HGH - Swollen Hands and Numbness

**Kyle1337** · 11-13-2019, 08:41 AM

At what point do you guys call it quits on HGH due to the above side effects?

I use my hands alot for work... It gets pretty old when my fingers don't work anymore and all I feel is electrical type shocks in my hands and forearms. Just typing this out is pretty annoying.

Waking up during sleep is my biggest issue. I wake up at least 10x a night trying to get feeling back in my hand... It's ruining my sleep.

I'm only running 4 Iu HGH (2 am and 2 post workout) alongside 25mg of Mk677. I am making good progress, but I am not sure I can handle the hand fuckery much longer.

**Windex** · 11-13-2019, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Kyle1337

At what point do you guys call it quits on HGH due to the above side effects?

I use my hands alot for work... It gets pretty old when my fingers don't work anymore and all I feel is electrical type shocks in my hands and forearms. Just typing this out is pretty annoying.

Waking up during sleep is my biggest issue. I wake up at least 10x a night trying to get feeling back in my hand... It's ruining my sleep.

I'm only running 4 Iu HGH (2 am and 2 post workout) alongside 25mg of Mk677. I am making good progress, but I am not sure I can handle the hand fuckery much longer.

UGL or Pharma ?

I would try switching to 3IU in am and see if that helps? Maybe even go down to 2 or 2.5IU and bump up the MK677.

Do you have access to a sauna ? I would also try doing 3-5 sauna per week. It's extremely beneficial at stimulating blood flow and circulation which may aleve some of the side effects.

Best of luck

**pfdept59** · 11-13-2019, 09:22 AM

Cut down to 2 iu per day until the sides go away and increase dosage 1 iu per week and see if that helps

**Kyle1337** · 11-13-2019, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Windex

UGL or Pharma ?

I would try switching to 3IU in am and see if that helps? Maybe even go down to 2 or 2.5IU and bump up the MK677.

Do you have access to a sauna ? I would also try doing 3-5 sauna per week. It's extremely beneficial at stimulating blood flow and circulation which may aleve some of the side effects.

Best of luck

It is UGL. I may bump it back down and see where that goes. I don't know how some of these bigger guys run more than this. It's pretty annoying. Our gym does have a sauna, I may need to give that a try!

Thanks

Originally Posted by pfdept59

Cut down to 2 iu per day until the sides go away and increase dosage 1 iu per week and see if that helps

I've been on 2 iu since January. Didn't have much problems. However I upped my dose 3 months ago to 3 iu and 2 weeks ago to 4 iu. So it's been a slow increase. On 2 iu I was fine, but I am trying to grow into this. May just need to deal with only 2ius.

**charger69** · 11-13-2019, 12:00 PM

I hear ya. Feels like I have frostbite in my fingertips however I am not sure if it is the HGH or the MK677.
I quit both two weeks ago and still have the numbness.
Trying to sleep was a bear because my whole arm lost feeling.
Try buttoning the top button on a shirt took about 20 minutes.
Fingernails are growing way to fast also.

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**kaptainkeezy04** · 11-15-2019, 12:33 AM

Be grateful. I retain a lot of the water from HGH in my lower back and it gets painful and stiff to the point where every day I wake up feeling 70 years old, and standing still for too long (for some reason just standing still) causes what feels like pinched nerves in my lower back from the swelling.

**jstone** · 11-17-2019, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by kaptainkeezy04

Be grateful. I retain a lot of the water from HGH in my lower back and it gets painful and stiff to the point where every day I wake up feeling 70 years old, and standing still for too long (for some reason just standing still) causes what feels like pinched nerves in my lower back from the swelling.

Do you use seros? I think I remember you posting that a while back. Generally the water retention is not the actual GH itself it's the additives in the vials. Seros I believe are 18iu per vial so roughly 6mg of actually GH. Think about how small the puck would be only the GH was present.

Every company has slightly different additives like mannitol, sorbitol, and lots of different things. If you try another brand of pharma you may not experience as much water retention. Everyone is different, and the same GH can cause a much different reaction from one person to the next.

If your getting seros at a killer price it may be worth dealing with, but you might want to try one of the other pharma brands to see if the water retention gets better.

**kaptainkeezy04** · 11-17-2019, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by jstone

Do you use seros? I think I remember you posting that a while back. Generally the water retention is not the actual GH itself it's the additives in the vials. Seros I believe are 18iu per vial so roughly 6mg of actually GH. Think about how small the puck would be only the GH was present.

Every company has slightly different additives like mannitol, sorbitol, and lots of different things. If you try another brand of pharma you may not experience as much water retention. Everyone is different, and the same GH can cause a much different reaction from one person to the next.

If your getting seros at a killer price it may be worth dealing with, but you might want to try one of the other pharma brands to see if the water retention gets better.

Yeah I'm getting them at a "decent" price, I suppose. Basically it's priced well above generic Chinese, but I've seen some Genotropin pens priced lower, but the price seems too good to be true lol. My favorite pharm grade has been tev tropin where I saw pretty much zero bloat, and I saw a little with genotropin. I've seen the most bloat with the Serostim. But that's good information to have, I had no idea they were all using different fillers.

I go with the Sero's because you can scan the barcode on the phone app from the manufacturer to test legitimacy. If I can find a legit supplier of Tev Tropin then I'll jump on that, or if I can find Genotropin that's been verified legit I'll get some of those. I just remember my doctor's medical sales rep saying how there was a major shortage of Genotropin and it was really hard to come by, yet there were pens all over the place online (maybe that's where they went haha!).

My usual "legitimacy test" if I'm switching suppliers or brands is taking a break from the gh for a few weeks, and then doing 5 iu's before doing moderate cardio on the bike. I get full swollen leg pumps just doing normal pace bike cardio on real gh, and I even get an arm pump doing basically nothing lol. Now that it's winter and I don't have to worry about degradation in shipping, I may go ahead and get some Geno pens from overseas and see what happens.

**jstone** · 11-17-2019, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by kaptainkeezy04

Yeah I'm getting them at a "decent" price, I suppose. Basically it's priced well above generic Chinese, but I've seen some Genotropin pens priced lower, but the price seems too good to be true lol. My favorite pharm grade has been tev tropin where I saw pretty much zero bloat, and I saw a little with genotropin. I've seen the most bloat with the Serostim. But that's good information to have, I had no idea they were all using different fillers.

I go with the Sero's because you can scan the barcode on the phone app from the manufacturer to test legitimacy. If I can find a legit supplier of Tev Tropin then I'll jump on that, or if I can find Genotropin that's been verified legit I'll get some of those. I just remember my doctor's medical sales rep saying how there was a major shortage of Genotropin and it was really hard to come by, yet there were pens all over the place online (maybe that's where they went haha!).

My usual "legitimacy test" if I'm switching suppliers or brands is taking a break from the gh for a few weeks, and then doing 5 iu's before doing moderate cardio on the bike. I get full swollen leg pumps just doing normal pace bike cardio on real gh, and I even get an arm pump doing basically nothing lol. Now that it's winter and I don't have to worry about degradation in shipping, I may go ahead and get some Geno pens from overseas and see what happens.

I used to have a pdf that had all the inactive ingredients for a bunch of different GH brands, but I lost it. I cant seem to find it anywhere now. There are also a few other companies that have apps to verify your product is a legitimate pharma product.

**Ashop** · 11-18-2019, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by pfdept59

Cut down to 2 iu per day until the sides go away and increase dosage 1 iu per week and see if that helps

Solid advice. Same thing I would suggest.

**Kyle1337** · 11-26-2019, 08:38 PM

Update. Been 14 days off of all hgh and Mk677 and hands are still terrible. Running diuretics now too. They are holding a ton of water and it's affecting my everyday life... Even wiping my ass. I've pushed thru sleep via weird hand position methods but I can't figure out the 200 million other issues I experienced daily lol.

Any other thoughts to clear this out? Hit sauna a few times but it's just not going quick enough.

**charger69** · 11-26-2019, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kyle1337

Update. Been 14 days off of all hgh and Mk677 and hands are still terrible. Running diuretics now too. They are holding a ton of water and it's affecting my everyday life... Even wiping my ass. I've pushed thru sleep via weird hand position methods but I can't figure out the 200 million other issues I experienced daily lol.

Any other thoughts to clear this out? Hit sauna a few times but it's just not going quick enough.

Right about now the effects will start weakening. Right around 21 days, I still had the numbness but It weakened so I started back on MK and HGH.
I actually would itch my butt from the sweat and do it so hard I would draw blood because I couldn’t feel my fingers.

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