IGF no results?

**Sust Man** · 04-02-2008, 04:45 PM

Is it common for people to not get noticeable results from igf? I ran it from about the last 2 weeks of my cycle thru the 1st 2 weeks of pct at 50mcg pwo (1st time runnin it). Never felt any different, lost about 7lbs over the next month and don't feel like I look much different. Maybe I needed to run more, or everyday regardless of whether or not I workout? Also, how is it that you can feel huge pumps from it if it is injected after a workout. (when i workout eod, the igf is already out of my system from the previous pwo inject, so I don't see how it could affect the actual performance in the gym if its only active for a few hours.)

PT · 04-02-2008, 05:27 PM

were did you get it from? have you been keeping it in the refrigerator? what did you mix it with?

**Sust Man** · 04-02-2008, 05:30 PM

It starts with an O. I kept it refridgerated, and it already comes reconstituted in acetic acid I believe. I mixed it with bac water pre inject only (never put bac water in the vial).

PT · 04-02-2008, 05:36 PM

no freaking way, his igf is some of the best. he sells gropep bro. my advice is to just keep using it because it should be fine. how long ago did you buy it?

**Sust Man** · 04-02-2008, 06:38 PM

I got it 2 months ago and already finished it. Actually, Im not implying that its not real (I know his rep is solid), I just thought maybe I didn't run enough or something.

**goose** · 04-02-2008, 07:55 PM

rIGF-1- Very good muscle builder, but it needs to be injected frequently throughout the day,and at high doses. It can get pricey,and should be used as a last resort.This is the only IGF that has clinical studies to back its effectiveness.

LR3 IGF-1- Is useless as a muscle builder. When Gropep altered the protein chain, it effected IGF-1 ability to bind to proper proteins,thus rendering it pretty much useless for mass building purposes. Also, Gropep has reported adverse effects in lab conditions with mice. Many mice had kidney issues and died during testing. Another thing to consider is, any LR3 IGF-1 on the black market is generic. Gropep has very strict standards for whom they sell the LR3 IGF-1 to. Research sites can not acquire Gropeps LR3 IGF-1. All the LR3 you see out there is a Chinese imitation, something China is a master of doing. Their who economical society is based upon that.
There are no studies to prove LR3 IGF-1 is a muscle builder. All the studies you see are that of rIGF-1. People don't realize that when researching. There is a big difference between the two.
LR3 IGF-1 does seem to help slightly with glycogen retention while dieting. This is all the drug is good for. When you hear guys saying their weight went up, it was caused by an increase in glycogen coupled with water retention. It was not muscle weight they put on.
If you've been on boards for years, you'd know LR3 IGF-1 was a hot item. As more and more people tried it,and saw no results, only fat loss,it fell out of favor pretty quickly. The few left using it are nothing more than wishful thinkers.Why waste money when HGH is the real deal.

**bigkeane** · 04-03-2008, 01:04 AM

ok well now after reading your take on IGF... is it really not worth it??

I was on the verge of a starting a long hgh cycle and doing 2-3 month igf - mgf cycles inbetween..

**legobricks** · 04-03-2008, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

rIGF-1- Very good muscle builder, but it needs to be injected frequently throughout the day,and at high doses. It can get pricey,and should be used as a last resort.This is the only IGF that has clinical studies to back its effectiveness.

LR3 IGF-1- Is useless as a muscle builder. When Gropep altered the protein chain, it effected IGF-1 ability to bind to proper proteins,thus rendering it pretty much useless for mass building purposes. Also, Gropep has reported adverse effects in lab conditions with mice. Many mice had kidney issues and died during testing. Another thing to consider is, any LR3 IGF-1 on the black market is generic. Gropep has very strict standards for whom they sell the LR3 IGF-1 to. Research sites can not acquire Gropeps LR3 IGF-1. All the LR3 you see out there is a Chinese imitation, something China is a master of doing. Their who economical society is based upon that.
There are no studies to prove LR3 IGF-1 is a muscle builder. All the studies you see are that of rIGF-1. People don't realize that when researching. There is a big difference between the two.
LR3 IGF-1 does seem to help slightly with glycogen retention while dieting. This is all the drug is good for. When you hear guys saying their weight went up, it was caused by an increase in glycogen coupled with water retention. It was not muscle weight they put on.
If you've been on boards for years, you'd know LR3 IGF-1 was a hot item. As more and more people tried it,and saw no results, only fat loss,it fell out of favor pretty quickly. The few left using it are nothing more than wishful thinkers.Why waste money when HGH is the real deal.

What?

I don't know..... I had pretty good results off IGFLr3 and actually liked it. Yes ill agree with you that i bloated up nicely while on LR3 and the strength did go up. Did I notice a difference in symmety, size, strength, and weight after? Yes i did...maybe its dependant on the user and how ones body reacts but personally I liked it and it worked well for me. All of the positives kept coming on 4 weeks after the cycle as well, would I use it again? Yes most likely. Not sayin your wrong goose, but i have had a different experience than what you stated.

PT · 04-03-2008, 03:44 AM

i agree with lego on the igf. i get great results from igf including size and strength. i have no clue if your body builds an immunity to it like it can for hgh or what but i have heard of people using the same igf at the same dose and one person getting great results while the other didnt see a change. personally i run around 40mcgs twice a day for 4 weeks straight and i always see good results. i know others that run it only on workout days so they can try and keep there receptors less saturated and they also have great results. of course there have been tests done on igf but not enough for us to know exactly how it will effect everyone

**goose** · 04-03-2008, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by legobricks

What?

I don't know..... I had pretty good results off IGFLr3 and actually liked it. Yes ill agree with you that i bloated up nicely while on LR3 and the strength did go up. Did I notice a difference in symmety, size, strength, and weight after? Yes i did...maybe its dependant on the user and how ones body reacts but personally I liked it and it worked well for me. All of the positives kept coming on 4 weeks after the cycle as well, would I use it again? Yes most likely. Not sayin your wrong goose, but i have had a different experience than what you stated.

Nice to hear,this is the key to this game,if you like the results of a hormone,who am I to say dont use it

My Synopsis to the tread is experiment,but I can tell you IGF will get weaker every year as people will see the truth.

**legobricks** · 04-03-2008, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

Nice to hear,this is the key to this game,if you like the results of a hormone,who am I to say dont use it

My Synopsis to the tread is experiment,but I can tell you IGF will get weaker every year as people will see the truth.

Im with you 100%. I also udnerstand that IGF is very weak compared to AAS or HGH IMO but for me it worked very well when i used it but as time goes by it just gets expensive and would rather run GH (but thats hella pricey).

Im def. ears open goose so for me its more of how my body is going to react to it for the next few IGF cycles.

**chainsaw1** · 04-03-2008, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

rIGF-1- Very good muscle builder, but it needs to be injected frequently throughout the day,and at high doses. It can get pricey,and should be used as a last resort.This is the only IGF that has clinical studies to back its effectiveness.

LR3 IGF-1- Is useless as a muscle builder. When Gropep altered the protein chain, it effected IGF-1 ability to bind to proper proteins,thus rendering it pretty much useless for mass building purposes. Also, Gropep has reported adverse effects in lab conditions with mice. Many mice had kidney issues and died during testing. Another thing to consider is, any LR3 IGF-1 on the black market is generic. Gropep has very strict standards for whom they sell the LR3 IGF-1 to. Research sites can not acquire Gropeps LR3 IGF-1. All the LR3 you see out there is a Chinese imitation, something China is a master of doing. Their who economical society is based upon that.
There are no studies to prove LR3 IGF-1 is a muscle builder. All the studies you see are that of rIGF-1. People don't realize that when researching. There is a big difference between the two.
LR3 IGF-1 does seem to help slightly with glycogen retention while dieting. This is all the drug is good for. When you hear guys saying their weight went up, it was caused by an increase in glycogen coupled with water retention. It was not muscle weight they put on.
If you've been on boards for years, you'd know LR3 IGF-1 was a hot item. As more and more people tried it,and saw no results, only fat loss,it fell out of favor pretty quickly. The few left using it are nothing more than wishful thinkers.Why waste money when HGH is the real deal.

Good post, by the way who's butt is that in your avi, wow.

**Sust Man** · 04-04-2008, 08:14 PM

Yeeeaaaa. That butt needs a good SLAP!

**goose** · 04-04-2008, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Sust Man

Yeeeaaaa. That butt needs a good SLAP!

No,you need a good slap

**naturalsux** · 04-04-2008, 09:09 PM

im only running 40mcg post workout and i noticed increased pumps the next day.

im suppose to have receptor grade though

**bigkeane** · 04-04-2008, 09:32 PM

Hey lego,
since it seems you someone that has experience with igf lr3, why cant you run igf longer?? i'm not sure if stacking it with mgf really makes a difference but why couldnt you run it for 8 weeks? or do the gains really start tapering off after 4 weeks?
also i've read about a lot of people that have 'tried' a cycle, but what about repeat users that use it a few times a year? are there people that are?? the reason i ask is cause there doesnt seem many people that rave about great results and than say "i'm gonna hop back on igf, igf mgf as soon as possible"....