Story of first insulin lastnight and questions

**Neevor** · 08-11-2010, 10:09 AM

Hey guys, so I've been reading up on this stuff for about a year now and after seeing it brought up by so many of the more intermediate dudes and some vets I thought I'd give it a shot (no pun intended) now that I'm betwen cycles and have time to just see what this stuff does on its own to my body. So I went to my local walgreens yesterday and picked up 10mgs of HumulinR100 and after my workout I stabbed myself with 4IUs.

First I wanted to give a little detail on what I experienced because there seems to be very little of that in this section and then I had a couple questions as to why what happened did if anyone would like to hazard a guess.

BTW I'm 29 next month, 6'3", 225lbs, 8% bf. I've been bodybuilding for about 6 years and weight training for sports before that for about 10. I'd really like to put on 30lbs of muscle in the next 3 years, I've put on about 40 in the last 6 (took a 1 year break in between and lost some progress unfortunately)

Story

I drank my normal BCAAs and sugars during my workout and right after I got home I shot the 4IUs (within 10 minutes of my last rep) and proceeded to pound a coca cola (39gs of carbs) and about 12gs of dextrose. I then waited for about 10 minutes and drank about 65gs of whey concentrate (I went w my girl later lastnight and picked up some isolate for future workouts). So anyway, while we were making dinner I got kinda loopy and a little sleepy. Almost like a mixture of being drunk and having a concussion. I knew it was the insulin so I popped another 8 grams of dextrose. Then about an hour after my whey shake we ate (dinner was late cause my gf was late getting home, I wouldnt normally eat nearly 90 minutes after a work out but thats just my preference). After dinner (8oz sirloin, 6 oz chicken breast, 2 cups pasta, corn and broccoli I felt like my old self. I stayed up for 5 hrs after i took the shot to make sure everything was fine and pounded down about 60gs of casein before bed just to be sure. I slept like a damn rock after about 3am (tossed and turned till then).

Questions

Why in the world did I get so loopy after taking nearly 13gs of sugar and 15gs of protein per IU (RedBaron recommends 7gs of sugar). Is high fructose corn syrup in coke not simple enough? I also asked for dextrose at my supplement store last night and they didnt have any so I could either go to my other store and get it, or one thought I had was just grab some table sugar at the store for super cheap. Would table sugar not be simple enough? Also, was it the insulin that caused me to sleep so effin hard? Man if I had slept any harder I'd have had bruises! I didnt sleep hard until nearly 9 hours after I took the 4IUs so I'm thinkin no..

Anyway, I hope this helps anyone thinkin about tryin this stuff and that some more experienced dudes have some input here. Thanks a bunch guys.

**Chev** · 08-11-2010, 11:24 AM

Im researching all i can on this subject, keep us up to date on your progress if you can!

**Times Roman** · 08-11-2010, 11:44 AM

sounds like tragedy waiting to happen....

who's there with you while you learn about pinning slin?

**Neevor** · 08-11-2010, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

sounds like tragedy waiting to happen....

who's there with you while you learn about pinning slin?

Well that's helpful. My girlfriend.

**Times Roman** · 08-11-2010, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Neevor

Well that's helpful. My girlfriend.

that's good. JIC you lose consciousness and need help

**Neevor** · 08-11-2010, 12:40 PM

I'm pretty sure I'm not in any danger of that but thanks for your concern.

**Hazard** · 08-11-2010, 01:22 PM

My best friend pins 45iu's of slin per day when he does 13 day blasts..... he drinks lots of apple juice with honey..... never goes hypo and doesn't put on unwanted weight.

~Haz~

**Neevor** · 08-11-2010, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

My best friend pins 45iu's of slin per day when he does 13 day blasts..... he drinks lots of apple juice with honey..... never goes hypo and doesn't put on unwanted weight.

~Haz~

Yeah, I dont think I'm "takin my life in my own hands!" with 4IUs here. Maybe if I ran a marathon, shot up on the 13th mile and didnt eat all day and then went straight to bed.

I'm not running it with any AAS at the moment tho and so I don't have the fat burning benis of them, I wanna make sure I get the sugar intake right and not over do it.

**Hazard** · 08-11-2010, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Neevor

Yeah, I dont think I'm "takin my life in my own hands!" with 4IUs here. Maybe if I ran a marathon, shot up on the 13th mile and didnt eat all day and then went straight to bed.

I'm not running it with any AAS at the moment tho and so I don't have the fat burning benis of them, I wanna make sure I get the sugar intake right and not over do it.

If slin is done properly.... it can be very very beneficial. I've witnessed it first hand with my friend..... his results thus far have been over the top. However..... he's very very experienced and is running a very very strict routine.

with each 15iu shot i know he drinks apple juice (can't remember how much) with 6 table spoons of honey, 75grams of whey protein, a cup of oats, and a banana. His next meal is white rice and chicken.....

I'll have to get specifics from him and then come back and post what he does. Obviously you'll require much much less sugar while only being on 4iu's.

I plan on giving this stuff a run in another month or two. Going to work up to 10iu's PWO and see how that goes. I don't have the balls or the need to do his 45iu protocol lol

~Haz~

**Neevor** · 08-11-2010, 02:42 PM

Interesting on the 15iu shot protocol. I'll be interested to hear what you find out. Thanks for that.

Yeah man, I've seen you post on the topic before. Something along the lines of every time you you think you've got up the ballz you chicken out last minute lol. So far it doesn't seem so awful. I think the worst is over, I was a little worried last night when I felt myself become a little out of it. I know your wife isn't cool with the aas but if she was with the slin... well, it did make me feel a lot better that my woman was there watchin over me. Might ease your mind if yours was there the first few times as well.

Anyway, my goal is also to work up to 10ius this first time too, so I know what to expect and can incorporate in my next cycle this fall, my overall goal being able to get AAS, IGF, Insulin , HGH, and T3 all workin together in a few years. Insulin freaks me out the most so I figured I'd get that out of the way next.

**HawaiianPride.** · 08-11-2010, 03:09 PM

You interested in competing?

**Neevor** · 08-11-2010, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

You interested in competing?

Yes actually, this winter and next summer are going to be my test run for a mass gainer and then a diet. I was very successful with my diet this summer (only 9 weeks and dropped 18lbs of fat and gained two of muscle from 14% to 8%) and besides enjoying working out I have a head for numbers and enjoy the chemistry behind eliciting different responses from the body.

Anyway, I know you have to have genetics on your side as well as the drive but my buddies tell me I have the genetics and I know I've always been able to accomplish what I put my mind to. The next couple years will tell for sure I think. We shall see! Either way I'm excited to try.

**HawaiianPride.** · 08-11-2010, 03:42 PM

I figured you weren't considering all these compounds for nothing. I'm sure you'll do good. You have experience in nutrition and you know what works for you. That's the backbone behind competing. Genetics or not, put the hard work in and you'll get the rewards.

**Neevor** · 08-11-2010, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

I figured you weren't considering all these compounds for nothing. I'm sure you'll do good. You have experience in nutrition and you know what works for you. That's the backbone behind competing. Genetics or not, put the hard work in and you'll get the rewards.

Well thanks Hawaiian.

**Hazard** · 08-11-2010, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Neevor

Interesting on the 15iu shot protocol. I'll be interested to hear what you find out. Thanks for that.

Yeah man, I've seen you post on the topic before. Something along the lines of every time you you think you've got up the ballz you chicken out last minute lol. So far it doesn't seem so awful. I think the worst is over, I was a little worried last night when I felt myself become a little out of it. I know your wife isn't cool with the aas but if she was with the slin... well, it did make me feel a lot better that my woman was there watchin over me. Might ease your mind if yours was there the first few times as well.

Anyway, my goal is also to work up to 10ius this first time too, so I know what to expect and can incorporate in my next cycle this fall, my overall goal being able to get AAS, IGF, Insulin, HGH, and T3 all workin together in a few years. Insulin freaks me out the most so I figured I'd get that out of the way next.

LMAO yep..... i've chickened out twice but this time i'm good to go. I feel like I know enough and i'm watching my friend doit 1st hand and having good results so it's enough for me to give it a shot.

I'll be around familly for a couple hours after my injection..... after that i'll be around the wife and theres NO WAY she'll go for insulin either ahaha

~Haz~

**Neevor** · 08-13-2010, 09:45 AM

More thoughts and experiences after my second injection.

Wednesday was an off night so lastnight was my second injection. I changed a couple things. First I went from 4 IUs to 5. Secondly, I hammered down my sugar BEFORE I injected. This seemed to make a world of difference as I had no loopiness and only a tiny bit of tiredness. I'm guessing I was also being a little hyper sensitive the first time around and this time I knew I wasn't in any danger so I blew it off and behaved normally (watched porn, made dinner, talked on the phone w my gf, etc.) rather than just sitting and waiting to die lol.

So I think the lesson here is "don't freak yourself out too much. 4IUs isnt gonna kill anyone."

Haz, I'd still be interested to know what your buddy is takin when. Does he inject after every meal? More PWO?

Also, for anyone, I know RedBarron says something like 50g protein and 40g carbs as a meal after PWO injection but this is not very many calories! I usually eat like 1500 cals after my work outs (I need to eat around 5000 calories a day to grow due to a fast metabolism). Should I be eating more or sticking to RedBarron? I will mention that this meal I only ate about 6 oz of sirloin and a serving of pasta (42gs of carbs, 7gs of protein) and I was friggin starving within an hour but I didn't eat. I waited another hour and then drank 60gs of casein.

**Neevor** · 08-16-2010, 09:50 AM

So this weekend (Saturday and Sunday) I had my next two injections and they went off without a hitch. I think the trick for me is taking my sugar before I inject because I did 7.5IUs and 10IUs and felt just fine but both times I drank my sugar and then injected. So we shall see. I just had my body fat tested and I'm at 8.5% and 226lbs this week. I'm averaging about 4000 calories a day which is not a lot for me. We shall see where I'm at in 4 weeks now.

**dtrain000** · 08-17-2010, 01:23 AM

can u post a meal and intake plan for a first time slin user... any help would be great i think i have the meals down but i just want to see what others do. ill be starting with 5iu ed for 5 days then take 2 days off.. tell me what u think..

**dtrain000** · 08-17-2010, 01:24 AM

day 1
5iu after training with a weight gainer shake 50protien/100carb or 10carb per iu of slin

day 2
6iu after training with a weight gainer shake 50protien/100carb or 10carb per iu of slin

day 3
7iu after training with a weight gainer shake 50protien/100carb or 10carb per iu of slin

day 4
8iu after training with a weight gainer shake 50protien/100carb or 10carb per iu of slin

day 5
9iu after training with a weight gainer shake 50protien/100carb or 10carb per iu of slin

2days off

rest of cycle

10iu for 5days with 2 days off, with a weight gainer shake 50protien/100carb or 10carb per iu of slin

After the slin and weight gainer shake you will need to consume a meal every hour for 3hours of low fat
high protein and 10g carbs per iu of slin. 4th hour after the jab of slin you are safe.

Keep a can of full sugar drink on hand and if you feel tired consume the can and make your next meal.

DO NOT SLEEP WITHIN 4 HOURS OF TAKING SLIN YOU COULD MISS YOUR MEAL AND SUGAR LEVELS COULD BE DANGEOUSLY
LOW.

in the 4hours from the moment you jab until 4 hours later you take in as little fat as possible
it helps you keep your diet on check as well by forcing you to ewat the right foods
insulin is more anobolic than steroids when used correctly

thats what my source told me to do.... what u think

**Neevor** · 08-17-2010, 11:47 AM

Most of what you are saying seems to be good info for a general user although just from my experience I can tell you that I did not need to ramp up that slowly or train for 6 days straight. My shots went from 4IUs, to 5IUs, to 7.5IUs to 10IUs. I felt comfortable making those jumps.

You're source? For insulin ? Do you live in the US? Cause you can just buy insulin at any pharmacy..

I think the 10grams of carbs per IU is also a bit high. When I did my 10IU shot last I only had about 60grams of carbs and 70grams of protein and then 45 minutes later I ate about 40 grams of carbs and 50 grams of protein. I did about 20 minutes of cardio w the girlfriend and then ate 2 hours later and didnt experience any dizziness or sleepiness. I am really shooting for the right amount of carbs. Not too much and not too little. I'm thinking that if I don't get dizzy or sleepy I ate enough. If anyone has better info on this (why you would want more carbs than enough to keep you from being depleated) I would love to hear it. I'm thinking that if you dont get dizzy it means you have enough sugar to run your brain and eating more carbs would just get converted to fat?

I also would hesitate to say that insulin is more anabolic than steroids . They act differently and I think you'd need to show me more information before I could make an informed decision here. Steroids increase the amount of repairs a muscle can make to damaged muscle cells while insulin helps store and deliver glucose and glycogen (energy). Thats the extent to which I can speak with certainty about what these two do. Very different tho. Seems to be without test theres no muscle growth, without energy theres no muscle breakdown and repair.

Anyway, just go slow and make sure someone who knows what you are doing is with you in case you run into trouble (doubtful, but just to be on the safe side).

**Neevor** · 08-25-2010, 09:16 AM

So I just wanted to add to this thread that last night I was able to replicate what happened the first time I took my insulin . I waited for about half an hour after my workout to inject and then I waited 5 minutes to drink my sugar. Then i only drank about 40grams to start, then once I started feeling sleepy and woozy I immediately drank another 40 and within about 15 minutes I felt better. I just wanted to confirm why the side effects I felt the first time happened.

Otherwise, things are going well. I am gaining a little weight and have definately increased in body fat a little but my strength has increased as well (for example my tricep push down has gone from 140lbs 6 times to 180lbs 5 times last time I was at the gym). I'll post one more update in a couple weeks when I finish my injections. Hope all this helps someone!

**Chev** · 08-25-2010, 12:04 PM

good stuff.

**LBSOMEIRON** · 09-05-2010, 07:08 PM

This is good stuff.
I've been competing for years, but igf and slim have never been in my protocol. Very interested in hearing any reccomendations. It seems like starting with 5iu after training with 50g of carbs works. I'm 215 and 7% right now. Does waxy maize suffice? Not a fan of straight sugar (ie pop) but will do whatever necessary.

Thinking 5iu then 50/50 waxy/isolate post. Then another 50/50 in the form oats and egg whites within the hour.

I train first thing in morning. Is there an issue with taking 5ius on a completely empty stomach?

Sounds like maybe I should drink half the shake before injecting?

Your expertise is well appreciated.

Sorry to bombard your thread but maybe it'll help others.