have 9.5ml left of the solution (IGF1 + BW)
When I get home from work ill be using another .5ml of the IGF

This will leave me at 9mls left of the solution or 900mcgs. (rough estimate as some was most likely lost due to me reconstituting with BW on sunday at approx. 1930 hours and it is not quite yet 48 hours later)

If I add 6mls of AA to the 9mls that I have left over it will give me a total of 15mls of solution (IGF + BW + AA) this seems like a lot all together but ill take the risk IF this will work.

When doing the math, I calculated 15mls and 900mcgs. Divide that and it gives you 60 which is the 60 tick mark on the 100IU slin pin. So Injecting 60mcgs will be giving me a rough estimate of 50mgs of IGF...Am I correct on this? Original reconstitution was 10mls of BW added to the IGF1. Please if someone can get back to me, Gear, Lion, Jonny, anyone with this knowledge. Merry Christmas too!

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-25-2007, 11:30 AM

my peptide company said to add 4 or 6 mls based on 10mls of igf because it would be easier to figure doses on an even #.Since you have 9mls of IGF add 5 mls of AA.Then you will have 14 mls and it should be slightly easier.You were doing 50mcgs so you would have 18 shots left.18 divided by 14 = .77 mls each shot.........The one thing they did say was that you should add the solution asap!Merry christmas again,damn juicers!!!!!

**legobricks** · 12-25-2007, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnycerious

my peptide company said to add 4 or 6 mls based on 10mls of igf because it would be easier to figure doses on an even #.Since you have 9mls of IGF add 5 mls of AA.Then you will have 14 mls and it should be slightly easier.You were doing 50mcgs so you would have 18 shots left.18 divided by 14 = .77 mls each shot.........The one thing they did say was that you should add the solution asap!Merry christmas again,damn juicers!!!!!

Ok, ill be adding it tonight. Thanks again Jonny, i was waiting aroudn to here from ya! See its nice to have people on here even during Christmas, unfortunately im at work.

LOL at the damn juicers part!

It just seems that adding 5mls of aa will be excrutiating for a shot. your thoughts?

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-25-2007, 12:23 PM

painfull is better than useless,and people been reconing with this stuff all the time on here you should be fine.

**legobricks** · 12-25-2007, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnycerious

painfull is better than useless,and people been reconing with this stuff all the time on here you should be fine.

Ok, sounds good, did they say how long it will last in the BW? I Reconed it sunday at 7:30pm and if i add the AA tongiht did they say how much I could have lots already?

**Nickster#1** · 12-25-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by legobricks

WEll still no reply from Lion so im still waiting to hear if BW is ok to use or not. did my first inject todays, felt a bit hypo but it could have been from working out and using the noxplode during workout. Hmmm other then that all was fine. Im going to email Ar-r to find out what is going on here if it is ok, or if I should request another order due to being sent with the wrong solution. I still will order form Ar-r in future buys so im not mad or anything, just a little dissapointed with this order.

Email him from the email he sent you regarding your order. He always replys to me the same day. Remember though that this is Christmas eve/day. Your igf is fine for at least a couple weeks even with the BW, and probably a month. just chill. Lion will make it right to you.

**legobricks** · 12-25-2007, 03:48 PM

Probably right bro, but imma add AA to it tonight to try to save it if i can. Also I know that Lion will help me out, never failed me in the past and always very genuine. I already PM'ed him and let him know. I understand its xmas and he'll get back to me as soon as he can.

**legobricks** · 12-28-2007, 08:38 AM

Update:

Lion replyed back to me and he informed me that BW is good to use for reconstituting IGF. This is what he said;

"BW is an acidic solution that will work just like the compound NACL. Not to worry. We usually send IGF with sodium chloride but we are out. BW works just as well."

That is def. great news! I did make AA and added it to my IGF. It had an initial "bite" to it when i started to inject. Nothing major at all tho. Tonight i have to do my biceps and its the first time ive ever injected into the bicep, once again tho it should be fine cus that pin is tiny!