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    screaming placebooooooooooooooo

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    Placebo or not, your results are FANTASTIC!!! Keep it up bro.

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    a placebo will not last 3 months and with all the people here that are refusying my results the mental aspect go long ago...believe me...now that im in my 3rd month i can say with more first hand experience....that it could be that the first few weeks the results at 1 iu could be a combination of placebo and the introduction of an extra gh in my sistem once the system adapts the results slow a little bit so i gradually raised my dose now im at 2.5-3 iu and the results are great and with the t3/t4 even better...remember im 42 so i have better response for the exogenous gh....

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    hey guys im planifying on adding some mild aas to my gh program...i was thinking on 1 shot of 300mg weekly of test enth and a mix of 100mgtest prop with 100mg of primo eod for 12 weeks while using novaldex thru the whole cycle and an aditional month after finish any sugestion is apreciate(im looking for hardness strengh and a little agresiveness)

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    no one have a sugestion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrtosa View Post
    hey guys im planifying on adding some mild aas to my gh program...i was thinking on 1 shot of 300mg weekly of test enth and a mix of 100mgtest prop with 100mg of primo eod for 12 weeks while using novaldex thru the whole cycle and an aditional month after finish any sugestion is apreciate(im looking for hardness strengh and a little agresiveness)
    Test enanthate and primo is the same thing, so either take enanthate or primo, no need to take both. As long as you're taking a minimum of 500mgs p/week you should be right. Some can get away with good gains when taking less than 500mgs p/week but most will need more than that. Primo/enanthate is great for strength and size but will deliver quite a bit of water retention.

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    P.S. Primo doesn't need to be taken EOD, you can get away with using it once or twice p/week. Prop on the other hand needs to be taken ED or EOD for maximum benefits that is.

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    is the enath hard on the hair line??? also if it is what test is the least harsh on the hair line and the zits??

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    test is test and its all the same. i have used high doses of test for years and never lost a single strand of hair but everyone is different. if your worried about it stay away from dht's like winny and masteron and buy some of that shampoo everyone uses to help prevent hairloss to run with your test

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    so is better take prop eod with primo s/week?what about the nolva everyday since start?

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    Primo and prop is fine, nolvadex is optional. If you are stressing about gyno then I suggest you take about 20mg p/day from the beginning of the cycle to the end, otherwise only use it if you feel the need to.

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    Exactly where do you get those numbers for natural hgh production?

    I am no doctor, but using 2 minutes searching through google, I found that most sources out there claim around 500 mcg per day at age 20, 200 mcg at age 40, and 25 mcg at age 80.

    As I recall, one unit of growth hormone equals 2,7 mg. That means that even if you are only 20 years old, taking a single iu of hgh will supply you with over 500% of your natural production. And at age 40, you will get 13,5 times your natural production by taking a single unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gear View Post
    Test enanthate and primo is the same thing, so either take enanthate or primo, no need to take both. As long as you're taking a minimum of 500mgs p/week you should be right. Some can get away with good gains when taking less than 500mgs p/week but most will need more than that. Primo/enanthate is great for strength and size but will deliver quite a bit of water retention.

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    Maybe I am misunderstanding this but do you mean to say that testosterone enanthate and primobolan (methenolone) enanthate are the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderin View Post
    Maybe I am misunderstanding this but do you mean to say that testosterone enanthate and primobolan (methenolone) enanthate are the same thing?
    When he said primo, I had primoteston in mind (testosterone enanthate ). I must have thought that coz I have a few primoteston boxes next to me. My bad if he is meant primobolan .

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    yes i was saying primobolan ...so the sugestion before is no longer good?

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    A suggestion from Gear is always a good place to start.

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    hey guys i made my bloodwork last week...so next week i let you know the results..

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    hey guys my numbers on igf-1 are 299 while the upper limit for a 42year old is 200 it has a note that say "out of range"....what do you think?

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    any comments?

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    that you got good gear lol

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