Deciding on insulin

**EarlyMuscles** · 01-08-2013, 11:14 AM

So iv been reading and researching about insulin a lot for the past couple weeks and iv been thinking about starting a cycle in a month or so. I can get my hands on a bottle of humalin r or a novolog flexpen. I have a question about the flex pen tho, where can you get the needles for the flex own to change then when you have to? Anyways yea I know insulin can be deadly when abused but my protocol was going to be something like 2iu on workout days to start and raising it 1iu per week or more

**EarlyMuscles** · 01-08-2013, 11:15 AM

[QUOTE="EarlyMuscles"]So iv been reading and researching about insulin a lot for the past couple weeks and iv been thinking about starting a cycle in a month or so. I can get my hands on a bottle of humalin r or a novolog flexpen. I have a question about the flex pen tho, where can you get the needles for the flex own to change then when you have to? Anyways yea I know insulin can be deadly when abused but my protocol was going to be something like 2iu on workout days to start and raising it 1iu per week or more for no more than 4 weeks. Please let me know and if anyone can answer my question is appreciate that

**hankdiesel** · 01-08-2013, 12:06 PM

Sounds like you're not going above 5 iu. In that short period of time too I wouldn't expect much. What is your cycle history and current stats?

**EarlyMuscles** · 01-08-2013, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

Sounds like you're not going above 5 iu. In that short period of time too I wouldn't expect much. What is your cycle history and current stats?

Since it would be my first time using insulin I want to be very cautious with it and only start at 2iu and keep my dosing at a very manageable amount at least until I feel like I'm able to bump it up more and tolerate it. I have done a mild prohormone cycle of epistane about a year back and I did a cycle of Ostarine with good results and recovery while on it

**OnTheSauce** · 01-08-2013, 12:46 PM

Why the f*** would u mess with insulin if you haven't even ran a test cycle yet?

**EarlyMuscles** · 01-08-2013, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by patrick4588

Why the f*** would u mess with insulin if you haven't even ran a test cycle yet?

I would like to run a test cycle way later in the future but for now I don't want to be taking something that I need a pct for and that will mess with my endocrine system. I would like to stay with things like insulin , peptides, and sarms etc.

Ps. Now that I remembered about peptides I have ran a cycle of IGF-1 LR3 about 2 years ago for 1 month on and 2 weeks off for 3 months

**gixxerboy1** · 01-08-2013, 01:21 PM

I dont see any reason for you to use slin. Its for more advanced, your just starting out.

**EarlyMuscles** · 01-08-2013, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

I dont see any reason for you to use slin. Its for more advanced, your just starting out.

In knowledge of it I am moderate to advanced which means I do know how to run a proper cycle on slin but if your looking at it as me not being advanced by how many cycles of AAS under my belt yea I'm not advanced but that shouldn't be a big deal when talking about slin

**bigpapabuff** · 01-08-2013, 02:00 PM

No rush to get in on slin bro. Id just chill on that idea a bit personally.

**gixxerboy1** · 01-08-2013, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

In knowledge of it I am moderate to advanced which means I do know how to run a proper cycle on slin but if your looking at it as me not being advanced by how many cycles of AAS under my belt yea I'm not advanced but that shouldn't be a big deal when talking about slin

I think there is. There are drugs that are more advanced. I dont thonk u need to use something like slin with where u are at

**EarlyMuscles** · 01-08-2013, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

I think there is. There are drugs that are more advanced. I dont thonk u need to use something like slin with where u are at

I wouldn't mind cycling a low dose of slin for a 3 weeks on 2 weeks off protocol for a couple of times. I know there are other things to do and I have done other things but in interested in doing slin now

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 01-08-2013, 04:54 PM

Why not peps? They are safer and don't affect you endo system.

**EarlyMuscles** · 01-08-2013, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by S&S_ShovelHead

Why not peps? They are safer and don't affect you endo system.

Neither does insulin and it can be as safe as anything else if you know what your doing

Edit- and the price is way cheaper compared to peptides lol

**EarlyMuscles** · 01-08-2013, 09:10 PM

I have decided I'm going to run Humalin R from Eli Lilly when I do go on my cycle in about a month or so. I will be doing a 3 week on 2 week off protocol but might switch it to 1 month on then 1 month off and repeat if desired. At 2iu a day raising it by 1iu when comfortable

**hankdiesel** · 01-08-2013, 09:14 PM

What is your height and weight? Also, how long have you been training?

**EarlyMuscles** · 01-08-2013, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

What is your height and weight? Also, how long have you been training?

5' 5", 154lbs and a little over 2 years

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 01-09-2013, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

Neither does insulin and it can be as safe as anything else if you know what your doing

Edit- and the price is way cheaper compared to peptides lol

I agree with the price for sure. But as far as safer I do not. You couldn't really hurt yourself with peps if you tried. But if your set on slin that's fine too. Just make sure you do lots of research first, get your diet strictly planned out and get a by meter and be safe. You can always mix slin with peps too if you got the $, if posted my next peptide/slin cycle about a week back, might be worth taking a look at.

**MrMayhem** · 01-12-2013, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

Neither does insulin and it can be as safe as anything else if you know what your doing

Edit- and the price is way cheaper compared to peptides lol

Safe huh? Well considering if you abuse or misuse it, it can lead to type 2 diabetes and diabetes opens door ways to other diseases if not closely monitored and maintained. So safe, far from it, but I'm sure you already know all that. Main thing I wanted to put in here is just my opinion. I agree with everyone here man. Stick to some peptides for now.

**calstate23** · 01-12-2013, 02:18 PM

As much as it can be dangerous, that is not even the MAIN reason I don't really support the use of insulin to most guys...

It's not because it's way to dangerous to even touch or that you are not educated enough on the subject.....

Are you primed for it!? Are you conditioned for it and are you ready for it MAXIMIZE your physique?!?!

Most people who want to take it are like 5' 8" 190 and 18% bodyfat......It's like really?? You think INSULIN is your answer to success??

Try getting in the shape and condition before using it when condition is right....

Personally, I think if someone can't get over 200 in lower bodyfat % then they really don't need it (Unless you're really short or something)....If you can't get there with gh and steroids alone then you obviously have more to learn about diet, training, hormones and just working out in general...

**M302_Imola** · 01-14-2013, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by calstate23

As much as it can be dangerous, that is not even the MAIN reason I don't really support the use of insulin to most guys...

It's not because it's way to dangerous to even touch or that you are not educated enough on the subject.....

Are you primed for it!? Are you conditioned for it and are you ready for it MAXIMIZE your physique?!?!

Most people who want to take it are like 5' 8" 190 and 18% bodyfat......It's like really?? You think INSULIN is your answer to success??

Try getting in the shape and condition before using it when condition is right....

For once I actually agree with you! lol Slin is not for someone with high body fat...personally I wouldn't touch the stuff unless I was 12% or below. I also am a big advocate of testing your fasted blood glucose levels 2-3 weeks before ever starting slin. If your bg numbers are 100 or more than YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS USING SLIN!!! With fasted bg levels 100 or more your body either is or is building up insulin resistance so using slin could be VERY DANGEROUS! I personally wouldn't use slin unless my bg levels were 90 or below...the lower your bg levels the more insulin sensitive you are (which is a could thing because the body will absorb more glucose when you ingest carbs). Also, let's say your fasted bg levels avg. around 90 before using slin so you decide to go ahead and pull the trigger on slin. You need to periodically check your fasted bg levels (while on slin) as your numbers could creep up to 100...if numbers approach 100 STOP using slin (your becoming insulin resistant) until your numbers drop back down to around 90. I will also add that supplementing with R-ALA (the R isomer of alpha lipoic acid) can help reduce fasted bg levels.

**EarlyMuscles** · 01-14-2013, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by M302_Imola

For once I actually agree with you! lol Slin is not for someone with high body fat...personally I wouldn't touch the stuff unless I was 12% or below. I also am a big advocate of testing your fasted blood glucose levels 2-3 weeks before ever starting slin. If your bg numbers are 100 or more than YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS USING SLIN!!! With fasted bg levels 100 or more your body either is or is building up insulin resistance so using slin could be VERY DANGEROUS! I personally wouldn't use slin unless my bg levels were 90 or below...the lower your bg levels the more insulin sensitive you are (which is a could thing because the body will absorb more glucose when you ingest carbs). Also, let's say your fasted bg levels avg. around 90 before using slin so you decide to go ahead and pull the trigger on slin. You need to periodically check your fasted bg levels (while on slin) as your numbers could creep up to 100...if numbers approach 100 STOP using slin (your becoming insulin resistant) until your numbers drop back down to around 90. I will also add that supplementing with R-ALA (the R isomer of alpha lipoic acid) can help reduce fasted bg levels.

Idk if you can see my picture close enough because its so small but I say I'm around 12%-14% bf. I am interested in getting a bg monitor but I'm not too sure when I would use it...I'm guessing I check my bg before taking insulin and establish a baseline level when I'm fasting and other times as well. And I'm interested in taking R ALA when I take insulin but when would be the best time to take the ALA and how much a day?

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 01-14-2013, 01:12 PM

For humalin-r...

Morning should be between 80-100
Test right before injection
Test 30 min after you eat
Test again 60 min after eat
Test if feeling hypo

Ideally keep levels above 80, if lower take in carbs, never allow them to drop below 40

**M302_Imola** · 01-15-2013, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

Idk if you can see my picture close enough because its so small but I say I'm around 12%-14% bf. I am interested in getting a bg monitor but I'm not too sure when I would use it...I'm guessing I check my bg before taking insulin and establish a baseline level when I'm fasting and other times as well. And I'm interested in taking R ALA when I take insulin but when would be the best time to take the ALA and how much a day?

Yeah you appear to be around 12-14 %bf but my reply wasn't specifically pointed at you. Get a bg monitor and check your bg levels for at least two weeks every morning upon waking...at the end of 2 weeks avg these numbers. This number will let you know if you're insulin resistant (100+) or if you're insulin sensitive (less than 100)...the lower the number the more insulin sensitive you are (which is a good thing). You can also test your bg once you're on slin...right before injection and then every 15, 30, 60 mins after injection (of course you should also have some food after you inject). This will give you a good idea of how your body responds to the slin (note the peak time and duration of the slin you're using). R-ALA can be supplemented morning and night...the kind I have is 200mg per pill. So 1 pill in morn and 1 pill at night although you can really take it anytime but I don't like taking it around workout time.

**MrMayhem** · 01-19-2013, 04:36 PM

My fasted BG sits between 70-85.

Im not considering insulin at all, cuz I dont really need it lol, but if I were, sounds like Id be the perfect candidate??

**M302_Imola** · 01-21-2013, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by MrMayhem

My fasted BG sits between 70-85.

Im not considering insulin at all, cuz I dont really need it lol, but if I were, sounds like Id be the perfect candidate??

Yes those fasted bg levels are ideal. When I 1st started checking my bg levels they were in the low 90s but after supplementing w/ R-ALA and controling my carb intake (especially later in the day) my levels are now sitting around 80. Let's me know my body is more sponge-like and will absorb and make better use out of the carbs I ingest.

**ChuckEisenmench** · 01-25-2013, 12:27 PM

I use 15iu post workout with a protein drink consisting of 3 scoops ON whey protein and 1 scoop of ovaltine and a banana. W/o problems.

**Sociabear** · 01-26-2013, 10:27 PM

2 years of training I would say don't touch it.

Are you trying to make a push to the national/pro level? If not whys the point of playing with fire.

I'm 25 been training for 8 years. I just now have made the decision to run slin and rhgh( I have about 5 years of aas use under my belt as well).

You are not intermediate advanced, 2 years in you're still a rookie. I am not trying to sound to cold bit why would you run a very advances drug like this. If you have only trained for 2 years I have to doubt you have a dialed in diet right now if you feel platued enough to use the IMO most potent and dangerous bodybuilding drug out there.

No one will be able to change your mind of its made up I understand that as I am the same, try some light aas first get your feet wet and learn your body more.

**M302_Imola** · 01-28-2013, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckEisenmench

I use 15iu post workout with a protein drink consisting of 3 scoops ON whey protein and 1 scoop of ovaltine and a banana. W/o problems.

That's great that you can get away with this and not go hypo but everyone is different and I wouldn't advise ANYONE to follow your protocol. First off, 15iu's is overkill IMO and then second I don't see where you're getting a significant amount of carbs following your injection. Let me guess...you're using a very slow form of slin because if you were on Humalog or a very fast acting slin I'd bet you'd go hypo.