sustanon PCT question

**skinnybastahd9** · 10-21-2007, 03:17 PM

I used 175mgs of sustanon per week for 18 weeks with some androgel thrown in every once in a while. I know this isn't a good cycle. I tapered down a bit for about 3 weeks until I was down to 100mgs and then I ran out. I had ordered all my PCT meds with perfect timing so that they would arrive right when I needed them....but, they never showed up in the mail and then finally I tracked them and found out they were intercepted. I've found a company that does Aromasin and Nolvadex via express and that's 2 out of 3 so that's better than nothing..... And, since supposedly you're not supposed to start your PCT until 18 days after your last sust inject, it would arrive right about on time.

What I'm wondering is....... Do I even need to do the PCT? I think what I've done is a low dosage super long sustanon cycle. Right now, I feel terrible. I'm weak, and my mind is racing all over the place, and I feel very stressed out, and my muscles are smaller.....and I feel an almost overpowering empathy for my cat...

So, my choices are to: go ahead and order the Aromasin and Nolvadex and do this PCT regiment (http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles...postcycle.html) (although I can't find any HCG express so I can't do that part)......OR, to just eat a lot and do a lot of exercise, take lots of tyrosine an vits (I've read some PCT threads)......

What should I do? Any input will be graciously accepted...no judgements please.....

Regards,
Skinny

**dupa95** · 10-21-2007, 05:43 PM

You need a pct for sure what the protocol would be i do not know.

**Merc..** · 10-21-2007, 05:58 PM

Yea you need to do a PCT..

You could also look into adding an OTC product with the aromasin and nolva ( if thats all you can get).. Look into myogen -x ..

How old are you ??

**skinnybastahd9** · 10-21-2007, 07:11 PM

thanks for the replies guys... I'm assuming myogen-x is a natural testosterone increasing supplement....That's a good idea, I'm going to go down to GNC and get some......

So, I need to do PCT, huh? Yeah, I thought so.... :-) OH well.

Thanks,
Skinny

**Merc..** · 10-21-2007, 07:22 PM

Protein factory carries it... Heres a link.. has info on it.. You can also do a search on the board as there is alot of people who like it...

http://proteinfactory.com/shop/produ...9&cat=0&page=1

Merc.

**skinnybastahd9** · 10-21-2007, 09:43 PM

HI...

Okay, so, I went down to the vit store and (duh) they didn't have Myogenix....... but, I got this: http://www.ergopharm.net/products_6oxoextreme.php ------- Does anyone know if this is comparable or any good for my situation? I think that anything will help at this point so I'm going to try a dose.

I'm not done, though... Are there any other OTC products I should get until my Nolvadex and Aromisin come in? Also, will just those two meds without the HCG be effective enough for my situation?

Thanks,
Skinny

**Swifto** · 10-22-2007, 05:28 AM

Some liked MyogenX, some didnt. Add it to your PCT and see.

It seems its cheaper from bodybuilding .com than protein factory.

For PCT. Go with Aromasin and Clomid from AR-R , or another research supply company.

**skinnybastahd9** · 10-22-2007, 05:49 PM

Thanks for the reply, Swifto... Very useful.

This was my first time using steroids and I'm wondering if maybe that'll make my recovery time faster? Usually, how long does it take to start feeling better after you start taking the PCT meds? And will it be OK that I don't have HCG (just Aromasin , Clomid, and 6-OXO) as long as I follow the rest of the PCT protocol? It turns out that HCG isn't a research chemical and I wasn't able to find it.

Regards,
Skinny

**skinnybastahd9** · 10-22-2007, 10:22 PM

i found this thread (HCG vs. CLOMID) that says that you don't need to take clomid and hcg together -- one or the other......so, aromasin and clomid is pretty good....and if i could get some nolvadex i'd be super happy.....too bad they're out of stock at ar...:-(

so, am i right about this? can anyone confirm this for me?

**Swifto** · 10-24-2007, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by skinnybastahd9

i found this thread (HCG vs. CLOMID) that says that you don't need to take clomid and hcg together -- one or the other......so, aromasin and clomid is pretty good....and if i could get some nolvadex i'd be super happy.....too bad they're out of stock at ar...:-(

so, am i right about this? can anyone confirm this for me?

Clomid low dose is just as good, if not better at raising T than Nolva. Nolva is more effective in breast tissue (fighting gyno), whilst Clomid is more active in the pituitary (raising testosterone ).

**skinnybastahd9** · 10-26-2007, 05:57 PM

thanks Swifto...you've been very helpful.

so.....as you may remember, this was an unplanned "detox" from sustanon -- I just ran out while I was waiting for my PCT meds.... I'm totally too busy to take time off to do this, but it looks like that's how it's going to go.....

i got my hands on some 5mg androgel and I've been taking two pouches a day to take the edge off....it's been about three weeks since my last sust inject....I did two gel pouches this morning and I'm starting my Clomid and Aromasin therapy today because I'm feeling like I have A LOT of estrogen in my body circulating so I want to get some of that anti-estrogen action going...... So, my plan is to do this therapy for two weeks....maybe three.... during this time I'm not going to take ANY androgel or any synthetic testosterone of any kind..... and I'm hoping that it works well!

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a note.... This is the last time I'm taking steroids like this....I'm going organic...or %99 organic... since I'm not a body builder -- I'm just a skinny guy with naturally low testosterone that wanted to bulk up a lot (I've gained 10lbs and I still need another 15--I'm also 6'4" so I've got that going for me too, not) so I think that natural testosterone supplements or MAYBE HCG or something will be all I need... this was WAAYYY too much...

thanks again for the replies, you all have helped me out during a very tough situation......... if I'm doing anything wrong --- or if you have any ideas, or things I should read, I'd appreciate it if you would bust them out...

Peace,
SB

**skinnybastahd9** · 10-28-2007, 01:50 PM

Clomid and Aromasin + vit c and e have made me feel SOOO MUCH better....it was like two hours after I took the dose it was like night and day...AHHHHH......wow, that was painful...!

I've been having some strange side effects, though... I find myself clenching my teeth....and also squinting uncontrollably sometimes, usually when I'm trying to concentrate.... Has anyone heard of anything like this? Anyone?

Also, I'm looking for some info on Clomid and Aromasin dosages....I'd like to find out if I could take less of them...maybe it would help with the sides..
Right now I'm doing
70mgs of Clomid (I did the recommended 100mgs yesterday- I'm seeing if less works)
10mgs of Aromasin (20mgs yesterday, again cutting to see if it still works for me at lower dosages)

If anyone could recommend some reading, or point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,
Bastahd