Without PCT hormones levels will eventually normalize?

**Xana** · 07-15-2007, 07:26 AM

Guys, pls help! I am really stressed out. I just too afraid to take any Serms as I have searched about all of them, and all can affect the eye/vision. Since Ive already have keratoconus and glaucoma, that is just too risk for me. I am taking Cyclofenil and Arimidex , but now I found out that even cyclofenil can affect the eye. And I am already having blurry vision after two weeks of use (I assume it is probably due to decrease of LH and FSH.....

My question:
1. What if I just don´t do PCT? I am not worried about losing gains, just about my healthy. What would be best health wise?
2. Will hormone levels normalize eventually even w/out pct?
3. Will the period with high strogen and cortisol jeapardize my health?

Pls answer if you can help. I am really stressed out.

Thank you very much,

***perfectbeast2001*** · 07-15-2007, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Xana

Guys, pls help! I am really stressed out. I just too afraid to take any Serms as I have searched about all of them, and all can affect the eye/vision. Since Ive already have keratoconus and glaucoma, that is just too risk for me. I am taking Cyclofenil and Arimidex , but now I found out that even cyclofenil can affect the eye. And I am already having blurry vision after two weeks of use (I assume it is probably due to decrease of LH and FSH.....

My question:
1. What if I just don´t do PCT? I am not worried about losing gains, just about my healthy. What would be best health wise?
2. Will hormone levels normalize eventually even w/out pct?
3. Will the period with high strogen and cortisol jeapardize my health?

Pls answer if you can help. I am really stressed out.

Thank you very much,

1. Health wise it wont really be a problem but you will probably be - depressed, low libido, loss of muscle (perhaps more than you started with!) So based on those facts I would not bother cycling if you cant run PCT.
2. Probably although i have met guys whose levels NEVER came back to normal.
3. No just your gains and mood.

Why dont you just run an AI for PCT??

**Xana** · 07-15-2007, 08:39 AM

Thank you a lot Perfectbest for your reply. I am just worn out...without a huge guilty feeling since I knew about my health problems. I can´t sleep and really messing me at my job.

below the cycle I did (6 weeks of test at 500 mg).
week
1 anavar 20 mg a day hgh 2 ui eod
2 anavar 20 mg a day hgh 2 ui eod
3 anavar 20 mg a day hgh 2 ui eod test 500 mg arimidex 1 mg eod
4 anavar 20 mg a day hgh 2 ui eod test 500 mg arimidex 1 mg eod (stopped arimidex due to joint problems)
5 anavar 20 mg a day hgh 2 ui eod test 500 mg
6 anavar 20 mg a day hgh 2 ui eod test 500 mg
7 anavar 20 mg a day hgh 2 ui eod test 500 mg
8 anavar 20 mg a day hgh 2 ui eod test 500 mg

Finished cycling on June 17th

I am presently taking cyclofenil (400 mg per day) and arimidex (.25 per day). I started with cyclofenil on July 2nd and hgh at 2 iu. On July 3rd and only took 200 mg, and on 4rd didn´t take any. Started taking daily dosage of 400 mg on July 5th. I also started Arimidex on July 5th with .25 mg a day. I also skipped the Arimidex dosage couple times because I thought it was aggrevating my shoulders inflamatory(tendon) situation. (Had to stop working out upper body as my shoulder wouldn´t get better).

I just did not know if I could just take Arimidex by itself...or if it would damage my health, hormone levels...no clue....The literature in the internet always mention at least one ai and one serm....Pls help me...

When you said that someguys never got their levels back to normal, is that because they didn´t do pct or just because it didn´t. What I trying to ask it that, will PCT increase my chances of normalizing the hormone levels, or will it just accelarate the process and the hormones will eventually normalize at the same degree.

Thank you so much,

**1luv** · 07-15-2007, 10:42 AM

bump

**x_moe** · 07-15-2007, 12:44 PM

if your too concerned about serm's sides then run a pct with Hcg +AI

**Xana** · 07-15-2007, 02:45 PM

Thanks Xmoe for the reply. Below my blood work 22 days after the end of my above stated cycle.

LDL colesterol 118 mg/dl - normal
Total colesterol 166 mg/dl - normal
hdl colesterol - normal
triglicerides - normal
vldl-colesterol- normal
tgo - normal
tgp - normal
gama-gt - normal
A1C - normal
testestorone livre - 621,3 pmol/l - normal
shbg- normal
total testosterone - 882 ng/dl - normal
estradiol - normal
insulina - normal
FSH- 0.05 REAL LOW
LH - 0.4 UI/L REAL LOW
HGH - 2.9 normal
TSH - normal

my tests are normal, but don´t know how much is mine and how much is from the shots which are still in my system. At the time of the blood work I had one week of PCT.

My question is:
Isn´t it too late to add the HCG now, and is it ok since I did a short test cycle?

Do AIs also stimulate the testicules to go back to normal function as do the serms? My main concern now is my health (specially of my testicles/hormones and eyes).

If I get my blood work done in 2 weeks and results are ok, can I stop with PCT since I am so concerned with my eyes? Or does PCT have to last for 4 weeks at least? What I wonder is if the test levels will go down again if you stop PCT too soon...

Thanks a lot guys,

**1luv** · 07-15-2007, 03:20 PM

where can one get bloodwork like that done and how much does it usually cost. Insurance ever cover something like that?

**Xana** · 07-15-2007, 03:45 PM

Humn...I assume you are in the US, right? Not sure how it works there but....in Brazil, I went to an endocrinologist and explained the situation, so he asked for the blood work.... Guys pls answer my above questions, really lost here....thx again,

**1luv** · 07-15-2007, 05:16 PM

how understanding arre doctors when one jsut walks in and says they used steroids and feel like it has messed up their levels.

**snowfox** · 07-15-2007, 06:27 PM

First cycle I was so dumb as to what you're planning. Yes you will lose your gains (perhaps keep or lose a little with what you started). I would worry about getting tits (estrogen) and mental issues...otherwise I think your health will be fine.

I did keep a little and had no tits or mental issues as well...but my cycle was very low

**Xana** · 07-15-2007, 07:07 PM

Thank you guys for replying.

My biggest concern is.....

If I don´t do PCT, will I increase the chances of my hormone levels never get back to normal, or will they return to whatever level they are supposed to with or without PCT. Pls answer, thx

**x_moe** · 07-15-2007, 10:23 PM

hows your libido ?? honestly man, by looking at your bloodwork and mentioning that only FSH and LH are low then imo you dont need hcg or AI's, grab some Cyogenx from b b.com, it should hopefully do the trick.

**Polska** · 07-16-2007, 12:21 AM

Levels normalizing and the ability for your body to bounce back after a cycle depends partially on your age and partially on your genetics. If you can't run a serm run an AI, the lack of estrogen in your body will force the negative feedback and the testes will start producing testosterone . Also adding herbal supplements like tribulus, longjack, etc. though have not been proven in aiding test production they have been proven in helping with libido which can work to your advantage during PCT

***perfectbeast2001*** · 07-16-2007, 12:43 AM

arimidex on its own is fine mate. I would run it for another 30 days then return for BW.
It is funny how people drop PCT compounds because of there side effects yet the same people are happy to tolerate worse sides when they are using the AS.

**Xana** · 07-16-2007, 09:47 AM

Thank you guys for the responses,

I will do another 3 weeks of cyclofenil at 400 mg daily and arimidex at .25 daily if my eyes don´t get worse. HOw do I tape down off? this week is my last injection of Hgh....Hgh won´t help me health wise, will it? I know it helps with gains, but my concern now is my health....I was taking 2iu of hgh ever other day....is it ok to stop cold turkey? thx a lot,

**305GUY** · 07-16-2007, 10:34 AM

your bloodwork looks damn good as it is for 22 days off.. id just stick to armidex for another week or 2.. your vision is more important than your vanity.. Why stop the hgh though?

**Xana** · 07-16-2007, 05:59 PM

Thank you guys so much for the responses. It is very good to have some there to listen and even get fast responses. Great site and great help...I really really appreciate it.

I am not sure if my eyes are getting blurry perhaps I am being paranoid....so I am going to to ophalmogist on Friday and until then I guess I will stick with cyclofenil at 400 mg daily and arimidex .25 daily unless you guys are sure that if I stop with cyclofenil, my chances of getting my hormone levels back won´t decrease.
1. what do you guys think?

2. I have to taper off the cyclofenil and arimidex when I stop correct? At what rate do I tape off?

3. I think I will do the hgh for one more month but now at 1 iu eod (instead of present 2iu eod), what do you guys think? Again, my only concern is to normalize my hormone levels....Do I need to also taper off HGH?

My exam is not that good as LH and FSH are the hormones with stimulate testicle function and they are extremely low. Thus the testosterone which was tested was alot from the injections....So I still need to get the LH, FSH, and testosterone to normal levels.

Pls answer below questions,

Thank you very very much,