worth it to combine?

**millionairemurph** · 08-08-2010, 10:51 PM

I am closing out my aas cutting cycle shortly. I have a low body fat and have retained my muscle moderately well. I will be using igf-1 des 1,3 through pct, I have 2mg right now, and more is available to me if needed.

I have actually had great site specific growth with IGF-1 (rh) using 100mcg a day split bilatterally into my lower pecs. I did that every day for 3 weeks regardless of weights ( i do cardio everyday, I am an athlete first, bodybuilder second). I also seem to have had some good growth on the teardrop part of my quads, again using the same protocall, but only for 2 weeks. I didnt see immediate results, but the muscles seemed to mature even while on a low calorie diet.

This is why i am thinking i would see very good results using igf-1 during ( and beyond if it might be advantagous to do so), when i wont be in a calorie deficit. I plan on doing a somewhat higher calorie diet for the 6-8 weeks That i plan for my PCT.

I know that i will also use whatever IGF i have when priming for my next bulking cycle and possibly into my cycle.

My question is this: Would it be beneficial to me if i used the Igf -1 des 1, 3 in conjunction with IGF- 1 lr3? From what i have read about the Lr3, because of its longer active life I was thinking i could use both at the same time, kind of like the concept like Sustanon . Igf1 des 1,3 immediatly and long lasting effects from the Lr3.

I have had very good pct results running ghrp-6 at 150 mcg 3x ed and cjc 1295 DAC at 100mcg 3x ed both for 6 weeks, and I know from research because Igf1 ( any kind) slows production of natural HGH, so I wouldnt run them at the same time. I just have some IGF-1 des 1,3,.

What would you recomend I do?

Thank you for taking the time to read this long azz post

**millionairemurph** · 08-22-2010, 10:53 PM

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**ScotchGuard02** · 08-23-2010, 09:47 PM

If you can get your hands on real IGF-1, I'd skip the IGF-lr3. Many believe IGF-lr3 is bogus.

**millionairemurph** · 09-17-2010, 01:11 AM

I have axcess to ( what the source calls) rigf-1 (cheapest), igf-1 des 1,3, igf-1 lr3. I did get very very good results from the r igf-1, and i went hypo every time i sused it about an hour or so later. At 50 mcg split bilaterally.

**ScotchGuard02** · 09-17-2010, 03:51 AM

Did you stack with AAS or HGH?

**millionairemurph** · 09-20-2010, 03:43 PM

I will be running the igf-1 des 1,3 this time the last week of the cycle or so through pct. I havent yet done hgh, the cost is prohibitive. cjc/ghrp 6 has done wonders for muscle retention during pct and for fat loss as well. hgh frag 176-191 is the best "fat burner" i have ever used. No increase in heart rate, no loss of cardio, no jittery feeling.

**ScotchGuard02** · 09-21-2010, 08:05 AM

Let me see if I get this straight. You're running IGF-1 and you want to PCT with ghrp-6 at 150 mcg 3x ed and cjc 1295 DAC at 100mcg 3x ed? Is this right?

**Vitruvian-Man** · 09-21-2010, 09:03 AM

I wouldn't bother incorporating IGF-lr3...

I love using CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 for the duration of the PCT. The doses for the peptides are perfect.

Then use the IGF-1 as necessary. (IE) for the whole PCT... or PCT + time after...

You go hypo after each injection though? That must be insanely annoying to deal with :S

-VM

**millionairemurph** · 12-06-2010, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

Let me see if I get this straight. You're running IGF-1 and you want to PCT with ghrp-6 at 150 mcg 3x ed and cjc 1295 DAC at 100mcg 3x ed? Is this right?

No, I just stated i had great results with the ghrp6/cjc1295 combo during my last pct ( to give some background info) this pct I planned on using igf-1 des 1,3. I know that any exogenous Igf-1 slows or strunts endigenous hgh, so I WOULDNT run the two concurrently.

**millionairemurph** · 12-06-2010, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man

I wouldn't bother incorporating IGF-lr3...

I love using CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 for the duration of the PCT. The doses for the peptides are perfect.

Then use the IGF-1 as necessary. (IE) for the whole PCT... or PCT + time after...

You go hypo after each injection though? That must be insanely annoying to deal with :S

-VM

Well i would shoot the igf before lunch by 20-30 mins. Then i would eat a normal high protein, lowish carb lowish fat whole food meal. About 1-3 hours later I would make sure to have a protein/carb shake with me and when I got very shaky and light headed I would sit down and drink it. I would immediatly feel better and feel 100% in about ten minutes

**Userat204** · 12-10-2010, 12:48 AM

Did you end up using the igf DES. I have some of this and wondering how it worked for you. I have used lr3 several times and I really like it. I haven't used the DES yet. What type of dose are you using. From what I was told is that dosing is similar to lr3.