Fake HGH? Blue tops Generics

[jackjackson]

Hey all.


Been a long time since I posted a question.

I have been running blue top HGH's at 3iu per day 7 days a week for 3 months.
Just finishing up on it and my IGF-1 Levels came back at 285.

This seems Fake to me.
These were from China also

The first day I got them I used the whole bottle and felt swelling and aching in my joints.

let me add I was on test Eth and Deca and then switched over to Cyp and EQ.
Been running Adex AI EOD at 1mg.
T3 25mg per day, clen 40mg per day

285 seems low to me.
What do you guys think?

[marcus300]

Please read this thread Chinese HGH concerns
it may enlighten you

[jackjackson]

Reading it and it seems anything from China should just be considered fake.

[marcus300]

Reading it and it seems anything from China should just be considered fake.

I wouldnt say everything what comes out of China is fake but it is the capital for it, all you can do is get it tested or yourself, you did and the numbers are down.

Have you ever used pharm grade?

[jackjackson]

Nope never did pharm grade. If I had access to it I would give it a shot
Luckily I did not waste much money on these blues.
I have some somatropins Ip yellow tops.
This time after running for a week I will have bloodwork redone.
They look like this

IP yellow top hgh. what's the verdict on these?


Let me also add my blue tops had a vacuum to it also.

[jackjackson]

Source just told me this

normal range is between 109-280 so you are at the top end increase dosage 1-2iu that should put you over the top, 280 is good...

Let me add this also
I was told the bluetops were 5iu per vial.
So I put .5ml of BA water in each vial and used 3iu per day which would b .3 on a 1cc/ml syringe

Unless i was shooting less than 3iu's and these were 4iu Vials.

[frawnz]

most generics are 10 IUs per vial.

[fujitsupalm]

In my days I have used tons of blues, they used to be good, however, the past couple years the world is flooded with shed loads of different kinds from CN, which makes it impossible to select it by the color of the tops.

moved to also another CN brand, Hyget........pin, and they were good, and recommended by a friend with some yellow generics, and the yellows are great, work just as strong as the hyget.... all my friends that are staying on it year round have found continusous growth in competing mass by about 5kg for the past 2 yrs.

my point is, not all from CN are bad, but you just have to be so careful, and the investment in finding out the good source which may turn bad after a while may not be worth it for many.

[BJJ]

Hey all.


Been a long time since I posted a question.

I have been running blue top HGH's at 3iu per day 7 days a week for 3 months.
Just finishing up on it and my IGF-1 Levels came back at 285.

This seems Fake to me.
These were from China also

The first day I got them I used the whole bottle and felt swelling and aching in my joints.

let me add I was on test Eth and Deca and then switched over to Cyp and EQ.
Been running Adex AI EOD at 1mg.
T3 25mg per day, clen 40mg per day

285 seems low to me.
What do you guys think?

Why did not you run T4 instead?

[Inquisitor]

I have the yellow tops, with labels. Is there any way that I can use the labels to verify authenticity ?

[Xtralarg]

I posted this on my Chinese HGH concerns thread but will post here also for those who may be interested.

MY OPINION ON 'TOPS'

What we have to remember is that tops are nothing more and nothing less than tops! Anyone can buy vials and tops and produce 'blue tops' 'red tops' 'yellow tops' 'green tops' or any other colour you can think of. It says absolutely nothing about the quality, the amount or even the contents, I also think the same about labels which is mentioned in the post above. Its a bit like buying a plain white t shirt and calling it an Armani one, it may well be made by Armani but it’s more likely not to be.

Let’s think of this in a logical way....if I was making high quality HGH then I would be putting my name to it and sticking my label on that vial for the world to see, this would promote my company and enhance the brand image. So this makes me wonder that whoever is producing these plain vials with coloured tops in plain boxes has something to hide or at the very best they have very little to promote.

Thoughts guys and gals?

[Hazard]

Thats it dammit..... as soon as I get an extra $500 - i'm having mine tested..... eff this guessing game.....

~Haz~

[Matt]

Thats it dammit..... as soon as I get an extra $500 - i'm having mine tested..... eff this guessing game.....

~Haz~

Might save you some serious money in the long run....

[Xtralarg]

Thats it dammit..... as soon as I get an extra $500 - i'm having mine tested..... eff this guessing game.....

~Haz~

If you can find a lab to test a vail of HGH for $500 then let me know because im being quoted 1000's

[Hazard]

If you can find a lab to test a vail of HGH for $500 then let me know because im being quoted 1000's

If thats the case..... i'll keep injecting lead based HGH and hope it works..... i'm not paying a grand for that LOL

~Haz~

[Xtralarg]

If thats the case..... i'll keep injecting lead based HGH and hope it works..... i'm not paying a grand for that LOL

~Haz~

That’s understandable.

I have spoken to many labs and the concern thread has been open for a while now and nobody has come up with a lab that will do it. The reason is that to test hgh properly costs a small fortune and nobody will pay it. This makes me ask myself something, 'do the Chinese know this and rely upon it to evade detection?'. Well maybe they do or maybe they don’t, that’s something we won’t find out until we actually get some tested! Talk about a catch 22 situation

[Hazard]

That’s understandable.

I have spoken to many labs and the concern thread has been open for a while now and nobody has come up with a lab that will do it. The reason is that to test hgh properly costs a small fortune and nobody will pay it. This makes me ask myself something, 'do the Chinese know this and rely upon it to evade detection?'. Well maybe they do or maybe they don’t, that’s something we won’t find out until we actually get some tested! Talk about a catch 22 situation

Not only that..... but if I came up with a grand and had mine tested..... it wouldn't tell anyone else anything about their HGH. Mine could be overdosed..... or it could be powdered arsenic..... it wont help anyone else but myself to know.....

~Haz~

[Xtralarg]

Not only that..... but if I came up with a grand and had mine tested..... it wouldn't tell anyone else anything about their HGH. Mine could be overdosed..... or it could be powdered arsenic..... it wont help anyone else but myself to know.....

~Haz~

That’s very true, however if a few of us got our rHGH tested and we were all coming back with similar reports then it would help us see the bigger picture and find out exactly where we stand. It could be a massive confidence boost and work in our favour or it could expose a global scam.

In short we really need to find an independent lab that can test rHGH for a reasonable price.....let’s keep searching so we can get to the bottom of this.
A major problem we have in convincing guys to test their rHGH is that deep down they want to believe that its real and if you want to believe something then you can convince yourself to do so. Everyone I’ve spoken to who has had high quality pharm grade rHGH then swapped to Chinese says that the Chinese is rubbish, there is a reason for this and this is why we need to resolve the issue by testing our Chinese stuff.

[gymfu]

I have an idea on why some quality hgh might come without a label. A good freind of mine got some hgh that just had blue tops like discused above the box had nothing on it except the words "For reasrch use only." Maybe some of this stuff is coming out of labs for research purposes and isn't human grade? Just an idea.
Course China doesn't have the same rules as we do and there might not be any reason to make "research grade" stuff.

[Xtralarg]

I have an idea on why some quality hgh might come without a label. A good freind of mine got some hgh that just had blue tops like discused above the box had nothing on it except the words "For reasrch use only." Maybe some of this stuff is coming out of labs for research purposes and isn't human grade? Just an idea.
Course China doesn't have the same rules as we do and there might not be any reason to make "research grade" stuff.

It is an idea but we have to remember that rHGH cannot be made in a "bathtub" pharmacy (like steroids can) because the necessary equipment cost is multimillion-dollars and the technical knowledge includes genetic manipulation of e.coli bacteria, etc..
Very few places have this capability and are licensed to carry out such procedures even in China. Ok they may not be bothered about the licence but how many guy have millions and millions of dollars to spend along with the scientific knowledge required to make rHGH...not very many IMO.

[gymfu]

true

[JimInAK]

I've been taking blue tops from China for over a year now. I took IGF-1 blood tests before starting HGH, and then 30 days later (for about $100 each) and confirmed that my IGF-1 level had increased dramatically.

Best policy is "doveryai, no proveryai"... "trust, but verify", no doubt about that.

I've never used anything other than Chinese HGH, so I can't say anything about the quality difference. I can say that I have taken good Chinese blue tops.

[Sc0rch]

It is an idea but we have to remember that rHGH cannot be made in a "bathtub" pharmacy (like steroids can) because the necessary equipment cost is multimillion-dollars and the technical knowledge includes genetic manipulation of e.coli bacteria, etc..
Very few places have this capability and are licensed to carry out such procedures even in China. Ok they may not be bothered about the licence but how many guy have millions and millions of dollars to spend along with the scientific knowledge required to make rHGH...not very many IMO.

It is much less costly to produce 192aa so that's what some people may be getting.

After a while you might build up antibodies reducing it's effectiveness making you think it's not HGH.

[bk_in_houston]

Makes a lot of sense. I had great Jin and could totally tell it was real. Lost connection and bought blue tops with no labels in plain white box. Been on them a few weeks and they seem totally fake.

[bk_in_houston]

Wish there were an easy way to test the stuff. I'm also disgusted with the guessing game!