HGH Blood Work & Chinese Brands

**Fantomg** · 07-08-2010, 03:08 PM

I've re-posted this from the 4th page of the "Chinese HGH Concerns" thread. I don't know how to "bump" a comment and have a strong desire to attempt to be conclusive whether I am using real HGH from China and even further would like to see if it IS the equivalent of 4iu's (the dose I current use m-f), if so.

This seems to be a concern and I'm hoping to get some feedback about "lab testing" and lay to rest "which" lab test to PAY for.
1) I want to know whats in my blood
2) I want to know how much is in there
3) I want to subside my suspicions of efficacy and have more confidence when I lay down 1k at a time to an individual/ugl/company over seas, (namely China). I do this for one reason. TO SAVE MONEY. And that might be the very reason I may have or will "short change" myself.

It has been discussed many times that the way to conclude if you are getting what you pay for would be to test your blood for growth hormone levels at a lab. Further, it has been posted that it would be far more conclusive to actually "test" your product via a lab. I have NOT found a lab after calls to 13 of them so far that offers this, or can refer me to any lab that does. Spectrum testing has come off the tongue of one individual I spoke with at a lab, so I include that in my line of questions. However, the following IS what I have found offered (blood work testing) at one of the more well known labs in the southwestern region of the U.S.

Here is the post....

I just got off a 25 minute phone call with LAB EXPRESS. Couldn’t get the tech on the phone but did talk to a lady in management who claimed to be well versed regarding their services.

This is what they were able to explain to me.

They do not have a Somatotropin or Somatropin test. She has never heard of that.
They do have:

HGH Test $98.00
IGF-1 Test $108.00
IGF-2 Test $230.00
IGF Binding Protein 3 Test $125.00

She added that there were ranges given on her “sheet” only for:
IGF Binding Protein 1 Ranges (18-50yrs old) = 13-73
IGF Binding Protein 2 Ranges (18-50yrs old) 50-240

And there is a Growth Hormone Response (TIME SAMPLE) Test and said that it showed 2 result columns labeled GH1 & GH2. She said this was just added to their services and she did not have pricing yet.

She could not elaborate past anything I have posted here. I must have burned her ear off with questions. She was more than happy to answer what she could but said my questions would be best directed to the lab technician. I got his voice mail and will attempt another call before leaving a message. I did explain to her that I was after the most accurate test indicating how much exogenous growth hormone was in my blood and had heard that there are more specific tests than the IGF-1 test.

OK – I've always done IGF-1 tests to measure how much GH I'm taking. But Marcus300 mentioned in a post that it may be possible to counterfeit HGH WITH IGF-1. Anyone care to take a stab at these tests. Interpretations welcome. Which is THE test? (Xtralarg, you mentioned taking "The HGH Test". Is the first one I've listed what you mean?)

**frawnz** · 07-08-2010, 03:31 PM

Did she say what their "HGH Test" tests exactly? I know there was that one forum member spouting off about his Somatropin tests and how common it is, but I can't find it anywhere. It's always IGF-1 based, even if they call it HGH testing.

**AndriodLee** · 07-08-2010, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by frawnz

Did she say what their "HGH Test" tests exactly? I know there was that one forum member spouting off about his Somatropin tests and how common it is, but I can't find it anywhere. It's always IGF-1 based, even if they call it HGH testing.

I'm going to give this one, and an IGF1 test a go as soon as I get paid this week.

http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tes...14&search=#534

**Fantomg** · 07-08-2010, 03:53 PM

[QUOTE=AndriodLee;5255079]I'm going to give this one, and an IGF1 test a go as soon as I get paid this week.
Originally Posted by frawnz
Did she say what their "HGH Test" tests exactly?

No, I asked her "what" the HGH test was. She couldn't elaborate. Sometimes it gets frustrating when you don't get answers. I'm thinking in my head as I ask her... "How do you offer these tests and don't know what they are!?" Apparently, the only person who knows is the actual "Lab Tech", the rest are customer service reps with limited knowledge.

I notice this about yours: Includes: Growth Hormone , Serum.
I will include that in my questioning now.

Also: have you noticed how many posts say that "timing" is "important" when testing your hgh? There are posts that recommend testing inside an hour after dosing or you may risk getting a "low" level reading back due to the short half life etc. It has also been said that you should pin intramuscular that morning as well. I suppose that I will do both (test right afterwards and pin IM) as well as stop eating the night before. This may lend confidence to me if I'm using real HGH at least. But I have to doubt the method of being able to test your true levels due to GH pulses and when you take your GH etc etc. It seems that GH levels can be all over the map during a 24 hour period.

My main goal and common thread to many other threads is to attempt prove my product's legitimacy to myself and others interested. Or more specifically, lend confidence to persons purchasing from China. There are over a billion people there. It never ceases to amaze me when people make global statements such as "Chinese HGH Sucks" etc. I can imagine the same intellect over there and laugh, "Don't go to America... uhhhh it's hot as hell there!" We record some of the highest temps on the planet in some areas, but in other areas... you get the point. Actually, I mean to just post my evidence or findings and let those draw their own conclusions. I can paint the picture of who'm I acquire product from over there without breaking the UGL Lab Posting rule. Mine has been very consistent over my 3 year relationship. He/they are more low key than some others but have been around for a long time now. I will be more forthcoming after my findings/results.
The other goal is "with my long winded posts" I hope to inspire some of the members to respond with some of the "less" anecdotal comments and more from facts. Thank God I have a brain that can decently filter the yahoos but there is some level of humor I enjoy from it as well. I can't help but laugh at generalizations like "Chinese don't make real GH dude", etc but also realize these comments have at times, serious impact on buyer's confidence. There have been some good posts regarding tests and the attempt to discover a tried and true method to put a "REAL" stamp on products lately. Lets get some LAB WORK (blood) posts and share some findings... and if we find cooperative labs that will actually test product, hell it's metaphorically equivalent to curing cancer on this forum, lol.

GH didn't cause my CTS, my typing did!

**Fantomg** · 07-08-2010, 04:41 PM

Hey "AndroidLee" -

Looks like you'll pay $118.98 + tax for both of those tests. That seems like a hell of a deal compared to my lab. Please post results. Keep the momentum.

There are quite a few people in my area that use these guys for bloodwork and purchases. Pricey on the hormones but the labwork is cheap.
http://www.infinityage.com/

**rmacgurn** · 07-08-2010, 06:00 PM

[QUOTE=Fantomg;5255103]

Originally Posted by AndriodLee

I'm going to give this one, and an IGF1 test a go as soon as I get paid this week.
Originally Posted by frawnz
Did she say what their "HGH Test" tests exactly?

Originally Posted by AndriodLee

No, I asked her "what" the HGH test was. She couldn't elaborate. Sometimes it gets frustrating when you don't get answers. I'm thinking in my head as I ask her... "How do you offer these tests and don't know what they are!?" Apparently, the only person who knows is the actual "Lab Tech", the rest are customer service reps with limited knowledge.

I notice this about yours: Includes: Growth Hormone , Serum.
I will include that in my questioning now.

Also: have you noticed how many posts say that "timing" is "important" when testing your hgh? There are posts that recommend testing inside an hour after dosing or you may risk getting a "low" level reading back due to the short half life etc. It has also been said that you should pin intramuscular that morning as well. I suppose that I will do both (test right afterwards and pin IM) as well as stop eating the night before. This may lend confidence to me if I'm using real HGH at least. But I have to doubt the method of being able to test your true levels due to GH pulses and when you take your GH etc etc. It seems that GH levels can be all over the map during a 24 hour period.

My main goal and common thread to many other threads is to attempt prove my product's legitimacy to myself and others interested. Or more specifically, lend confidence to persons purchasing from China. There are over a billion people there. It never ceases to amaze me when people make global statements such as "Chinese HGH Sucks" etc. I can imagine the same intellect over there and laugh, "Don't go to America... uhhhh it's hot as hell there!" We record some of the highest temps on the planet in some areas, but in other areas... you get the point. Actually, I mean to just post my evidence or findings and let those draw their own conclusions. I can paint the picture of who'm I acquire product from over there without breaking the UGL Lab Posting rule. Mine has been very consistent over my 3 year relationship. He/they are more low key than some others but have been around for a long time now. I will be more forthcoming after my findings/results.
The other goal is "with my long winded posts" I hope to inspire some of the members to respond with some of the "less" anecdotal comments and more from facts. Thank God I have a brain that can decently filter the yahoos but there is some level of humor I enjoy from it as well. I can't help but laugh at generalizations like "Chinese don't make real GH dude", etc but also realize these comments have at times, serious impact on buyer's confidence. There have been some good posts regarding tests and the attempt to discover a tried and true method to put a "REAL" stamp on products lately. Lets get some LAB WORK (blood) posts and share some findings... and if we find cooperative labs that will actually test product, hell it's metaphorically equivalent to curing cancer on this forum, lol.

GH didn't cause my CTS, my typing did!

I agree with your position on this, i think there are good and bad sources for things in all countries, so i look to price as a fair indicator and several have posted prices that are well below 5% of distributor wholesale prices for say Saizen on an IU basis. that to me is an indicator of a risky supplier.

As to test blood for GH it can be done but hard to learn much from it as half life is very short, minutes. you also have to fast for like 12 or 14 hrs and then usually do multiple draws so it is not a simple test to get meaningful info from. it is often used to check children and people suspected to have pituitary tumors in conjunction with IGF-1 levels which is the major by product of HGH via the liver.

My concern about Chinese HGH is more about the increased sides, and impurities. This based on direct usage comparison of both Saizen and Blue tops. I will be testing at a lab in US samples of several batches to find out for myself. as i have posted here before i cannot understand why the powder cake from china is about the same physical size in a 10iu vial as saizen is in a 24 iu vial. Also the saizen mixes much cleaner then blue tops. hence my concern. I am a 12 year user of HGH with a medical background, so not a yahoo ...

**Xtralarg** · 07-08-2010, 06:04 PM

[QUOTE=rmacgurn;5255303]

Originally Posted by Fantomg

[B]

I agree with your position on this, i think there are good and bad sources for things in all countries, so i look to price as a fair indicator and several have posted prices that are well below 5% of distributor wholesale prices for say Saizen on an IU basis. that to me is an indicator of a risky supplier.

As to test blood for GH it can be done but hard to learn much from it as half life is very short, minutes. you also have to fast for like 12 or 14 hrs and then usually do multiple draws so it is not a simple test to get meaningful info from. it is often used to check children and people suspected to have pituitary tumors in conjunction with IGF-1 levels which is the major by product of HGH via the liver.

My concern about Chinese HGH is more about the increased sides, and impurities. This based on direct usage comparison of both Saizen and Blue tops. I will be testing at a lab in US samples of several batches to find out for myself. as i have posted here before i cannot understand why the powder cake from china is about the same physical size in a 10iu vial as saizen is in a 24 iu vial. Also the saizen mixes much cleaner then blue tops. hence my concern. I am a 12 year user of HGH with a medical background, so not a yahoo ...

Good quality info, thanks.

**Fantomg** · 07-08-2010, 07:04 PM

Thanks rmacgurn - This is what I suspected somewhat re: testing and accuracy. I just couldn't connect the dots on how we decide how much we're doing based on an IGF-1 test at any particular time. Unless there's a sure fire time vs dosage time, amount, method etc. Judging from your post's content it doesn't seem probable.

But can we conclude we DO or DO NOT have the real deal with an IGF-1 Test? I have Marcus300's comment in my mind about faking gh WITH igf-1.
Would the "HGH" test conclude this? Is it different than the IGF-1 test? Is it measuring somatotropin levels in the blood?
I've got my wallet out and have already GPS'd the lab as soon as I have a satisfying answer.

If I could learn a sure fire way to prove I have real product (I could deal with the rest such as how potent, how much filler etc on my own with results), I would do this right away. I'm sure lots would. So I "fast" for 14 hours, get a good night's rest, pin intramuscularly with 5 iu's 30 minutes prior to having blood drawn. OK - so be it. How about a "FIRST STEP" - proving you have the REAL DEAL. Then further steps such as purity etc later. How is this achieved with BLOOD WORK? Sorry if I'm repetitive but I a little more energy now before reverting back to paying 3-4 times the amount for stateside product.

**BTW, my results have been great as far as BF loss. After 2 1/2 months appx, I shed about 25lbs and am lean and veiny now at 235 and appx 5 1/2 months in. My arms fall asleep every night so bad that I feel I have stumps hanging from my shoulders and I wake to painful knuckles on one hand each morn. I sleep much deeper/longer now. I had water retention in the beginning (6lb gain) until about 30days and it disappeared. 4iu m-f. If this is from some other substance in the Chinese Yellow Tops they seem to have found something that acts a hell of a lot like GH, no?

**rmacgurn** · 07-08-2010, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Fantomg

Thanks rmacgurn - This is what I suspected somewhat re: testing and accuracy. I just couldn't connect the dots on how we decide how much we're doing based on an IGF-1 test at any particular time. Unless there's a sure fire time vs dosage time, amount, method etc. Judging from your post's content it doesn't seem probable.

But can we conclude we DO or DO NOT have the real deal with an IGF-1 Test? I have Marcus300's comment in my mind about faking gh WITH igf-1.
Would the "HGH" test conclude this? Is it different than the IGF-1 test? Is it measuring somatotropin levels in the blood?
I've got my wallet out and have already GPS'd the lab as soon as I have a satisfying answer.

If I could learn a sure fire way to prove I have real product (I could deal with the rest such as how potent, how much filler etc on my own with results), I would do this right away. I'm sure lots would. So I "fast" for 14 hours, get a good night's rest, pin intramuscularly with 5 iu's 30 minutes prior to having blood drawn. OK - so be it. How about a "FIRST STEP" - proving you have the REAL DEAL. Then further steps such as purity etc later. How is this achieved with BLOOD WORK? Sorry if I'm repetitive but I a little more energy now before reverting back to paying 3-4 times the amount for stateside product.

**BTW, my results have been great as far as BF loss. After 2 1/2 months appx, I shed about 25lbs and am lean and veiny now at 235 and appx 5 1/2 months in. My arms fall asleep every night so bad that I feel I have stumps hanging from my shoulders and I wake to painful knuckles on one hand each morn. I sleep much deeper/longer now. I had water retention in the beginning (6lb gain) until about 30days and it disappeared. 4iu m-f. If this is from some other substance in the Chinese Yellow Tops they seem to have found something that acts a hell of a lot like GH, no?

Yes i guess it is doable, but you need to know some baseline levels of your natural GH levels so when you inject you have a differential, and I think you should inject within 5 min of doing the blood work or the natural noise levels in your own GH may make it hard as your own GH levels can move around a lot. the sides you mention are all of GH but normally associated with higher doses at your body weight. My theory has been that there are other things in the mix, causing these symptoms to appear at lower doses. maybe impurities or maybe things used to dilute the HGH and allow manufacturing at a lower price. Either way to know what we are putting in our bodys' a chemical analysis is the best way.

I prefer to have an analytical lab test the product using liquid chromatography or mass spectrometry tell me ingredients and amounts. this will identify all compound, peptides, etc in the powder. Kiils two birds with one stone. no matter where you are there will be a lab as they are required for pharmacies that compound and for new drug approval for manufacturing. much simpler also then all the expensive blood tests. be patient i think we will have a location or two in a day or so at reasonable prices.

**Fantomg** · 07-08-2010, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by rmacgurn

Yes i guess it is doable, but you need to know some baseline levels of your natural GH levels so when you inject you have a differential, and I think you should inject within 5 min of doing the blood work or the natural noise levels in your own GH may make it hard as your own GH levels can move around a lot. the sides you mention are all of GH but normally associated with higher doses at your body weight. My theory has been that there are other things in the mix, causing these symptoms to appear at lower doses. maybe impurities or maybe things used to dilute the HGH and allow manufacturing at a lower price. Either way to know what we are putting in our bodys' a chemical analysis is the best way.

I prefer to have an analytical lab test the product using liquid chromatography or mass spectrometry tell me ingredients and amounts. this will identify all compound, peptides, etc in the powder. Kiils two birds with one stone. no matter where you are there will be a lab as they are required for pharmacies that compound and for new drug approval for manufacturing. much simpler also then all the expensive blood tests. be patient i think we will have a location or two in a day or so at reasonable prices.

THANK YOU -

Best post I've read. I really appreciate your input here. I've wondered if there'd be legalities with mass spectrometry and controlled substances in the U.S. as well. Also, I knew there were labs, but didn't think they'd be hard to find. I will assume you will locate faster due to your background. If it's true that it would be cheaper to run a test on a substance, pm me. I wouldn't mind paying for one of yours to be tested as I really do appreciate that. You will have helped so many people's endeavors on this board.

**AndriodLee** · 07-08-2010, 11:33 PM

x2 man good info thanks. Im really curious to test my blood levels though. The lab is close to my house. Im sure that I could take a pre filled syringe and pin myself at least 10 min before i have the blood work drawn.

**BigMyke** · 07-09-2010, 09:59 AM

OK – I've always done IGF-1 tests to measure how much GH I'm taking. But Marcus300 mentioned in a post that it may be possible to counterfeit HGH WITH IGF-1

does IGF-1 give you CTS?

**Fantomg** · 07-09-2010, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by BigMyke

OK – I've always done IGF-1 tests to measure how much GH I'm taking. But Marcus300 mentioned in a post that it may be possible to counterfeit HGH WITH IGF-1

does IGF-1 give you CTS?

Goog question BigMyke - Someone answer this please, I've got to get to work. Will research this eve if there's no answer. However......... Consider this BigMyke, the volume in a lot of Chinese bottles dosed at 10IU is larger than those of products like Saizen, which contains 24iu in a bottle. Who's to say that EVEN IF there's IGF-1 in your bottle, that there isn't another substance too that causes sides that IGF-1 may not.
I hate this, lol.

Take a pre-loaded syringe with ya to the lab and pin 5 minutes before they stick ya... or give it till Monday as we just may have a lab that tests actual substances.

Off to work to replace the monies spent on suspicious white powder labeled HGH.

Ya know - I'm still happy with whatever this is for now. I'm lean and 233 and throwing 365 for reps and 405 for doubles on the incline like 10 years ago. I hadn't done that since the days of that Avatar pic I've got up there with my funky gym pants on. lol . I've gotta update that thing right after I use the grayaway this weekend. The beauty of this HGH for me now is that I CAN re-approach those years to a point as far as BF goes. The pre-contest dieting is not the same for me as it was then. BF is much more stubborn with a low HGH level. I know I won't get my pro-card now in my early 40's and I'm also glad I'm a business owner with a lot more money than the promises from supplement co's offering small bucks to own ya, but I love that I can feel closer to my early 30's. I believe it's much much more pronounced at 4iu's now than if I had used in my late 20's and 30's. Any of you here in their late 30's on up have to be realizing this.

**spicyer** · 07-11-2010, 08:53 PM

I buy my blood tests online and then go to a local lab to draw. My blood test company has a HGH test (synonyms-Somatotropic hormone; Somatotropin; STH.

The test measures amount of hgh in blood. Test requires 12 hrs fasting and no exercise in that period either. Tech says that a baseline number (fasting range) is established and that when I get my results it will be compared on the paperwork results with that range.

My plan is to inject 5 iu's hgh in the parking lot of the lab draw co. and then I'll see what I get. It always takes 20-30 minutes before they draw. I'll have results by Friday July 16th.

This I found out is the same test being proposed to the NFL, but the NFL players union says it is too restrictive, 1. because it's blood test 2. becasue the window for detection is too tight.

**Fantomg** · 07-12-2010, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by spicyer

I buy my blood tests online and then go to a local lab to draw. My blood test company has a HGH test (synonyms-Somatotropic hormone; Somatotropin; STH.

My plan is to inject 5 iu's hgh in the parking lot of the lab draw co. and then I'll see what I get. It always takes 20-30 minutes before they draw. I'll have results by Friday July 16th.

This I found out is the same test being proposed to the NFL, but the NFL players union says it is too restrictive, 1. because it's blood test 2. becasue the window for detection is too tight.

NICE JOB SPICYER -

Yeah please post your findings. Will you pin intramuscular? I don't know if this/how this effects the results exactly but it has been mentioned several times. I will do a little more research. I wonder if the lab may know? You HAVE to talk to a LAB TECH there though. Ya can't ask those customer service reps anything that answer the phones. They don't seem to know a thing.

Also thanks for defining what the HGH test is vs IGF-1 testing. Many, including myself didn't know that is tested for Somatotropin. That's great because again, IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT MANY COUNTERFEITS HAVE THOUGHT TO CONTAIN IGF-1 AND TESTING IGF-1 WOULD IN TURN, SHOW A HIGH LEVEL, THUS GIVING YOU A FALSE SENSE OF CONCLUSION.

Sorry if you've already said, but what kind of HGH are you on? And from what country?

**spicyer** · 07-12-2010, 05:39 PM

Fantomg - That was a bit of a curveball, after further research looks like Im going with im. I'm using blue tops (I don't think color matters) from China. I have a fresh batch coming in tomorrow so may delay test one day. I will keep you posted.

**spicyer** · 07-15-2010, 08:59 PM

I'm awaiting my blood results. My first blood draw was 9am after a 12hr fast, thats what I'm using as baseline. I injected 5 iu's im and then had blood drawn 30 minutes and then 60 minutes. I've ordered two more brands to test, but even though I've got the time and means to do this I still consider it to all be random because as we know cap color to cap color, box by box there is no consistencies.

**Vitruvian-Man** · 07-15-2010, 09:03 PM

Why did all these guys get banned? lol.

They seemed like they were really into the whole HGH mystery thing

-VM

**Manhatten Project** · 07-21-2010, 02:12 PM

I wondered why there gone too now. I have read for a long time and wanted to know about what I have as well. I found a laboratory that will test my bottles of growth but they want more money than I thought I was gonna have to pay. They told me they had recently done this for others and had already set up for this. Otherwise they had said it would have cost me about $1300.
I got some friends together and we are sending in 2 of our chinese bottles hopefully this week.
I will put it up here, the results they give us if that is ok? I read the rules again and it seems like its ok. and after reading a lot, it seems like no one is sure about blood testing for hgh. everyone seems to have a different opinion. it would be a waste of my time to do it.
I think like everyone else keeps saying that this is the only way to know. So I will do it. And I will post it.
Thanks

**Matt** · 07-21-2010, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Manhatten Project

I wondered why there gone too now. I have read for a long time and wanted to know about what I have as well. I found a laboratory that will test my bottles of growth but they want more money than I thought I was gonna have to pay. They told me they had recently done this for others and had already set up for this. Otherwise they had said it would have cost me about $1300.
I got some friends together and we are sending in 2 of our chinese bottles hopefully this week.
I will put it up here, the results they give us if that is ok? I read the rules again and it seems like its ok. and after reading a lot, it seems like no one is sure about blood testing for hgh. everyone seems to have a different opinion. it would be a waste of my time to do it.
I think like everyone else keeps saying that this is the only way to know. So I will do it. And I will post it.
Thanks

Would be interesting to see the results...

**Big** · 07-21-2010, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Manhatten Project

I wondered why there gone too now. I have read for a long time and wanted to know about what I have as well. I found a laboratory that will test my bottles of growth but they want more money than I thought I was gonna have to pay. They told me they had recently done this for others and had already set up for this. Otherwise they had said it would have cost me about $1300.
I got some friends together and we are sending in 2 of our chinese bottles hopefully this week.
I will put it up here, the results they give us if that is ok? I read the rules again and it seems like its ok. and after reading a lot, it seems like no one is sure about blood testing for hgh. everyone seems to have a different opinion. it would be a waste of my time to do it.
I think like everyone else keeps saying that this is the only way to know. So I will do it. And I will post it.
Thanks

Fantomg, rmacgurn, how many accounts do you intend to start here?

**Xtralarg** · 07-21-2010, 05:40 PM

Well well well Mr fantom, you know it really is time that you were true to your name and became a phantom. There are many other boards that will welcome you with open arms but I’m afraid that you have burned your bridges here now, surely this is becoming embarrassing for you!

It’s time to give up now. Goodbye!