People with bad knees?

[lui]

I have some trouble training legs lately, i have little cartilage on my left knee and i think the same thing is about to happen on my other knee in less than a year or two.

I always stretch before training and i warm up even more than other days on leg day. I think my knees suffer on leg press and leg extensions are a NO-NO
Doctor said theres no way to regenerate cartilage and told me that stuff like glucosamine has no effect.

So the only way i can think of lubing my joints is using deca i think... how about fish oil? Does it help at all? Is there any thing that worked for you? I dont want to end up having bird legs

[Times Roman]

I have some trouble training legs lately, i have little cartilage on my left knee and i think the same thing is about to happen on my other knee in less than a year or two.

I always stretch before training and i warm up even more than other days on leg day. I think my knees suffer on leg press and leg extensions are a NO-NO
Doctor said theres no way to regenerate cartilage and told me that stuff like glucosamine has no effect.

So the only way i can think of lubing my joints is using deca i think... how about fish oil? Does it help at all? Is there any thing that worked for you? I dont want to end up having bird legs

first, your doctor is a parrot and is only really allowed to say what the FDA and the insurance provider that he belongs to says he can say (i'm thinking Kaiser)

second, if your doctor knew his stuff, he then would have mentioned MSM. it has been used by Vets (veternarians) for decades on race horses and dogs. it promotes cartiledge synthesis and is a mild anti inflammatory. i'm a former competitive distance runner and damaged my knees early on. i've been using for over 15 years with great results. it's very inexpensive, commonly found, and widely available. it's a natural sulphuric compound and also hardens finger/toe nails when applied toppically.

i have other advice if you are interested, but running short on time. either pm me or whatever if you are interested. MSM is very real, and definately works.

Good luck!
---Roman

[lui]

Well actually ive heard mixed opinions about msm, but the fact that people notices no effect bothers me more

[Times Roman]

Well actually ive heard mixed opinions about msm, but the fact that people notices no effect bothers me more

the product works. there are reasons for the mixed opinions. since MSM is very slow acting, they may not have taken long enough (give it a minimum of 30 days to begin to notice the slightest effects)

second, if they are taking tabs, they may not be taking enough MSM. a minimum of 5 grams per day is probably right. the problem is, many take the tabs. and half a gram each, who really wants to take 10 big tablets per day?

third, it doesn't work on every ailment. if the ailment/pain is from friction/exertion/overworked, then MSM is probably right for the job. if you have a bur in your knee, putting a blister on your bursa (what happened to me last year), MSM won't work. that one i had to get an operation for, and now g2g

[lui]

I always wonder how pro's joints keep going on after the massive amounts of weight they use
Will try MSM but im not expecting miracles

[Anonona]

Foam roller into the ITB has helped me. More focused foam roller and myotherapy(trigger point stuff) in general has helped a lot.
MSM as TR recommended.
TB4 helps with inflammation although so do NSAIDs or Deca .
My understanding is that IGF-1 LR3 aids cartilage growth and judging by my MRI it would be of benefit, I am doing further research on this, stay tuned for a log.

[chaps]

I too have a knee which I've lost a lot of cartilage. basically my it band got really tight and compressed my knee, this happened over the course of a summer when I hiked the appalachian trail and eventually caused my knee to start popping out of track. At one point my orthopedic surgeon wanted to to drill a hole in the side of my knee and string through an extra tendon. I chose to hold off on the surgery for a year and try my best to rehab it. You'd never believe what, a year later, had my surgeon telling me I no longer needed the surgery.

Powerlifting. I shit you not. I joined a team and worked with my coaches to develop form that would go easy on my knees. The key was a wider stance and to make sure as hell you push your knees out hard. **** your leg presses and extensions, start squatting. These exercises are a bad angle for your knees. The squat is all you need.

Stretching is also important, but probably the least effective time to stretch is before you work out. If you ease into your workout, you'll find your warmup sets do a far better job of getting your limber than do your stretches. Just get under the bar and start working on depth.

Stretch an hour after you work out when you begin to feel tight, stretch when you wake up, and on your off days hit the sauna and stretch after. The heat will loosen you up for a deeper stretch and also increase your overall bloodflow, healing you quicker for a better workout tomorrow. You'll want to stretch your IT band, quads, hams, calfs... everything that surrounds the knee cap. The knee cap floats, to relieve the pressure on your cartilage you want to make sure it isn't being pulled in any direction, its just that simple. Remember, gaining mobility may be just as hard, if not harder, than getting strength. You need to keep at it and go hard. If you *****foot around for 5 minutes before your workout no shit your not going to ever get any more flexible. A good rule of thumb is 3 sets of 30 seconds static stretch for each muscle, adding 15 seconds for every 10 years past 20. At least once a day, twice a day and you will feel better much fast. Yes this is a shitload of time. You need to decide how much you care about recovering and if you are willing to commit.

But here I am, I squat deep as **** with close to 400lbs (and i'm under 180lbs) and most of the cartilage is missing in my right knee and I have no pain.

Hope that helps, best of luck.

[Anonona]

I too have a knee which I've lost a lot of cartilage. basically my it band got really tight and compressed my knee, this happened over the course of a summer when I hiked the appalachian trail and eventually caused my knee to start popping out of track. At one point my orthopedic surgeon wanted to to drill a hole in the side of my knee and string through an extra tendon. I chose to hold off on the surgery for a year and try my best to rehab it. You'd never believe what, a year later, had my surgeon telling me I no longer needed the surgery.

Powerlifting. I shit you not. I joined a team and worked with my coaches to develop form that would go easy on my knees. The key was a wider stance and to make sure as hell you push your knees out hard. **** your leg presses and extensions, start squatting. These exercises are a bad angle for your knees. The squat is all you need.

Stretching is also important, but probably the least effective time to stretch is before you work out. If you ease into your workout, you'll find your warmup sets do a far better job of getting your limber than do your stretches. Just get under the bar and start working on depth.

Stretch an hour after you work out when you begin to feel tight, stretch when you wake up, and on your off days hit the sauna and stretch after. The heat will loosen you up for a deeper stretch and also increase your overall bloodflow, healing you quicker for a better workout tomorrow. You'll want to stretch your IT band, quads, hams, calfs... everything that surrounds the knee cap. The knee cap floats, to relieve the pressure on your cartilage you want to make sure it isn't being pulled in any direction, its just that simple. Remember, gaining mobility may be just as hard, if not harder, than getting strength. You need to keep at it and go hard. If you *****foot around for 5 minutes before your workout no shit your not going to ever get any more flexible. A good rule of thumb is 3 sets of 30 seconds static stretch for each muscle, adding 15 seconds for every 10 years past 20. At least once a day, twice a day and you will feel better much fast. Yes this is a shitload of time. You need to decide how much you care about recovering and if you are willing to commit.

But here I am, I squat deep as **** with close to 400lbs (and i'm under 180lbs) and most of the cartilage is missing in my right knee and I have no pain.

Hope that helps, best of luck.

Interesting- mine got to this point after a solid hiking season + falls.

The only leg exercise I do is the squat.

I tend to light stretch/light roll before workout, then before bed a hot shower + stretch followed by more foam rolling.

I really appreciate your feedback regarding further mobility work. I was doing some, but not enough for the rate of strength increase after time off coupled with the hiking.

[chaps]

If you still hike, some advice I got from PT was to pull over every hour or so to stretch out if you have a long drive back home. They hypothesised that being in an unmoving sitting position for hours after a strenuous day in the woods was absolute murder for my mobility.