1hr fast post GH injection?

**cache49** · 10-10-2011, 06:36 AM

Good morning all, i have a question regarding the fasting period post morning injection of my HGH. Most literature i have read supports that the vast majority of ppl choose the method of injections first thing upon waking and then waiting one hour before eating? My guess is that this is simply to avoid any insulinn spike or gylcemic index action while the GH takes it time to disipate evenly. I could be waaaay off...this is just an educated guess? I am pinning 5iu's a day, 5on/2off......All 5ui's in single dose at 5am......first meal at six. Thoughts or suggestions? ....off to work! Thank you all.....

**littlebill** · 10-10-2011, 07:12 AM

Well research shows a subQ pin peaks your IGF-1 between 1.5-3 hours post pin. So before bed no worries and in the morning I pin right after rising- wait an hour then eat and we know HGH is absorbed best in a hypo glycemic state so the answer for peak absorption is YES. Only exception would be if you pin post workout. You are the most hypoglycemic you will be all day and your body will suck it up like a sponge. Pin- wait 30 then- post workout meal

**cache49** · 10-10-2011, 11:14 PM

Thank you, i will try that protocol if i decide to split my doses.....good info. Cheers.

**Bonaparte** · 10-10-2011, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by littlebill

Well research shows a subQ pin peaks your IGF-1 between 1.5-3 hours post pin. So before bed no worries and in the morning I pin right after rising- wait an hour then eat and we know HGH is absorbed best in a hypo glycemic state so the answer for peak absorption is YES. Only exception would be if you pin post workout. You are the most hypoglycemic you will be all day and your body will suck it up like a sponge. Pin- wait 30 then- post workout meal

The HGH doesn't need to be absorbed, since you're injecting it.
I believe it is the conversion of GH to IGF-1 in the liver that is blunted by carbohydrate intake.

**cache49** · 10-10-2011, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

The HGH doesn't need to be absorbed, since you're injecting it.
I believe it is the conversion of GH to IGF-1 in the liver that is blunted by carbohydrate intake.

That being said the best go would then still be to wait the hour before intaking carbs w breaky, also....on this note i like to drink tea in the am.....will splenda and sugar free sweetener cause any issue here?

**cache49** · 10-10-2011, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

The HGH doesn't need to be absorbed, since you're injecting it.
I believe it is the conversion of GH to IGF-1 in the liver that is blunted by carbohydrate intake.

That being said the best go would then still be to wait the hour before intaking carbs w breaky, also....on this note i like to drink tea in the am.....will splenda and sugar free sweetener cause any issue here?

**ata1979** · 10-10-2011, 11:34 PM

I like to wake up at 430am, pin and go back to bed till 7, wake up and have my eggs. My second pin is when I get home from work around 630pm. I'll pin, go right to the gym, hit the cardio for about 30 minutes, workout for an hour, go home and have my shake.

**cache49** · 10-10-2011, 11:44 PM

Sounds like a solid routine, unfortunately with my work im not afforded the luxury of that (going back to bed) I wake up, pin right away, make all meals for the day then drink my first meal on the way out the door 60-90minutes after pinning. Best i can do with the schedule i have to keep

**littlebill** · 10-11-2011, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

The HGH doesn't need to be absorbed, since you're injecting it.
I believe it is the conversion of GH to IGF-1 in the liver that is blunted by carbohydrate intake.

Actually the absorption I'm referring to is on the capillary and/or adipose level into the bloodstream to the liver. I think I've been around the block a few more times then you. And certainly tested IGF-1 under every protocol under the sun and all research data graphs prove peak plasma levels occur 1.5-3 hours post pin fastest in a hypoglycemic state. Would you like to see some blood work?

**Hondarocks** · 10-11-2011, 10:35 AM

I am doing the pen when rising, going and hitting cardio for 30-40min then eating an hour after pinning. I am also taking 1200mg of Vitamine E a day to increase plasma levels.

**littlebill** · 10-11-2011, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Hondarocks

I am doing the pen when rising, going and hitting cardio for 30-40min then eating an hour after pinning. I am also taking 1200mg of Vitamine E a day to increase plasma levels.

Perfect protocol.

**Hondarocks** · 10-11-2011, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

Perfect protocol.

Sweet, what do you think about the 1200mg of VE to increase plasma?

**littlebill** · 10-11-2011, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Hondarocks

Sweet, what do you think about the 1200mg of VE to increase plasma?

Never really heard anything on that front. One thing is you need to be careful with megadoses of fat soluble vitamins which at A D E K as they are hepatoxic in extreme doses.

**Hondarocks** · 10-11-2011, 11:31 AM

I learned it from Pinnacle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...)#.TpR9UZwu7wg

**Hondarocks** · 10-11-2011, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by littlebill

Never really heard anything on that front. One thing is you need to be careful with megadoses of fat soluble vitamins which at A D E K as they are hepatoxic in extreme doses.

Hey go look in the PCT forum its called PTC by steriods .com
Pinnacle Posted it. This is where I learned about increasing plasma with 1200mg's of VE.

**gixxerboy1** · 10-12-2011, 08:26 AM

hgh causes insulin resistance. Eating carbs after taking hgh will cause a large spike in blood glucose levels

**Hondarocks** · 10-12-2011, 09:10 AM

LB check my 14th post in this thread. I gave you a link, it took a day to get the post cleared due to me posting it.
Its where I learned about increasing plasma.

**littlebill** · 10-12-2011, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Hondarocks

Hey go look in the PCT forum its called PTC by steriods .com
Pinnacle Posted it. This is where I learned about increasing plasma with 1200mg's of VE.

It looks to me that he is referring to peak plasma levels of HCG being increased not HGH. Interesting in theory and I suppose in vitro since he referenced some studies- but again I have no experience in this protocol but in regards to HCG it seems to make sense.

**Hondarocks** · 10-12-2011, 10:33 AM

I am taking the 1200mg for peak plasma since I am on HCG as well.

Also this morning I pin'd 1iu, ate 4 eggs, and did 45 min of cardio. Did I do it right?

**sizzlechest** · 10-12-2011, 01:20 PM

I just started 2 ius in the morning after I wake up. The problem is that Im sleepy all morning.

**Hondarocks** · 10-12-2011, 04:42 PM

How man iu's are you taking? Might want to get bloodwork done, post the results here for a baseline on thyroid and then they can help you figure out how much T4 to take.

**cache49** · 10-12-2011, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

hgh causes insulin resistance. Eating carbs after taking hgh will cause a large spike in blood glucose levels

Simple, accurate and strait to the point. Thank you. Thank you all......sub question, at 5uis a day i am currently pinning at 5am when i wake....make all my meals for the day and first meal 60mins after pin. Would it be benificial or advantageous in any way for me to split the doses to 2.5uis twice a day. Same morning protocol but then in the afternoon also before the gym? The problem i see with this is that i intake 30-40grm protien and roungly the same in high glycemic index carbs 30-60 mins Pre WO.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 10-12-2011, 07:29 PM

IMO your pre WO meal is much more beneficial than another dose of GH. Also, studies show that taking GH consistently over time causes your IGF-1 to stay elevated throughout the course of the day so there's really no advantage in splitting the dose as IGF-1 will be high already. Most people that split their dose are doing so because they're running higher doses and split it to avoid extreme sides.

**cache49** · 10-12-2011, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

IMO your pre WO meal is much more beneficial than another dose of GH. Also, studies show that taking GH consistently over time causes your IGF-1 to stay elevated throughout the course of the day so there's really no advantage in splitting the dose as IGF-1 will be high already. Most people that split their dose are doing so because they're running higher doses and split it to avoid extreme sides.

Good stuff, thank you. I plan on running the growth yr round at the same dose....for now anyhow, so i think its just as easy, like you mentioned to pin the 5uis in a single dose. Cheers

**Hondarocks** · 10-12-2011, 08:56 PM

Also this morning I pin'd 1iu, ate 4 eggs, and did 45 min of cardio. Did I do it right?

Then slammed the food.

**M302_Imola** · 10-14-2011, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Hondarocks

Also this morning I pin'd 1iu, ate 4 eggs, and did 45 min of cardio. Did I do it right?

Then slammed the food.

So you ate 4 whole eggs or 4 egg whites? Not exactly sure that HGH and peptides are alike in this regard, but I know with peptides you should wait at least 30 mins to have fat or carbs as they blunt GH release. So if you are having 4 whole eggs then you are certainly consuming around ~20g of fat. Can someone set me straight on this matter if fat intake within an hour of injection is a no-no with HGH? You could just slam down some pasteurized liquid egg whites post injection as they have little to no fat.

**Hondarocks** · 10-14-2011, 08:44 AM

Ok will do. I like the yoks but I can cut it down to 1 or 2.

**M302_Imola** · 10-19-2011, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Hondarocks

Ok will do. I like the yoks but I can cut it down to 1 or 2.

I don't think you get it...you don't want ANY fats or carbs within 1 hr. post injection. So even 1 or 2 egg yolks could blunt GH. You can consume protein but make sure there is no fat or carbs.

**gixxerboy1** · 10-19-2011, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by M302_Imola;5***889

I don't think you get it...you don't want ANY fats or carbs within 1 hr. post injection. So even 1 or 2 egg yolks could blunt GH. You can consume protein but make sure there is no fat or carbs.

but its exogenous gh. So you arent blunting it.
I understand what you are saying about the peptides because your body is still producing the gh. Now you are injecting it.

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 10-20-2011, 05:20 AM

Nothing can stop the hgh when u inject it it's just that ur insulin release gets blunt when u inj hgh for almost an hour as hgh life is almost that long so carb consumption raises ur blood sugar levels and whith no insulin in ur body at the time not a good idea....that's one of the reasons bb inj insulin with the hgh that way they eat right after their inj!!!!

**gixxerboy1** · 10-20-2011, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Mr_Prop_var_Testen

Nothing can stop the hgh when u inject it it's just that ur insulin release gets blunt when u inj hgh for almost an hour as hgh life is almost that long so carb consumption raises ur blood sugar levels and whith no insulin in ur body at the time not a good idea....that's one of the reasons bb inj insulin with the hgh that way they eat right after their inj!!!!

agree

**SlimmerMe** · 10-20-2011, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Mr_Prop_var_Testen

Nothing can stop the hgh when u inject it it's just that ur insulin release gets blunt when u inj hgh for almost an hour as hgh life is almost that long so carb consumption raises ur blood sugar levels and whith no insulin in ur body at the time not a good idea....that's one of the reasons bb inj insulin with the hgh that way they eat right after their inj!!!!

Great explanation. Clear and concise and educational.

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 10-20-2011, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

Great explanation. Clear and concise and educational.

Thx slimmer that means a lot coming from u

**M302_Imola** · 10-24-2011, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1;5***908

but its exogenous gh. So you arent blunting it.
I understand what you are saying about the peptides because your body is still producing the gh. Now you are injecting it.

solid point, you are right I was referring to peptides. What you are saying does make since since the GH is exogenous and not endogenous (peptides). My question is if you pin peptides and then follow this with an HGH injection 10 mins post peptides I heard the body treats this as a huge spike in endogenous GH production, so in this case would my theory of no fat or carbs 1 hr. post injection apply? Note: the HGH will be pinned IM as this will most likely ensure only a 3 hour GH pulse.

**SlimmerMe** · 10-24-2011, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Mr_Prop_var_Testen

Thx slimmer that means a lot coming from u

You are so welcome. The question is asked a lot so I am glad you made it clear so members can learn.

**gixxerboy1** · 10-24-2011, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by M302_Imola

solid point, you are right I was referring to peptides. What you are saying does make since since the GH is exogenous and not endogenous (peptides). My question is if you pin peptides and then follow this with an HGH injection 10 mins post peptides I heard the body treats this as a huge spike in endogenous GH production, so in this case would my theory of no fat or carbs 1 hr. post injection apply? Note: the HGH will be pinned IM as this will most likely ensure only a 3 hour GH pulse.

Well we both agree on not eating for the 1 hour but just on the reason why.
I'm honestly not sure. How your proposal would work