What made you choose HGH vs. the basic steroids?

[boxingfan30]

I know some of you may use both. I'm just curious if you only do take HGH what made you choose that route vs steroids ? I know they both have their benefits and drawbacks. Discuss.

[DanB]

Not to sound arrogant but started simply because I could

Was using peps and was pleased with them and knew HGH would be in a different league to them for results so decided to give it a go and havnt regretted it once

[stpete]

Whenever someone says "not to be arrogant," it usually means they're going to be arrogant. haha...

What kind of dosages and for how long, Dan?

Benefits? I'm interested in this thread as well.

[Sgt. Hartman]

I started it because I thought it was a better safer alternative than running aggressive AAS cycles.

Now I do both .....but safely.

[Angel of death]

a) hardly any side effects (at 3ius or so, the dose i use). so instead of losing hair and getting uglier, hgh makes you better looking =)
b)tons of benefits that go way beyond just losing fat and gaining muscle. increased sleep, better skin, better mood, possible hair regrowth, quicker recovery, energy all day everyday, wake up feeling great. need i say more?

[DanB]

Whenever someone says "not to be arrogant," it usually means they're going to be arrogant. haha...

What kind of dosages and for how long, Dan?

Benefits? I'm interested in this thread as well.

been on about 6-8 months? not sure exactly to be honest, anywhere from 4-10 i.u, currently on 8 and 100mcg t4

the thing that strikes me the most is that I can eat literally anything I like, havnt noticed the ''sleeping like a baby'' that some people report although I do feel brand new after as little as 4hr sleep, I also pin ghrh/ghrp before bed so this prob attributes to the sleep comment

DOMS seems to be alot less and shorter duration so basically seem to recover quicker, as far as anabolic properties from the higher doses I cant really judge because there has always been AAS involved when using higher doses

A strange one is hair growth, I know this is common but I didnt expect it to be so pronounced, I used to get away with shaving 2-3 days and still presentable, stubble but nothing scruffy but now I get 36hrs and need a shave

Not sure about difference in energy levels, Im generally wired 24/7 from ADHD as a teen so hard to notice if it has an effect there

Im happy with it and dont plan on coming off unless its either for a financial or health reasons which I cannot forsee in short-medium term, touch wood

Get comments on occasion saying skin looking good, no more dry skin on face which I used to get but not 100% sure that it is from the HGH or something else and I also look ''fresh in the face'' if you know what I mean 24/7 even though I struggle with sleep

And yeah the arrogant comment, yeah your prob right about me lol but in this case I honestly didnt intend it haha

[Edwin23q]

Been on hgh for 4 weeks, never done anything before. For trimming and toning and all other benefits I thought I'd start on hgh for 3 months (plus im almost 39) then start a 8 week cycle of test-E and Deca200. From what I've heard all the gains on the test and deca cycle will be permanent as long as I stay on hgh for a minimum of 6 months.
Plus with hgh you can adjust your diet and ease into it. A few of my mates went straight on a test deca cycle without their diets in check and it worked out to be a waste of money for them. But everyone has their own way and opinion, it comes down to what your comfortable with.

[DanB]

Been on hgh for 4 weeks, never done anything before. For trimming and toning and all other benefits I thought I'd start on hgh for 3 months (plus im almost 39) then start a 8 week cycle of test-E and Deca200. From what I've heard all the gains on the test and deca cycle will be permanent as long as I stay on hgh for a minimum of 6 months.
Plus with hgh you can adjust your diet and ease into it. A few of my mates went straight on a test deca cycle without their diets in check and it worked out to be a waste of money for them. But everyone has their own way and opinion, it comes down to what your comfortable with.

just pointing out the obvious i know but some may not realise, if you dont get sufficient nutrients to support the muscle then you will inevitably lose it

[likelifting]

I'm 53 so the reported healing benefits was something that interested me. My right shoulder and right knee do feel better. But TBH, I think I just wanted to try it because I could.

^All that assuming I'm a real hgh.

[stpete]

I started it because I thought it was a better safer alternative than running aggressive AAS cycles.

Now I do both .....but safely.

Nice! Dosages?

been on about 6-8 months? not sure exactly to be honest, anywhere from 4-10 i.u, currently on 8 and 100mcg t4

the thing that strikes me the most is that I can eat literally anything I like, havnt noticed the ''sleeping like a baby'' that some people report although I do feel brand new after as little as 4hr sleep, I also pin ghrh/ghrp before bed so this prob attributes to the sleep comment

DOMS seems to be alot less and shorter duration so basically seem to recover quicker, as far as anabolic properties from the higher doses I cant really judge because there has always been AAS involved when using higher doses

A strange one is hair growth, I know this is common but I didnt expect it to be so pronounced, I used to get away with shaving 2-3 days and still presentable, stubble but nothing scruffy but now I get 36hrs and need a shave

Not sure about difference in energy levels, Im generally wired 24/7 from ADHD as a teen so hard to notice if it has an effect there

Im happy with it and dont plan on coming off unless its either for a financial or health reasons which I cannot forsee in short-medium term, touch wood

Get comments on occasion saying skin looking good, no more dry skin on face which I used to get but not 100% sure that it is from the HGH or something else and I also look ''fresh in the face'' if you know what I mean 24/7 even though I struggle with sleep

And yeah the arrogant comment, yeah your prob right about me lol but in this case I honestly didnt intend it haha

Very cool. Only 4-10iu's,huh? Obviously, i haven't done much research. Is it only the hard core guys that use multiple times a day? Or do you split that up?

And yeah, you know i was only messing w/you.

[OnTheSauce]

I do 5 and 5. I don't think it matters much, unless timing insulin with it.

[DanB]

Nice! Dosages?



Very cool. Only 4-10iu's,huh? Obviously, i haven't done much research. Is it only the hard core guys that use multiple times a day? Or do you split that up?

And yeah, you know i was only messing w/you.

I have played around with it alot, splitting, not splitting,

Im was running 8 i.u in single dose a week or two ago, now back to splitting, I trying to force myself to tolerate the sides from larger single doses so that I can run larger amounts, there is no science behind this theory I'm just using myself as a guinea pig after hearing from people who use large-ish doses that I will be able to handle the sides eventually, we shall wait and see.........

I think 10 i.u is on the upper end of the scale for people like myself where this is only a hobby, I know pros are rumoured to run massive amounts, read account from people who pin i.v although the latter would not be for me, I dont see the risk/reward being favourable, well not much risk but fvck pinning i.v

something on pinning multiple times a day as you mentioned above, datbtrue advocates to pin smaller amounts followed by peps multiple times a day to mimic the bodys own pulsation and also more value for money although by using less gh, Im not completely sold on the idea of it being more effective then using twice the dose in single/split pins without peps like he claims, I will give it a proper test run in the future and see for myself

im basically just playing around at the moment and seeing what x and y does to me and how effective or intollerable it is

[schutterbox]

very interested in taking hgh myself but have been told different stories. I have my own beliefs and am more than likey going in on it anyway. Only question i have is 4-6 ius a day enough to get any results if im on for lets say 6 months? and is it really necessary to take a test with it? any advice is appreciated

[gixxerboy1]

very interested in taking hgh myself but have been told different stories. I have my own beliefs and am more than likey going in on it anyway. Only question i have is 4-6 ius a day enough to get any results if im on for lets say 6 months? and is it really necessary to take a test with it? any advice is appreciated

results depend on age, and also what type of results? fat loss? muscle gain?

[likelifting]

I'm with DanB, just experimenting. I have .5 CC slins and fill it up in the morning. Pin 2.5ius when I wake up and 2.5ius about an hour before I workout. I do fasted cardio so I might pin 2.5 and go do cardio, go do some actual work and then come home and pin 2.5 and go lift.

[kaptainkeezy04]

i chose hgh, because no hair loss, no PCT, no bitch tits, no shrunken testes, good fat loss, better looking skin.

[calstate23]

I know some of you may use both. I'm just curious if you only do take HGH what made you choose that route vs steroids? I know they both have their benefits and drawbacks. Discuss.

Well gh and steroids are completely different and have a different effect on body...While steroids increase muscle mass, gh is the hormone that pushes one beyond genetic potential..

We are all born with a certain amount of muscle cells...The use of gh can actually create new muscle news...Gh also has a great effect on ligaments, cartilage, and bone growth etc..Which steroids can not do..

Gh is a great hormone but you will not see its best benefits until you run gh with steroids...

Gh is one of the main factors the top pros look like the way they do..It is impossible without it...Gh also allows the pros to run HIGH dose of insulin without turning into a diabetic....Another reason I tell people they really shouldn't be using insulin unless they are on pharm grade gh...

And plain and simple..You can't get those spider veins crawling all over your body we all so desperately want without gh..

[MyteeJ]

I added GH to my protocol for the healing properties and the other gains have been pure bonus that I really appreciate.

i have sides at 1.5 IU daily. For me, I can't imagine a higher dose since the pain in my hands is really intense every morning.

Side note - i pinned some GH after tweaking my calf during a run. Had the same injury last year so I have some good comparison info. The GH, along with other therapy, dramatically reduced recovery time. I am a firm believer in GH for accelerating recovery from injuries.

[boxingfan30]

My biggest question is how do you all even afford all of this stuff?? It all seems soooo expensive, but who knows if what I am looking at is real or fake to begin with. Much more expensive than steroids it seems ... No?

[Soar]

I think the main factor would be the few thousand dollars you'd need to keep a constant flow of GH in your system.

[DanB]

My biggest question is how do you all even afford all of this stuff?? It all seems soooo expensive, but who knows if what I am looking at is real or fake to begin with. Much more expensive than steroids it seems ... No?

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said too much

[boxingfan30]

Careful now

But same as everything, shop around for a deal, smoking is more expensive then 4 i.u daily over here and I prob breaking rules with that comment am I?

Well, I used to smoke... but that's been 8-10 years ago now. I think it's at least 6.00 a pack here... much of the time I see the prices it's in the 7.00 range.

[boxingfan30]

Honestly, i'd get on about 2 iu's a day if I didn't have a history of cancer in my family. It just makes me leary of anything like that. I get PSA numbers and all of that checked about every 6 months but it's all looked good.

[DanB]

Well, I used to smoke... but that's been 8-10 years ago now. I think it's at least 6.00 a pack here... much of the time I see the prices it's in the 7.00 range.

said too much................

[Sgt. Hartman]

That's over a buck fifty a cigarette. Crazy.

You guys need to have a tea party.

[DanB]

That's over a buck fifty a cigarette. Crazy.

You guys need to have a tea party.

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too close to price talk

my bad

[calstate23]

Honestly, i'd get on about 2 iu's a day if I didn't have a history of cancer in my family. It just makes me leary of anything like that. I get PSA numbers and all of that checked about every 6 months but it's all looked good.

HGH doesn't CREATE cancer but if there is any existing tumor that has gone unnoticed it will make it spread faster...

[Sgt. Hartman]

Ok I'm retarded and obviously can't do basic math but that's still a lot of money for a smoke. And a euro is $1.32 right now so your math is off a little too.

Google Boston Tea Party. I'd tell you about it but I'm sure I'd be wrong lmao

[kaptainkeezy04]

a) hardly any side effects (at 3ius or so, the dose i use). so instead of losing hair and getting uglier, hgh makes you better looking =)
b)tons of benefits that go way beyond just losing fat and gaining muscle. increased sleep, better skin, better mood, possible hair regrowth, quicker recovery, energy all day everyday, wake up feeling great. need i say more?

getting uglier? christian bale and brad pitt aren't ugly! lol

[boxingfan30]

HGH doesn't CREATE cancer but if there is any existing tumor that has gone unnoticed it will make it spread faster...

no I do know it doesn't actually cause cancer. Pancreatic cancer runs in the family, and I don't know if they can check that area for tumors... I don't really know how they would check that area tbh. Either way it's one of those things like I said that just makes me nervous about it.

I don't know. I just don't feel as good at all in general anymore. I don't experience "good moods" much at all... i'm happy, my Wife is going to have a baby, we have a nice little house, cars, etc. I had a lot of anxeity a long time ago and with medication that doesn't run my life anymore, but i'm moody... I feel frustrated when their isn't anything to really be frustrated about... I was more aggressive and then one of the meds I was on they changed, which helped... but didn't stop and I still get that way at times. The thing is, this really didn't start until I was in my later 20's... 27 or so I guess. I'm 34 now and just feel like life is more slipping away than it is getting more exciting.

[Edwin23q]

no I do know it doesn't actually cause cancer. Pancreatic cancer runs in the family, and I don't know if they can check that area for tumors... I don't really know how they would check that area tbh. Either way it's one of those things like I said that just makes me nervous about it.

I don't know. I just don't feel as good at all in general anymore. I don't experience "good moods" much at all... i'm happy, my Wife is going to have a baby, we have a nice little house, cars, etc. I had a lot of anxeity a long time ago and with medication that doesn't run my life anymore, but i'm moody... I feel frustrated when their isn't anything to really be frustrated about... I was more aggressive and then one of the meds I was on they changed, which helped... but didn't stop and I still get that way at times. The thing is, this really didn't start until I was in my later 20's... 27 or so I guess. I'm 34 now and just feel like life is more slipping away than it is getting more exciting.

Mate I would not recommend GH for you if cancer runs in your family. It's not worth it, you have so much to lose and so little to gain if you compare the 2 in your case. I'm on GH now going on week 3, but yet to see any benefit in this short time and tbh not expecting any for at least another 4 weeks.

[boxingfan30]

Yeah... I would just like to know why I feel the way I do. I'm sick of the constant pain of a bad shoulder and back issues. Its just there all the time. I take 6 grams of memo and occasionally a 800 Mg ibuprophen .... never any narcotic pain killers though.

[Edwin23q]

Yeah... I would just like to know why I feel the way I do. I'm sick of the constant pain of a bad shoulder and back issues. Its just there all the time. I take 6 grams of memo and occasionally a 800 Mg ibuprophen .... never any narcotic pain killers though.

The more experienced guys can comment, but from my understanding, a low dose of Deca cycle might help you out.

[marcus300]

No price talk guys......


I never picked one or the other it was always my intention to use both together because the synergy is remarkable if used with the right dose and correct cycle. It transforms your body into a pro look

[swithuk]

no I do know it doesn't actually cause cancer. Pancreatic cancer runs in the family, and I don't know if they can check that area for tumors... I don't really know how they would check that area tbh. Either way it's one of those things like I said that just makes me nervous about it.

I don't know. I just don't feel as good at all in general anymore. I don't experience "good moods" much at all... i'm happy, my Wife is going to have a baby, we have a nice little house, cars, etc. I had a lot of anxeity a long time ago and with medication that doesn't run my life anymore, but i'm moody... I feel frustrated when their isn't anything to really be frustrated about... I was more aggressive and then one of the meds I was on they changed, which helped... but didn't stop and I still get that way at times. The thing is, this really didn't start until I was in my later 20's... 27 or so I guess. I'm 34 now and just feel like life is more slipping away than it is getting more exciting.

you should watch a doc called forks over knives

[boxingfan30]

you should watch a doc called forks over knives

why is that?

[swithuk]

why is that?

just a very interesting doc about diet and cancer , treating it and preventing it . blew my mind when i saw it . basically two doctors take a number of patients with stage 4 illness and try and treat them . fascinating

[Misery13]

I use both together.... But when the day comes that I decide to stop using AAS I will still probably stay on a low dose of HGH because of the abuse my body has taken over the years.

[boxingfan30]

just a very interesting doc about diet and cancer , treating it and preventing it . blew my mind when i saw it . basically two doctors take a number of patients with stage 4 illness and try and treat them . fascinating

That does sound interesting, I will check it out... thanks for the info.

[DanB]

I use both together.... But when the day comes that I decide to stop using AAS I will still probably stay on a low dose of HGH because of the abuse my body has taken over the years.

if hgh can hold somebody like yourself together then it really is a miracle drug lol, i can only imagine the stress your body has gone through over the years...........

matter of interest, how much of a difference does it make to you, in the context of quality of life due to the work related damage you done to body over the years