HGH is twisting my brain

**Rock2011** · 11-30-2010, 09:03 PM

First of all i salute this forum. without this site i won't be knowing much about the HGH and related stuffs. I am new to this forum and very please with all the veterans helping the new comers.

I am a competitive amature bodybuiler since 2008. i won many titles naturally till last Feb i decided to use AAS. Now i have done couple of AAS cycle and want to include HGH to further enhance my competitive career.

My Stats:
Height - 5'11
Weight - 222 lbs
BF - 12-14%
Age- 33 yrs
Training Exprience - 7 years

After researching and reading all the blogs i am confused whether to use HGH in my next AAS cycle or not. My concern is using hgh for 5 months, ED at 5iu for my next competition in june is futile or make me rounder with 3D look from all the angle. Some members here advise to stick with aas for muscle building purpose and i am impressed by mighty1 advice to go for hgh at any cost and constraints. I like the comparasion between Arnold and Gunter and the hyperplasia on the rounder shoulders and traps. I always enjoy his post.On the other side, if hgh is only for fat buring and tight looking, i would rather concentrate on aas, cardio and diet.

My next cycle is Jan and i need exprienced advice to decode my mind on hgh and move foward. I am also confused with the chemistry, if hgh builds muscle fibers and make us big, than during the non cycling of hgh why do we lose muscle tissue that we expend so much to build. I agree with loosing the gains from aas during off season.

Thanks

**Rock2011** · 12-01-2010, 09:08 PM

I am patiently waiting. Any suggestions.

**SlimmerMe** · 12-02-2010, 05:05 AM

not clear as to what you are after....

**turk1968** · 12-02-2010, 06:30 AM

Many will tell you to run the hgh before you use aas to create new fibres which are then volumised by the aas . This is i believe totally dose dependant. At lower doses you tend to see the fat loss more in the mirror rather than the increase in muscle fibres which leads to the low dose fat loss theory. Hgh is great at any time for your condition . You have only got to see the amount of questions asked in this forum to realise the degree of opinions of how and when to take it . Everyone is looking for that magical protocal ( big shots 3 x per week , 5/2 ,6/1 , with carbs ,without carbs ,am pm etc etc ). Possibly people are getting too involved in the protocal rather than making sure they get good quality hgh to start with , eat quality food ,train hard , sleep well and take your hgh !.I am sure if hgh was cheeper then maybe people would not make such an issue about it . Its a big investment which you want to use to its maximum capacity which leads to the multitude of questions. I am a bit confused to exactly what you are asking or what you mean by the "non cycling of hgh losing gains". When ever you remove any anabolic substance from the body you risk losing muscle fibre size. As to whether you lose the actual muscle fibres you have built with the hgh im not sure . Im no expert but from my 4 years of hgh usage i will stay on it for life as long as i can afford it as for me it allows you to bulk and keep in better condition and definately makes me feel better mentally when cutting as well as aiding fat loss along with diet and cardio of course .5ius a day of QUALITY HGH for 5 months along with all the other aspects of bodybuilding will in my opinion make a noticable difference. I competed in my twenties 3 times, only using hgh once and with hgh i was in my best condition by far but there are other varibles to consider as always. The choice my friend is yours . Best of luck

**SlimmerMe** · 12-02-2010, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Rock2011

Thanks turk1968. I plan on running hgh alone for 1 month and then stack with test 750mg Weekly, anadrol 50mg ed for 5weeks, T4, IGF-1 lr3, masteron , slin, hgh 5iu ed, winstrol . The cycle is for 16 weeks. The dose and period for each stuff will vary as per the changes in physique.its going to be very harsh cycle.

My concern is will i lose muscle fiber build from hgh once i stop after 6months. If i do lose its very demotivating after spending so much on hgh. I am very glad to learn that i will see really good gains after 5 months from the use of hgh combo with aas.

Please be very careful with this. Have you done your research? Please start a new thread on your cycle since it seems very strong and might need input from the seasoned vets here. Welcome.
and when you do, stats please. THANKS>

**ScotchGuard02** · 12-02-2010, 04:13 PM

There's a post from BIG that basically states that the amount of gains you will keep is how much your body in naturally able to sustain. If your body can only sustain 225lbs because that's what your body metabolism and diet dictates, that's what you'll hold onto. I run HGH constantly throughout the year. I can keep more gains with HGH. I'm also 50 so, my body metabolism is much slower than yours. Good luck. Get HUGE!

**Rock2011** · 12-02-2010, 06:54 PM

Thanks turk1968. I plan on running hgh alone for 1 month and then stack with test 750mg Weekly, anadrol 50mg ed for 5weeks, T4, IGF-1 lr3, masteron , slin, hgh 5iu ed, winstrol . The cycle is for 16 weeks. The dose and period for each stuff will vary as per the changes in physique.its going to be very harsh cycle.

My concern is will i lose muscle fiber build from hgh once i stop after 6months. If i do lose its very demotivating after spending so much on hgh. I am very glad to learn that i will see really good gains after 5 months from the use of hgh combo with aas.

**turk1968** · 12-02-2010, 07:13 PM

Have you reasearched the IGF1 lr3( lots of mixed reviews) . May be worth looking into before you spend your money as there are lots of differing opinions as to its usefullness . From memory this was debated to death about 3-4 years ago when i first became a member. Are you leaving the winstrol till towards the end as that and anadrol are both pretty harsh on the liver!

**Rock2011** · 12-03-2010, 01:36 AM

i have done some research on igf1 lr3 and insulin . Every post and article seems contradictry. But quite confident to include them in my cycle. Winny is left towards the last six weeks due to its severe toxicity on the liver. Considering hgh is legit, will i see the gains after 2 months. I am also going to be very careful with the slin. I learned that the stirations on the glutes is only visible with the use of hgh with aas. My metabolism is quite high and i think i am going to keep most of the gains from hgh. Can our body take 10iu at one shot. Thanks

**turk1968** · 12-03-2010, 02:41 AM

Your losing me here, 10 ius of what ,hgh or slin? If you have never used either slin hgh or igf then i think it will be pretty hard to tell what is doing what . The art to cycling any substance is to work out how it affects you then, within time from sensible cycling. you yourself can work out what is best for you from observations of your changes in your own physique .As far as striations are concerned these appear on there own at very low body fat and rearly isnt just due to hgh usage.Its diet and cardio with an amount of aas to try to hold on to your muscle mass when negative of calories whilst stripping the fat .

Also if you are competing in June this cycle of 16 weeks starting in Jan will finish end of April leaving only 4-8 weeks before you compete. ? Or is this going to be run up till your competition ?

**Rock2011** · 12-03-2010, 08:35 AM

I am mean 10iu of hgh. never mind, i will try from the very low dose of 2iu a day upto 5 iu. just curious whether body can take 10iu at one shot. I never got striations on my glutes even at 7% bodyfat.But that was two years back when i was 100% natural just food, cardio and training. I did not compete in 2010. My cycle starts from Feb and 1st week june will be the contest. its about 16-17 weeks. I mean to run hgh solo in the jan and feb i will stack with aas. The hgh will run till the competition finishes. Some says with the use of hgh you can hold your body weight at constant level and lose only fats. I feel its myth. When fats strip-off naturallyy bodyweight comes down. Moreover during the precontest diet and cardio, its hard to keep the bodyweight constant. Thanks for clearing most of my doubts.