**HGH and Insulin Release**

[Twist]

So if you eat carbs at bedtime will hgh not be released?

talking about without supplementation of gh or slin.

[gixxerboy1]

were did you hear that

[Sgt. Hartman]

So if you eat carbs at bedtime will hgh not be released?

talking about without supplementation of gh or slin.

Peaking your insulin level will inhibit the release of GH. But it doesn't really matter because the biggest pulse is released 1 - 2 hrs after falling asleep when insulin levels have had time to stabilize.

Why would you want to eat simple sugar right before bed anyway?

[Twist]

I was reading here a while ago and I saw something like don't inject close to eating simple carbs because it will lead to diabetes for some reason. I don't remember what it was exactly. I thought it was the gh doesn't let the insulin spike so the blood sugar floats around or something like that. idk. Can someone clarify how that works please.

[marcus300]

I think what you have read is when your taking HGH you don't have carbs an hour either side of the injection because it will knock your glucose numbers right out of the window so if you did have them to close it will have an effect on your body up-taking glucose and you really dont want to be having to much sugars floating around in your blood stream.

[Sgt. Hartman]

From a study on HIV wasting patients given GH -

[3] More significant, many investigators found that growth hormone impairs the ability of insulin to decrease hepatic glucose production and also decreases glucose uptake and use, resulting in insulin resistance.[3,4] The mechanism behind its effects on carbohydrate metabolism is not clear, and many physiologic factors may be involved.[3]

[gixxerboy1]

^^^ exactly. I'm a diabetic and have to increase my insulin if i run gh. That why in the other threads on here where people are reporting symptoms of hypo with GH i doubt they have real gh

[SlimmerMe]

I was reading here a while ago and I saw something like don't inject close to eating simple carbs because it will lead to diabetes for some reason. I don't remember what it was exactly. I thought it was the gh doesn't let the insulin spike so the blood sugar floats around or something like that. idk. Can someone clarify how that works please.

if injected near carbs over and over it could lead to diabetes.....

[gixxerboy1]

if injected near carbs over and over it could lead to diabetes.....

do you have any proof of that

[SlimmerMe]

"HGH is a insulin agonist. If you eat carbs right after you inject HGH the carbs will break down into sugar but due to the lack of insulin it stays in the blood stream. Too much sugar in the blood stream is not very good for you." (from scotchguard)

HGH slows your glucose intake so after a long period of time of exposed sugar levels by eating carbs close to injection time could lead to diabetes ...I have read more on this around here but this is what I have for now....

on a personal note: after 6 months of gh, my A1C level skyrocketed to borderline diabetes 2

[marcus300]

Taking hgh for long periods of time especially above normal prescribed dosages can lead to insulin intolerance. There have also been studies performed which showed blood sugar imbalances and in some cases diabetes, ive got an article stored on my computer somewhere what talks about this, I will try and find it and post it.

[Sgt. Hartman]

do you have any proof of that

There's a bunch of studies that show that eating simple carbs around GH injection time causes hyperglycemia and insulin resistance. If done repetitively, the next logical progression would be type 2 diabetes.

I read a study a while back on AIDS patients where taking 6mg GH a day and it caused them to be hyerglycemic almost all day, not just around injection time. They stopped the study early and most of them recovered well but around 10% or so went on to develop type II. Who knows if healthy adults react the same way as HIV patient though?

[Isma]

Then, in your opinion which is the SAFEST way to use HGH?

Far from the carbs intake?

[marcus300]

Then, in your opinion which is the SAFEST way to use HGH?

Far from the carbs intake?

Dont have carbs an hour either side of your hgh injection

[Isma]

Thanks, but then, when you use it, you don't inject in the morning?

Or stay more hours after sleeping without carbs? Is not contraproductive? Glycogen stores are empty...

[gixxerboy1]

Taking hgh for long periods of time especially above normal prescribed dosages can lead to insulin intolerance. There have also been studies performed which showed blood sugar imbalances and in some cases diabetes, ive got an article stored on my computer somewhere what talks about this, I will try and find it and post it.

i would like to see that study. I know it can cause insulin resistance for hours after injection. I never seen a study saying that it will be an irreversible effect leading to diabetes.

[marcus300]

i would like to see that study. I know it can cause insulin resistance for hours after injection. I never seen a study saying that it will be an irreversible effect leading to diabetes.

Ive just done a quick search and Ive found both sides of the argument, which is something I always come across with studies.

To only paint a picture of growth hormone doing good things would be an injustice. The truth is, there can be many HGH side effects with the use of human growth hormone and it can also put a person at risk for other diseases. HGH side effects include an increase in blood pressure, fluid retention, carpal tunnel syndrome, and joint pain. 11,13,14 The use of growth hormone has also been tied to an increase in insulin resistance which leads to diabetes. 12,16 Diabetes as a result of HGH supplementation was also reported by Dr. Rudman in his report. 11 One man used HGH successfully for a time, but eventually came down with diabetes which doctors linked to his growth hormone use. 12 A 6 month study on the side effects of HGH on diabetes showed that while insulin resistance was at first increased, after 6 months of growth hormone use the testers' insulin levels returned to the levels before their growth hormone use.

The claim that human growth hormone is a cause of diabetes is surprising since two medical studies state just the opposite, that in fact IGF-1 could be a replacement for insulin. These two studies, reported in 1991 in Medical World News, had the results of these tests. Dr. Zenobi of the University of Zurich in Switzerland observed that when IGF-1 levels were increased, blood glucose, insulin, and c-peptide levels were significantly lowered. He reported that type-II diabetes may be reduced by growth hormone's use. 15 Along with Dr. Zenobi's results were those of Dr. Schalch of the University of Wisconsin . His test results demonstrated a decrease in the levels of blood glucose and insulin levels with the use of growth hormone. 15 These results appear to be entirely contradictory to each other and display the confusion there is in the growth hormone field. How can human growth hormone both cause diabetes in some, yet in medical studies be linked to its decrease? It is an area which is quite unclear. It is possible that those who have diabetes already may respond differently to the hormone's use than those who do not yet have the disease. Another possible explanation is that the differing results may be due to the amount of time taking growth hormone. In Dr. Zenobi's study, his results were measured after only 5 days of growth hormone use. The boom of HGH use in the elderly in the past 10 years is not surprising. It is clear that many people would rather possibly cut their life short by a year but live each year to its fullest. This thought seems to come up consistently with each elderly person who uses it. Alan Mendelssohn, a senior who, along with his wife, takes growth hormone, sums it up by saying, “We want to feel as good and look as good as we can.” 12

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11. Rudman et al. “ Effects of human growth hormone in men over 60 years old.” New England Journal of Medicine 1990 323: 1-6.

12. King, Marsha. “Finding fountain of youth…or dangerous waters?” Seattle Times 11 May 2003: A1.

13. Salomon F, et al. “The effects of treatment with recombinant human growth hormone on body composition and metabolism in adults with growth hormone deficiency.” New England Journal of Medicine 1989;321:1797-1803
14. Russell, Sabin. “Aging Baby Boomers turn to hormone – Some doctors concerned about growing ‘off-label' use of drug.” San Francisco Chronicle 17 Nov 2003 : A1.

15. Medical World News . August 1991 v32 n8 p12(1).

16. Simon, Cecilia. “Big on HGH? Human Growth Hormone Helps Small Kids Grow, but Some Call its Wider Use Shortsighted.” Washington Post 30 Sept. 2003 : F1

[Isma]

Thanks, great info.

[ScotchGuard02]

K, I'm no scientist but I watched a TV show once about them. :O My mom's a diabetic. I've been hearing about this "don't eat carbs 1hr each side of HGH shot" for a while now so I thought I'd test it. HGH is supposed to be an insulin agonist, right? So I go visit my mom and snag her blood tester. I take my HGH shot and eat 4 crispy cream donuts. 30 minutes later I test my blood sugar. It's like past 200. Next day, I just eat the same 4 crispy cream donuts and measure my blood sugar and I'm in low 100's. This is not very scientific because I didn't follow and exact diet for xxx number of days and control all other variables exactly. But this simple test just tells me that eating 4 crispy cream donuts after an HGH shot is not a good thing for my body.

[gixxerboy1]

i dont think eating 4 crispy cremes is good for anyones body

[Twist]

So I'm kinda screwed because there is no waking time in which I am not ingesting carbs. Especially there is no hour in which I don't ingest carbs (nevermind two hours).

But this is all with injecting hgh, it doesn't apply at all to natural pulses right? I eat carbs before bed and don't want it to eliminate my natural pulses. I will set an alarm to wake up and inject I guess.

[ScotchGuard02]

I pin right after I wake up. I mean as I'm rolling out of bed I'm reaching for my slin pin. By the time I do my morning routine 30 min to 45 min has gone by and I'm ready to eat my frosted flakes. gixxerboy1, touche you're exactly right. I'm justifying to myself that eating donuts, that I LOVE, was for science. LOL

[Twist]

WOuldn't the body not release a natural gh pulse if there was a lot of blood sugar because of the effect gh will have on inhibiting its uptake? Therefore if you eat carbs before bed you might be stopping the release of gh? Or is the carbs cleared from your body in the two hours so the gh is released anyway?

[SlimmerMe]

WOuldn't the body not release a natural gh pulse if there was a lot of blood sugar because of the effect gh will have on inhibiting its uptake? Therefore if you eat carbs before bed you might be stopping the release of gh? Or is the carbs cleared from your body in the two hours so the gh is released anyway?

I have not heard of this. I can see where you are coming from but I think the carbs are only related to "injecting" near the carbs. But a good theory none-the-less. Might be something to it. We shall wait and see.

On a different note to get the BIGGEST PULSE IN MY OPINION:

The best thing I know of from all I have read on this is: GO TO BED EARLY. I wish I could do this myself. I truly think that going to bed somewhere between 10-12 is ideal so you are already into deep sleep by and no later than 2 am ( ideally a bit earlier) in order to coincide with nature's circadian rhythm. This "near" 2AM time would be a couple hours after falling asleep (which is the heaviest pulse in a 24 hour period.) And since shortly thereafter, between 3-4, cortisol starts kicking in into wake up mode; hence why injecting somewhere between 4-6 AM is premium so you blunt the cortisol.

so....This IMO would be the premium time to go to bed IF WE COULD FOLLOW THIS to get the most bang for the buck for the top of the line hgh pulse.

[Twist]

I have not heard of this. I can see where you are coming from but I think the carbs are only related to "injecting" near the carbs. But a good theory none-the-less. Might be something to it. We shall wait and see.

On a different note to get the BIGGEST PULSE IN MY OPINION:

The best thing I know of from all I have read on this is: GO TO BED EARLY. I wish I could do this myself. I truly think that going to bed somewhere between 10-12 is ideal so you are already into deep sleep by and no later than 2 am ( ideally a bit earlier) in order to coincide with nature's circadian rhythm. This "near" 2AM time would be a couple hours after falling asleep (which is the heaviest pulse in a 24 hour period.) And since shortly thereafter, between 3-4, cortisol starts kicking in into wake up mode; hence why injecting somewhere between 4-6 AM is premium so you blunt the cortisol.

so....This IMO would be the premium time to go to bed IF WE COULD FOLLOW THIS to get the most bang for the buck for the top of the line hgh pulse.

great info here slim. I'll try it out

[SlimmerMe]

great info here slim. I'll try it out

Good....and I forgot to mention a little GABA before bed helps too.....

[Twist]

Good....and I forgot to mention a little GABA before bed helps too.....

why?

[SlimmerMe]

Gaba can stimulate the pituitary gland. I take it about an hour before bed to help calm me down.... along with a bit of melatonin too.

[ScotchGuard02]

It takes a while for you to go into REM sleep and it's in REM sleep that the GH pulses are released. Unless you're OD'ing on sugar it's not a problem with GH pulses.

[Twist]

Gaba can stimulate the pituitary gland. I take it about an hour before bed to help calm me down.... along with a bit of melatonin too.

Got it. Will buy when I reup on supps this or next month. Thanks yo

It takes a while for you to go into REM sleep and it's in REM sleep that the GH pulses are released. Unless you're OD'ing on sugar it's not a problem with GH pulses.

I take in a large amount of carbs at every meal and in between meals.