Igf-1

**biodiversity** · 07-27-2008, 03:24 PM

I was thinking about doing HGH for 9 months but I made a search here and found out that at my age 26 i need higher doses and i could wait more and start doing it (i dont want to use the ace now!) so I thought about doing IGF-1 5 weeks on 5 weeks off at a dose of 100mcg/day on training days wich is 5 days a week, my goal is to add some LBM thats it nothing more, my question is there trademark brands of IGF-1 like Genotropin in the case of HGH? because i am overseas now and i have access to all kind of hormones from pharmacies because its legal where I am now and I dont know if they will understand if i go to the pharmacie and tell them I want IGF-1.

**Pinnacle** · 07-27-2008, 03:36 PM

If you decide to use IGF-1, make sure it's rIGF-1, not LR3 IGF-1 which is useless for building muscle tissue. LR3 is a great GDA though.

**biodiversity** · 07-27-2008, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

If you decide to use IGF-1, make sure it's rIGF-1, not LR3 IGF-1 which is useless for building muscle tissue. LR3 is a great GDA though.

nice info it seem i need to do more search about the stuff but i really dont have time i have to take advantage of my presence here and use it, so is there a specific brand of the rIGF-1?

PT · 07-27-2008, 05:05 PM

not really, you just have to find someone that sells it

**GearIdentity** · 07-27-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

If you decide to use IGF-1, make sure it's rIGF-1, not LR3 IGF-1 which is useless for building muscle tissue. LR3 is a great GDA though.

What's GDA? And if you dont mind me asking, what is your opinion of LR3 for use in PCT?

**jg42058p** · 07-27-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

If you decide to use IGF-1, make sure it's rIGF-1, not LR3 IGF-1 which is useless for building muscle tissue. LR3 is a great GDA though.

what is a GDA?

**biodiversity** · 07-27-2008, 06:50 PM

GDA mean selective it store protein in muscles but doesnt store fat like insulin .

**Pinnacle** · 07-28-2008, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by jg42058p

what is a GDA?

GDA= Glucose Disposal Agent. Like metformin...

**GearIdentity** · 07-28-2008, 08:26 AM

That could explain why you lean out a bit when on LR3. Dont see how that would stack up well with insulin , though.

**biodiversity** · 07-28-2008, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

GDA= Glucose Disposal Agent. Like metformin...

metaformin is this Glucophage? I used it while i was on a CKD during carb ups gave me stomach ache and loss of apetite , bad experience!

**40plusnewbie** · 07-28-2008, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by biodiversity

metaformin is this Glucophage?

Yes it is.

**steropower** · 07-31-2008, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

If you decide to use IGF-1, make sure it's rIGF-1, not LR3 IGF-1 which is useless for building muscle tissue. LR3 is a great GDA though.

I found this in another forum.It seems that "r" stands for Recombinant but it's not a different thing from LR3 as far i understand.This company says it produces this "r" IGF-1 but it is in LR3 version which is more bioactive.So it makes me think taht LR3 is just a version of rIGF-1.

There's a rector grade being made by Pharmacia El Ramoz. Here's some info posted by Doom at SBI

Recombinant Insulin like Growth Factor-1 (rIGF-1)

Pharmacia El Ramoz is also involved in the continuous research and development of Insulin like Growth Factor-1(IGF-1). Pharmacia El Ramoz contracts an overseas manufacturer to produce rIGF-1.
Pharmacia El Ramoz rIGF-1 will be due for release in MAY 2004.
Pharmacia El Ramoz will supply a fully synthetic IGF-1 via rDNA techniques; this rIGF-1 is identical to the IGF-1 produced by the human liver in response to hST/HGH injections.
We are only supplying the most bioactive form of IGF-1 which is the Long R3 protein binding attached version.
The IGF-1 is manufactured and handled under the most strict quality control standards and facilities. Pharmacia El Ramoz IGF-1 is only of the absolute highest standard and purity (>99%) and hence we only supply “receptor grade” and not media grade (>72%).

DOSE
Pharmacia El ramoz IGF-1 is supplied in a lyophilized dry state in 5mg and 10mg vials and also comes in multi vial research kit packs.

WATER SOLUTION
Pharmacia El Ramoz IGF-1 is packaged and supplied with the appropriate bacteriostatic water solution. DO NOT add or mix with BA/sterile water. This IGF-1 is only stable in the appropriate water solution supplied.

HANDLING
The exact same handling procedures of SOMATORM apply to Pharmacia El Ramoz IGF-1. Refer to SOMATORM handling.
That is Pharmacia El Ramoz has incorporated unique additives & preservatives, which stabilizes the IGF-1 both in its dry state and once diluted.
Once diluted the IGF-1 MUST be refrigerated and is stable for up to 2>4 weeks maximum in a cold fridge.
DO NOT freeze and avoid direct UV light.

*Refer to manufacturers insert for further product information.

JohnnyB

**Pinnacle** · 07-31-2008, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by steropower

I found this in another forum.It seems that "r" stands for Recombinant but it's not a different thing from LR3 as far i understand.This company says it produces this "r" IGF-1 but it is in LR3 version which is more bioactive.So it makes me think taht LR3 is just a version of rIGF-1.

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rIGF-1 is significantly different than LR3 IGF-1.
Gropep took rIGF-1 and broke the protein sequence to make LR3, which has a longer active life in cell cultures. Problem is, when gropep broke the protein sequence it rendered it useless as a muscle builder, and it's quite dangerous for humans to consume, hence the reason Gropep never put LR3 on the market.

**BITTAPART2** · 07-31-2008, 10:58 AM

PINN, what where the dangers from the IGF studies? rats developed cancer right? or accelerated it? also i am interested on your opinion on the recent thread about the combo of cjc and ghrp-6 being used together to get a good Gh response. I am in my thirties and like eveyone else, i cant get growth right now so i was looking for a good solid PCT plan which was supposed to be
GH/slin/arimidex /proviron /nolvadex /hcg but cant get the growth.

**Pinnacle** · 07-31-2008, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by BITTAPART2

PINN, what where the dangers from the IGF studies? rats developed cancer right? or accelerated it? also i am interested on your opinion on the recent thread about the combo of cjc and ghrp-6 being used together to get a good Gh response. I am in my thirties and like eveyone else, i cant get growth right now so i was looking for a good solid PCT plan which was supposed to be
GH/slin/arimidex/proviron/nolvadex/hcg but cant get the growth.

Cancer and kidney failure.

The peptide( CJC 1295) looks to be an alternative for those that can't get, or afford HGH.
Not enough info out there to sell me on it, nor has it been shown to be 100 % safe in long tern use.

**BITTAPART2** · 07-31-2008, 11:21 AM

would you think if i took out the GH from my PCT plans I should also drop the slin? I would think the slin would help me keepm weight on even if not stacked with GH right?

**Pinnacle** · 07-31-2008, 02:02 PM

No HGH.No slin........slin alone will keep your weight up. Body fat that is..........

**BITTAPART2** · 07-31-2008, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

No HGH.No slin........slin alone will keep your weight up. Body fat that is..........

PINN, you think if I ate quality protein and complex carbs i would only get fat with slin? my thoughts were if I ate clean and had my cals in a slight surplus along with aminos and creatine post workout I would be able to preserve some muscle mass? why am I wrong in this assumption?

BTW we need to open an ask pinn thread here

**Pinnacle** · 07-31-2008, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by BITTAPART2

PINN, you think if I ate quality protein and complex carbs i would only get fat with slin? my thoughts were if I ate clean and had my cals in a slight surplus along with aminos and creatine post workout I would be able to preserve some muscle mass? why am I wrong in this assumption?

BTW we need to open an ask pinn thread here

LOL, I have a 300 page Q & A thread on another board. I don't need another one :-)

If your are perfect, and I mean perfect with your diet, you won't get fat using slin.

Training and diet are indicative of maintaining gains during PCT.
Your diet must be high in fat during PCT(low carb) and I don't mean just EFA's. Think beef here, and lots of it!

As for training. You should still lift heavy, but reduce volume by about half, and don't use any advanced techniques like rest/pause..forced reps ect.

**biodiversity** · 07-31-2008, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

LOL, I have a 300 page Q & A thread on another board. I don't need another one :-)

If your are perfect, and I mean perfect with your diet, you won't get fat using slin.

Training and diet are indicative of maintaining gains during PCT.
Your diet must be high in fat during PCT(low carb) and I don't mean just EFA's. Think beef here, and lots of it!

As for training. You should still lift heavy, but reduce volume by about half, and don't use any advanced techniques like rest/pause..forced reps ect.

thats my concern 2 i am on a test cycle now and when i come off i want to at least keep 80% of my gains, thats why i want to use IGF-1 but if i couldnt get it i will use slin with my pct to keep my gains, my cycle was a success but the true success is by keeping a good amount of my mass and strenght gains when i come off!

**BITTAPART2** · 08-01-2008, 07:19 AM

PINN, again with the assumption my diet will be 100% pefect would a carb and protein diet with fats 6 hours after slin inj be a reasonable approach to possibly keeping (adding) gains?

**Pinnacle** · 08-01-2008, 10:19 AM

I'm a little lost as to what you mean 6 hrs after slin? Slin is only active like 3.5-4 hrs. That's when you have to really be careful. But your diet as a whole should be excellent during PCT, as it is a vital time. Your fat/protein ratios have to be pretty much spot on during that time frame. Carbs too, but to a lesser degree.

**BITTAPART2** · 08-01-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

I'm a little lost as to what you mean 6 hrs after slin? Slin is only active like 3.5-4 hrs. That's when you have to really be careful. But your diet as a whole should be excellent during PCT, as it is a vital time. Your fat/protein ratios have to be pretty much spot on during that time frame. Carbs too, but to a lesser degree.

I only say 6 hrs b/c i have gone hypo off novalog close to 5.5 hrs after i injected it a few times and it is fast acting slin so something is happening after the 4 hr mark. I just feel like I am screwed post cycle b/c I have eaten perfect and trained right on cycle and gotten more than desired results in the past few years so where else to go when I go off cycle? more cals? more protein? I cant get HGH anymore and would normally run 8iu post cycle and not worry so much b/c I can still produce minimal composition changes but positive changes none the less. being in my thirties and having cycled groeth and AAS for many years would cjc and ghrp-6 be worth it for me given my situation?