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    Back after a long time away... gonna type my issues out.

    Hey there guys. I used to post here a lot. I will not be 40 for 4 months, but based on what I am posting about, Over 40 seemed like the best place. And although my chronological age is 39, the health meter thingy in the wellness program at work says I might as well be over 50 with my health stats.

    Used to work out a lot, did a couple cycles.

    A couple years before I stopped posting here, I started a new career. I have done well in that, and I have spent a lot of time developing my sons, but everything else in my life has been somewhat neglected and I am now...unhealthy.

    I have high blood pressure, I am over weight, I drink a bit, and I have Low T.

    I want to get back to feeling the way I did years back, and I want to be more healthy.

    I am 5’9”, 215lbs. Was 230, should be about 185.

    BP is 156/101. Been fighting being put on meds for years, have probably done a lot of damage as a result. Lot of heart disease and diabetes in my family. Always procrastinating, saying I am gonna get in shape and lower my BP naturally and it just hasn’t happened.

    My T was 220 when I had blood work done a year and a half ago.

    It is easy for me to put my head down, go to work, make money, take my boys to wrestling practice, come home drink a few cold ones, rinse repeat.

    And time just passes by.

    So....

    For some reason, lately I have really been thinking about resolving all of this. Maybe because I am approaching 40 and really want to be the best version of my self again before it’s too damn late.

    Want to go to a Men’s clinic and get a prescription, but am hesitant because I know test will probably raise my BP and I bet if I went to a clinic now, they wouldn’t give me a prescription because of my BP. Would probably say I have to resolve that first.

    So there is the situation.

    What should I do?

    Just go get BP meds and then go get a prescription for T?

    Or should I start working out and try to resolve my weight and BP naturally before getting any meds?

    Full disclosure, I am basically sedentary at this point, and I drink 3 beers a night during the week, and more at least one day per weekend. This will not stop.

    My schedule makes it difficult to work out, but I know I need to buck up and start. This is the right way to approach my issues, I know. But I know myself and I am not convinced I will work out enough to give the impact required to get down to 185lbs, get my BP in the normal range, and getting my T where it needs to be, natrurally, is the least likely of the 3.

    Any comments, insults, or slaps to the face are welcomed. But really I just needed to type all this stuff out. Because I think I know what I need to do. Leaning towards giving in to BP meds and heading to the Mens’s Clinic once BP is in a healthy range.
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    It sounds like you know what you need to do, but you aren't committed to doing it. Not trying to be harsh, just laying it out there.

    That's a lot of beer, man. I definitely enjoy a good beer, but 3 a night is too many. That's effectively killing your T and raising your E. You say that won't stop, but that is the first place you should start, imho. AT LEAST cut back to one a night. My guess is this has become habit as much as anything else - break the habit and things will start to improve.

    I'm with you on BP meds. I've not had BP issues but I am presently on both Flowmax and Cialis daily for Prostate issues. Those both have a positive effect on blood pressure, might be that you can kill two birds with one stone if you have prostate issues.

    Peep the information at examine.com. Great source of unbiased info for OTC supps, some of which might help in your case. Listen, I know OTC gets a bad rap, deservedly so sometimes. Examine aggregates study info and ranks the supps in various categories.

    Plus THIS SITE RIGHT HERE is the best support network on the planet for the types of issues you are experiencing. You are definitely in the right place.

    Finally, yeah you are right: you know what you need to do. You will do it only when you get committed to doing so and not minute sooner. Good luck on your journey back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman View Post
    Hey there guys. I used to post here a lot. I will not be 40 for 4 months, but based on what I am posting about, Over 40 seemed like the best place. And although my chronological age is 39, the health meter thingy in the wellness program at work says I might as well be over 50 with my health stats.

    Used to work out a lot, did a couple cycles.

    A couple years before I stopped posting here, I started a new career. I have done well in that, and I have spent a lot of time developing my sons, but everything else in my life has been somewhat neglected and I am now...unhealthy.

    I have high blood pressure, I am over weight, I drink a bit, and I have Low T.

    I want to get back to feeling the way I did years back, and I want to be more healthy.

    I am 5’9”, 215lbs. Was 230, should be about 185.

    BP is 156/101. Been fighting being put on meds for years, have probably done a lot of damage as a result. Lot of heart disease and diabetes in my family. Always procrastinating, saying I am gonna get in shape and lower my BP naturally and it just hasn’t happened.

    My T was 220 when I had blood work done a year and a half ago.

    It is easy for me to put my head down, go to work, make money, take my boys to wrestling practice, come home drink a few cold ones, rinse repeat.

    And time just passes by.

    So....

    For some reason, lately I have really been thinking about resolving all of this. Maybe because I am approaching 40 and really want to be the best version of my self again before it’s too damn late.

    Want to go to a Men’s clinic and get a prescription, but am hesitant because I know test will probably raise my BP and I bet if I went to a clinic now, they wouldn’t give me a prescription because of my BP. Would probably say I have to resolve that first.

    So there is the situation.

    What should I do?

    Just go get BP meds and then go get a prescription for T?

    Or should I start working out and try to resolve my weight and BP naturally before getting any meds?

    Full disclosure, I am basically sedentary at this point, and I drink 3 beers a night during the week, and more at least one day per weekend. This will not stop.

    My schedule makes it difficult to work out, but I know I need to buck up and start. This is the right way to approach my issues, I know. But I know myself and I am not convinced I will work out enough to give the impact required to get down to 185lbs, get my BP in the normal range, and getting my T where it needs to be, natrurally, is the least likely of the 3.

    Any comments, insults, or slaps to the face are welcomed. But really I just needed to type all this stuff out. Because I think I know what I need to do. Leaning towards giving in to BP meds and heading to the Mens’s Clinic once BP is in a healthy range.
    I think my first stop would be at the physician/ primary care Dr. for a comprehensive physical. If your Dr. is current on TRT protocol and testing, even better.

    Regarding TRT, I would do some heavy reading at the following link:

    https://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...physician.html

    Self-education can help you recognize the quality ( or lack of) care you're receiving.

    No shame in taking BP meds, many of us require them. On the other hand, a diet and lifestyle change may do the trick.

    Glad to have an old-timer come back home to the forum.
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    Thanks for the replies, fellas.

    Thursday my BP was 174/114, so Friday I went to CVS Minute Clinic and was prescribed 10mg Lisinopril.

    Yesterday my BP was 138/87.

    I jogged for 40 minutes Saturday. Gonna do it again today.

    There is a gym right across from my office. I think I am gonna go check it out and sign up tomorrow so I can work out a bit in the middle of the day.


    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    It sounds like you know what you need to do, but you aren't committed to doing it. Not trying to be harsh, just laying it out there.
    Yes that is it, exactly. I have always liked to party. Stress of my career and family over the years has beat me down and I have dealt with it the wrong way.

    I have always had an “all or nothing” attitude. When I was lifting, everything was on point. Diet and all.

    And when I stopped lifting and eating right, everything went out the window. (That’s the “nothing” part)


    I'm with you on BP meds. I've not had BP issues but I am presently on both Flowmax and Cialis daily for Prostate issues. Those both have a positive effect on blood pressure, might be that you can kill two birds with one stone if you have prostate issues.
    No prostate issues here as of yet. I see from looking around here that lots are taking Cialis and I gather that there are other effects than resolving erectile dysfunction? Interesting.

    Peep the information at examine.com. Great source of unbiased info for OTC supps, some of which might help in your case. Listen, I know OTC gets a bad rap, deservedly so sometimes. Examine aggregates study info and ranks the supps in various categories.

    Plus THIS SITE RIGHT HERE is the best support network on the planet for the types of issues you are experiencing. You are definitely in the right place.

    Finally, yeah you are right: you know what you need to do. You will do it only when you get committed to doing so and not minute sooner. Good luck on your journey back!

    Thanks for the Examine recommendation. I will check it out.

    I have completed step one, which is get meds for BP. Now onto step 2. Which initially upon making this thread I said was heading to the Men’s clinic. But I think I am gonna start working out, and stop drinking every day. Maybe just my golf league day and Friday/Saturday. And see how I feel.

    And maybe I should set a date to go to a doc to get blood work pulled to find out what my T is after doing this for a while... a month? Two? Three? I guess I will have to give that some thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    I think my first stop would be at the physician/ primary care Dr. for a comprehensive physical. If your Dr. is current on TRT protocol and testing, even better.

    Regarding TRT, I would do some heavy reading at the following link:

    https://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...physician.html

    Self-education can help you recognize the quality ( or lack of) care you're receiving.

    No shame in taking BP meds, many of us require them. On the other hand, a diet and lifestyle change may do the trick.

    Glad to have an old-timer come back home to the forum.


    Thanks for the welcome back! Pretty sure I remember your username.

    Thanks for the link. Gonna read that with a cup of coffee now.

    Yes on the physical. I need to find the right doc. My current doc seems very unconscientious. In the past he just seems to shrug his shoulders about everything.

    Gonna spend some time this morning reading that thread and thinking about how to find the right doc for me.
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    A healthy testlevel will not set back your cardiatic levels. As a matter of fact, it will better them instead.
    Remember, low test leads to low e2, which is extremely unhealthy for your heart and arteries. Many experts suggest that is the main reason for the many heart attacks among men.
    So first thing i would do would be get my testlevels back and add 3 dl beetrootjuice every morning.
    Then add a little thing every week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman View Post
    Thanks for the welcome back! Pretty sure I remember your username.

    Thanks for the link. Gonna read that with a cup of coffee now.

    Yes on the physical. I need to find the right doc. My current doc seems very unconscientious. In the past he just seems to shrug his shoulders about everything.

    Gonna spend some time this morning reading that thread and thinking about how to find the right doc for me.

    E2 as in Estradiol? Estrogen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman View Post
    Thanks for the welcome back! Pretty sure I remember your username.

    Thanks for the link. Gonna read that with a cup of coffee now.

    Yes on the physical. I need to find the right doc. My current doc seems very unconscientious. In the past he just seems to shrug his shoulders about everything.

    Gonna spend some time this morning reading that thread and thinking about how to find the right doc for me.
    As AG said.

    I was hesitant to go on bp meds.
    Why though?

    The way I see it even if test did raise your bp, which is person dependant as there are many factors that can cause a rise in bp; you can take a bp med to offset that too.

    More is being discovered about the EPH6 receptor and testosterone signaling epinephrine response in concert. Which is just one of a million things that can increse blood pressure in some.

    So we cant generalize and say it will lower or increase or leave it the same.

    For this reason I think your best bet is to get the bp in check and then seek TRTor cycling or whatever you choose.

    Then monitor bp and adapt if necessary.

    I self medicated script bp meds because I cant stand or afford doctor visits. Usually just wind up with them saying something retarded and me leaving pist.

    I know nothing about bp meds.
    Neither do they.
    There are so many immeasurable factors tgat about all you can do is try things until something fits.
    You better do it though.

    I been hypertensive my entire life. Bad too.

    My fate is pretty much sealed, I will have a heart attack or stroke probably not too far out.


    Don't put it off.

    I already admire you for taking your boys wrestling.
    You are a great dad in a world where boys are being raised pussies. Better stick around for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    As AG said.

    I was hesitant to go on bp meds.
    Why though?

    The way I see it even if test did raise your bp, which is person dependant as there are many factors that can cause a rise in bp; you can take a bp med to offset that too.

    More is being discovered about the EPH6 receptor and testosterone signaling epinephrine response in concert. Which is just one of a million things that can increse blood pressure in some.

    So we cant generalize and say it will lower or increase or leave it the same.

    For this reason I think your best bet is to get the bp in check and then seek TRTor cycling or whatever you choose.

    Then monitor bp and adapt if necessary.

    I self medicated script bp meds because I cant stand or afford doctor visits. Usually just wind up with them saying something retarded and me leaving pist.

    I know nothing about bp meds.
    Neither do they.
    There are so many immeasurable factors tgat about all you can do is try things until something fits.
    You better do it though.

    I been hypertensive my entire life. Bad too.

    My fate is pretty much sealed, I will have a heart attack or stroke probably not too far out.


    Don't put it off.

    I already admire you for taking your boys wrestling.
    You are a great dad in a world where boys are being raised pussies. Better stick around for them.

    Almostgone is talking from experience.
    He was almost gone way too young.


    Thanks—yea. Don’t know if you noticed in my last post, but I started BP meds on Friday.

    Yes, the world is pussified, for sure. All 4 of my boys have wrestled and that has a lot to do with it. Well 3 are wrestling now, oldest is a jr in college and he is not wrestling but he was positively impacted by his experience with the sport. Great sport to teach work ethic, self reliance, mental toughness, etc. So many benefits.




    Joined the gym across from my office yesterday.

    BP is down, but still high. 145/97 Some are saying it could take a few weeks for meds to have their full effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman View Post
    Thanks for the welcome back! Pretty sure I remember your username.

    Thanks for the link. Gonna read that with a cup of coffee now.

    Yes on the physical. I need to find the right doc. My current doc seems very unconscientious. In the past he just seems to shrug his shoulders about everything.

    Gonna spend some time this morning reading that thread and thinking about how to find the right doc for me.
    You might find someone in the A4M directory. Maybe there is some of them in your area? Worth a shot anyway.

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    I would start with getting your diet dialed in better and some exercise. Take some weight off and if you hit 2 months of both these go get your bp checked. If you just go on trt your bp is going to be even worst. By getting yourself set before trt when you do go and get yourself medicated you will have a base diet and exercise already started then you can tweak things to what goals you are looking to achieve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman View Post
    Thanks—yea. Don’t know if you noticed in my last post, but I started BP meds on Friday.

    Yes, the world is pussified, for sure. All 4 of my boys have wrestled and that has a lot to do with it. Well 3 are wrestling now, oldest is a jr in college and he is not wrestling but he was positively impacted by his experience with the sport. Great sport to teach work ethic, self reliance, mental toughness, etc. So many benefits.




    Joined the gym across from my office yesterday.

    BP is down, but still high. 145/97 Some are saying it could take a few weeks for meds to have their full effect.
    Sorry dont know how I missed that.

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    First off at 39, you are a young man & need to take steps now to ensure you’ll become an old man (assumably you want to be there for your sons).

    I don’t feel that the TRT is the answer yet.

    Even with your meds your BP is ridiculously high. Are there any other factors hat contribute (perhaps anxiety/stress)? Please get the BP addressed now.

    The diet and working out are a huge first step, congrats!!!

    3 or more beers is NOT a concern. Do they contribute to the weight and BP? MINIMALLY!

    Then after the meds & lifestyle changes start to normalize your BP, weight & overall health - then you treat/reward yourself with TRT.

    Just my opinion. You’re in capable hands with the dudes that replied already.

    Good luck to you.

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