LR3 IGF-1 for cartilage regrowth (long, please help)

**NeckerCube** · 09-20-2010, 04:55 AM

Hello to all of you..

I noticed this forum has vast knowledge about steroids , so I guess this is the right place to ask.

I'm 24 now, and I was a wrestler for like 15 years. Never had a single injury. Until 3 years ago. I dislocated my right shoulder on preparations for world wrestling championship. I went to hospital immediately even tho I never ever experienced such pain in my life, doctors told me that I just stretched my ligaments and that I should rest.

I rested for 6 months, no training whatsoever, and after that I started to train very light. One year after first dislocation, my shoulder popped out again. Again I went to see my doctor and again same diagnosis, just a stretch. So I went to a private specialist and the end result was operation. I had literally completely torn apart every single ligament in my shoulder, torn biceps tendon (which btw pulled part of bone with it), and heavily damaged my cartilage.

Now, after 3 surgeries, 5 anchors (screws) in my shoulder, and heavy arthritis with multiple ostephytes and thin cartilage, my movements are very limited. Doctors say they can't do anything, they're just waiting cartilage to wear out and they'll put artificial shoulder.

Well, artificial shoulder is NOT and option for me. Not until I use EVERY single alternative solution.

I read much about IGF-1 LR3 and have read many people had major success with cartilage rehab. I was thinking on ordering Revitropin, but my major question is how to use it most efficiently?
What would the dosage be?
Should I stack it with something?
How long should I take it?
What are the side effects?
Should I train while on it, or rest my shoulder?

And most importantly, your experience with it.

Thank you very much!

**NeckerCube** · 09-26-2010, 03:04 AM

bump, any info?

**ScotchGuard02** · 09-26-2010, 04:29 AM

HGH does help with joints but it's not a magic bullet. I have bum joints and have been on HGH for a couple of years. It seems to make my joints feel better. It took about 6 months for me to fee the effects. I've just finished a Deca /EQ/Test + HGH in low doses primarily to reduce sides and to help my joints. My tendonitis in my elbow has gone away. Taking HGH will help your shoulder but it will hurt your natural pulses of HGH, at your age. That's a tough decision you should think about.

**SlimmerMe** · 09-26-2010, 09:21 AM

I am not trying to be trite by saying this: try some very light yoga and I bet within a few months you could see some significant healing. It worked for me. I had a ripped shoulder..4 docs....yes 4...wanted to perform surgery. I did yoga and within 3-4 months...incredible magical results. amazing how the body can heal if done slowly and with intention and patience. Try it. Good luck to you. I do think hgh helps too.

**HawaiianPride.** · 09-26-2010, 09:35 AM

LR3 IGF-1 can be injected under the tendon sheaths to help speed recovery from tendon tears or chronic tendonitis. The anabolic properties can also complement the activities of many other joint-recovery compounds.

**NeckerCube** · 09-28-2010, 04:54 AM

Thanks for the all answers.
My first surgery was 3 years ago. Since then, I've tried, and still doing all kinds of rehab. Traditional, shiatsu, yoga, anything that could help in any kind. But the overall picture is getting worse as time passes.

If I did my homework good, nothing I do can heal cartilage without IGF-1 and GH. IGF-1 is directly responsible for cell growth and proliferation. Major benefits of GH comes from IGF-1 which is produced in liver when it's destroying GH. And cells that have most receptors for IGF-1 are muscles, CARTILAGE, skin, nerves, bone, liver, kidney.

I'm aware of the problem with injecting IGF-1 (or GH, they're directly affected by negative feedback) is that it affects/decreases natural GH/IGF-1 cycle. As major GH spike is at sleep, I'd inject IGF-1 around 6AM and 2PM (as half life of IGF-1 R3 is 8 hours), so by the 10PM and sleep time, it's cleared from system and doesn't interrupt natural GH sleep cycle. Cycle would be 4 weeks on, 4 weeks of, as body tends to build resistance to it.

I was thinking on combining GH and IGF-1 as they tend to create synergy.
Also, I saw that people highly suggest taking Deca with it as it dramatically increases collagen synthesis, which is important for cartilage.

And info on that?

**ScotchGuard02** · 09-29-2010, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by NeckerCube

Thanks for the all answers.
My first surgery was 3 years ago. Since then, I've tried, and still doing all kinds of rehab. Traditional, shiatsu, yoga, anything that could help in any kind. But the overall picture is getting worse as time passes.

A guy in the gym went under the knife for his shoulders that constantly popped out. He said he wasn't the same after the surgery. I hope that's not the same in your case.

If I did my homework good, nothing I do can heal cartilage without IGF-1 and GH. IGF-1 is directly responsible for cell growth and proliferation. Major benefits of GH comes from IGF-1 which is produced in liver when it's destroying GH. And cells that have most receptors for IGF-1 are muscles, CARTILAGE, skin, nerves, bone, liver, kidney.

I'm aware of the problem with injecting IGF-1 (or GH, they're directly affected by negative feedback) is that it affects/decreases natural GH/IGF-1 cycle. As major GH spike is at sleep, I'd inject IGF-1 around 6AM and 2PM (as half life of IGF-1 R3 is 8 hours), so by the 10PM and sleep time, it's cleared from system and doesn't interrupt natural GH sleep cycle. Cycle would be 4 weeks on, 4 weeks of, as body tends to build resistance to it.

You're smart taking precautions. Your logic seems sound. Even with the best planning you're still introducing synthetic substances into your body and your body will adjust. In your case, you have to decide if the increase in healing is worth the small negative effects of introducing synthetic HGH/IGF into your body. For me, I was willing to do almost anything to get relief from my knee pains.

I was thinking on combining GH and IGF-1 as they tend to create synergy.
Also, I saw that people highly suggest taking Deca with it as it dramatically increases collagen synthesis, which is important for cartilage.

I've done both. I mixed HGH/IGF-lr3 (I couldn't get IGF-1) and used Deca for joints. It definitely feels better. I was on HGH/IGF-lr3 for 2 cycles of 3 months. Deca, I was on 150mg + 100mg EQ + 150mg Test per week for 10 weeks. I was more interested in collagen synthesis over anabolic results. Still got anabolic results but litte/no sides like acne.

And info on that?

If you're going to use Deca, I'd recommend low dose like 150mg/wk. I'd also combine Deca with 150mg/wk of Test E to maintain your endogenous level of Test. Hope you feel better.

**NeckerCube** · 10-03-2010, 11:00 AM

Thanks again for answers..
To state again, my primary and only goal is to heal cartilage.

I did my homework again. With the first shot of Deca , my body will immediately shut down it's own production of Test. So I'd have to take Test with it.
As Deca's typical cycle is 12-16 weeks, I'd have to take Test for the same length. So, I'd need pretty much some sort of PCT like Nolva, HCG , Tribulus.

But my primary concern is, will I do any permanent damage running this stack for 16 weeks?
1. IGF-1
2. GH
3. Deca
4. Test E

**LiftEatRestRepeat** · 08-25-2015, 02:53 PM

Bump, just wondering if Necker had any luck with regaining any cartilage?

**ambernightly** · 08-26-2015, 11:47 AM

I had a lot of success with fixing a cervical injury involving cartilage via progesterone supplementation... But being a woman I can take 100-200mg/day of Prometrium (bioidentical progesterone) and not have issues with it like men would have. However I would recommend getting your prolactin level checked and if it's low enough then you could supplement Prometrium to help with cartilage regrowth.

Ref the I just found.... Prolly a lot of other examples online about this too Blocking Tissue Destruction