Can gh proliferate viruses?

[NewMuscle83]

Let's say I have hpv (if guys can even get it) or any other virus for that matter (can't think of any. Maybe flu?). Anyways, will gh make it worse? I heard of gh growing cancers an tumors at a faster rate.

[Bonaparte]

There is no correlation between tumors and viruses. So no.

[M302_Imola]

Well this is a loaded question that has a lot of debate to it. IMO, HGH used properly will not increase your chances for cancer or accelerate the rate of cancer. What you don't want from HGH usage is constant elevated igf levels, so pulsation of hgh is key. This is why I use smaller more frequent doses of hgh.

[Times Roman]

Well this is a loaded question that has a lot of debate to it. IMO, HGH used properly will not increase your chances for cancer or accelerate the rate of cancer. What you don't want from HGH usage is constant elevated igf levels, so pulsation of hgh is key. This is why I use smaller more frequent doses of hgh.

yet another argument for the use of peps instead of GH. Peps make your body release GH that same way it normally would with all the critical pulses, just at higher levels.

[Sgt. Hartman]

Well this is a loaded question that has a lot of debate to it. IMO, HGH used properly will not increase your chances for cancer or accelerate the rate of cancer. What you don't want from HGH usage is constant elevated igf levels, so pulsation of hgh is key. This is why I use smaller more frequent doses of hgh.

What do you think is the negative in having constantly elevated IGF levels?

[Phyll]

Well this is a loaded question that has a lot of debate to it. IMO, HGH used properly will not increase your chances for cancer or accelerate the rate of cancer. What you don't want from HGH usage is constant elevated igf levels, so pulsation of hgh is key. This is why I use smaller more frequent doses of hgh.

I agree. But if you have a dormant or growing tumor that could be a different story. Moreover, some cells have a much higher regeneration rate, such as colon, intestines, breast (and prostate if I am not mistaken.) In these higher levels of IGF-1 can increase the risk of cancer, possibly because there is a higher probability of DNA mistakes being accumulated with constant replication.

Tumor comes from cells that have lost their ability to control their replication cycle and won't stop growing/replicating. Classic example are Lacks cells, cancerous cells from a woman who died almost 60 years ago and are still replicating!

[noserider]

What do you think is the negative in having constantly elevated IGF levels?

TNF-A is the master inflammatory cell. When uncontrolled, it's responsible for auto immune diseases but most importantly it's the first to attack cancer cells as they are replicating (or something like that ).
Elevated IGF levels diminish it's ability to respond when the body is under attack. This is a FACT.
Something I would love to know, maybe someone more knowledgeable can chime in, is how high do your ifg levels have to be for this to happen? Like what would be considered dangerous range, 400, 500, 600 etc....

[ScotchGuard02]

I read a study about how malignant cancers secrete a substance similar to IGF-1 internally. The study then said that there is inconclusive correlation between IGF-1 on the outside of the tumor (due to HGH usage) and the growth of the tumor. Having IGF-1 on the outside of the tumor was a totally different animal then having IGF-1 inside of the tumor.

[Sgt. Hartman]

Let's say I have hpv (if guys can even get it) or any other virus for that matter (can't think of any. Maybe flu?). Anyways, will gh make it worse? I heard of gh growing cancers an tumors at a faster rate.

GH will actually help your body fight off viruses. Elevated IGF-1 levels have been shown to proliferate the maturation of T lymphocyte cells in the thymus gland. T cells are produced in bone marrow but they travel to the thymus gland where they mature and are then capable of exerting their effects. The majority of T cells die off in the thymus before they develop so having an abundant supply and maturing at a faster rate is very important. One of T cells main purposes (besides fighting bacteria and cancerous tumors) is attacking viruses.

[NewMuscle83]

GH will actually help your body fight off viruses. Elevated IGF-1 levels have been shown to proliferate the maturation of T lymphocyte cells in the thymus gland. T cells are produced in bone marrow but they travel to the thymus gland where they mature and are then capable of exerting their effects. The majority of T cells die off in the thymus before they develop so having an abundant supply and maturing at a faster rate is very important. One of T cells main purposes (besides fighting bacteria and cancerous tumors) is attacking viruses.

Wow that's pretty interesting.

[mnt51]

On a side note men can get HPV.

[BigBadWolf]

On a side note men can get HPV.

They can be carriers.

[M302_Imola]

What do you think is the negative in having constantly elevated IGF levels?

See Phyll's and noserider's post as they summed this up pretty well.

I agree. But if you have a dormant or growing tumor that could be a different story. Moreover, some cells have a much higher regeneration rate, such as colon, intestines, breast (and prostate if I am not mistaken.) In these higher levels of IGF-1 can increase the risk of cancer, possibly because there is a higher probability of DNA mistakes being accumulated with constant replication.

Tumor comes from cells that have lost their ability to control their replication cycle and won't stop growing/replicating. Classic example are Lacks cells, cancerous cells from a woman who died almost 60 years ago and are still replicating!

Very informative post...thanks!

TNF-A is the master inflammatory cell. When uncontrolled, it's responsible for auto immune diseases but most importantly it's the first to attack cancer cells as they are replicating (or something like that ).
Elevated IGF levels diminish it's ability to respond when the body is under attack. This is a FACT.
Something I would love to know, maybe someone more knowledgeable can chime in, is how high do your ifg levels have to be for this to happen? Like what would be considered dangerous range, 400, 500, 600 etc....

That is a good question noserider but this might be a tough one to answer. I don't think there is necessarily a magic number (400, 500, etc.) but what you don't want is a constant elevated igf numbers...so in other words chronic elevated levels are bad so pulsation is the key. This is why I don't recommend pinning more than 3iu of hgh at one certain time and especially if you are pinning subq. Subq has a much longer clearing time than IM or IV injections. Faster clearing = pulsation, which will lead to non chronic elevated igf levels.

[Sgt. Hartman]

See Phyll's and noserider's post as they summed this up pretty well.



Very informative post...thanks!



That is a good question noserider but this might be a tough one to answer. I don't think there is necessarily a magic number (400, 500, etc.) but what you don't want is a constant elevated igf numbers...so in other words chronic elevated levels are bad so pulsation is the key. This is why I don't recommend pinning more than 3iu of hgh at one certain time and especially if you are pinning subq. Subq has a much longer clearing time than IM or IV injections. Faster clearing = pulsation, which will lead to non chronic elevated igf levels.

I don't what pinning protocol you would be able to run GH or peptides and get any benefit out of it without having constantly elevated IGF-1 levels. Even at doses of 4iu plasma IGF-1 levels are still extremely elevated 12 hrs after GH administration and don't return to baseline until 24 hrs and beyond. IM injections will cause GH to clear your body faster and cause IGF to peak slightly sooner but it will have very little effect on how long your blood concentration of IGF-1 is elevated.

Basically, if you take your GH everyday then your IGF-1 levels will be constantly elevated.

[M302_Imola]

I don't what pinning protocol you would be able to run GH or peptides and get any benefit out of it without having constantly elevated IGF-1 levels. Even at doses of 4iu plasma IGF-1 levels are still extremely elevated 12 hrs after GH administration and don't return to baseline until 24 hrs and beyond. IM injections will cause GH to clear your body faster and cause IGF to peak slightly sooner but it will have very little effect on how long your blood concentration of IGF-1 is elevated.

Basically, if you take your GH everyday then your IGF-1 levels will be constantly elevated.

That's just it, I won't pin over 2iu at one given time and I don't pin GH everyday. Yes clearing time on an IM injection is much quicker, but I was under the assumption that igf-1 levels return back to normal much quicker with this pinning protocol...I will have to do some more research on this matter.

[Sgt. Hartman]

That's just it, I won't pin over 2iu at one given time and I don't pin GH everyday. Yes clearing time on an IM injection is much quicker, but I was under the assumption that igf-1 levels return back to normal much quicker with this pinning protocol...I will have to do some more research on this matter.

Let us know what you come up with.

[M302_Imola]

^^^Will do