Sound Off on YOUR need for serms, ai's, PCT etc.

[Drummerboy]

Its always been my position that some ppl dont need blockers or ai's on cycle. Some ppl dont even do PCT and they do fine. To me, its all individual. Sometimes i give advice based on that, and i get jumped on for not painting everyone with the same brush. I think thats very unwise. I always ask if they are gyno sensetive, or if they bounce back naturally, and to keep compounds on hand just in case. I personally know ppl who use just deca , dont go limp, and keep their gains. I cant argue with them, cause i SEE it lol! ~~~

So, sound off on what YOU do for estrogen control or PCT!

- do you use ai's or serms on cycle? why?
- do you do PCT always? are you someone who bounces back without it?
- whats your fav. compounds to use on cycle, whatever your goal?
- whats your fav. PCT, or lack thereof?

Just curious!!

~DB~

[Orion811]

I use Arimidex throughout and HCG after.

[Merc..]

Interesting post DB..

Bump

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[oneshot]

running 700 mg of test e and 350 mg tren ace weekly. not using a serm or ai while on cycle and i have no signs of gyno. gonna try pheedno's pct and will let ya know how it goes.

[Mazzive_T]

personally i dont feel the need for nolva or arimidex during cycle (which anti e depending on the compounds i use)

PCT i usually do clomid/nolva/hcg , but do the hcg in PCT aswell as the time when im waiting my 14, 18, or 21 days for compounds to have their half lives.

Im going to try anthony roberts on my next cycle though.

T.

[damiongage]

I have always used nolva and l-dex through out and then added clomid to pct....but I will be trying aromisim next time.

[Merc..]

Let me add to DB question also .... Who has noticed a diffrence in thier gains when using an AI ( or a SERM) ?

[Merc..]

Here is my post on how important estrogen is in the muscle building process... And how driving down estrogen too low will reduce your gains..


Estrogen Will It Effect My Gains



Merc.

[sorel_C]

i noticed my gains are still strong with nolva( i only use it when needed) and with AI's, i dont really notice too much in affecting gains as much as effecting mood and libido,, i expierence the worst side from any AI and even on low doses

[taiboxa]

dont use anything while on..
if for some reason im seeing sides i nerf em w/ letro but that hardly EVER happens (only like 2x in past 6 years).

for pct i run an AI and serm and thats it.. my dietary approach is what wins pct for me.

[Drummerboy]

Here is my post on how important estrogen is in the muscle building process... And how driving down estrogen too low will reduce your gains..


Estrogen Will It Effect My Gains



Merc.

I notice a lot when i cut estro. Right away my joints hurt, and i slow in gains, especially if i cut it hard. Ive posted in your estro thread, i believe it is a major player in bulking and anti-inflamation.

~DB~

[Drummerboy]

dont use anything while on..
if for some reason im seeing sides i nerf em w/ letro but that hardly EVER happens (only like 2x in past 6 years).

for pct i run an AI and serm and thats it.. my dietary approach is what wins pct for me.

Thats something id like to hear... how do you help things with your dietary approach? I too dont really get gyno... except when i took high amounts of dbol , deca and test together. killed it with nolva only.

~DB~

[Drummerboy]

NOTE : i do realize that when you pass a certain volume of compounds that aromatise or activate the estrogen/progesterone receptors it becomes more likely that a person would need some sort of help controlling things. Thats why i always ask cycle, experience, and any info about individual gyno sensetivity. Most of the guys around here arent using over a gram of test a week, 600mg deca and tons of dbol a day... and those that are dont need to ask questions, they prolly already know what to do. Just wanted to clarify that point. Thnx to all that chimed in so far, this could turn out to be an interesting thread

~DB~

[Sculpture]

Hey bro EXCELLENT POST!! I'm that guy who can run deca without test, who can recover without pct and who never uses estrogen blockers etc. on cycle. Right now im on 750mg sus 600mg eq and 350mg deca with no hint of gyno, im not bloated, i look and feel great. I will bridge off this cycle with turanabol. I'll run t-bol long enough to have the injectables all gone from my system and my sex drive is back up high and balls are big. I've done this before, turanabol doesnt seem to supress me any noticable amount in fact i recover to a good extent while still on it. I believe the anti-estrogens and aromatase inhibitors are very unhealthy and i dont use them unless i absolutely have to. I keep nolva on hand in case it's needed but it's not. One time i ran a deca/eq cycle with no test for 6 months, by the very end of the cycle i almost couldnt get it up. 3 weeks off and everything was working great again. I hear guys talking about not recovering from a cycle that included deca for months and months even with pct and i find it hard to imagine. I'm thankful to hav great recovery ability and not be gyno prone.
I once ran a cycle of 1500mg per week sus and 600mg per week deca with 20mg per day nolva and the gains sucked, it was a waste of gear and effort. I dont know how these guys can stand running liver toxic orals (nolva) through a whole cycle with the limited gains and joint wear and tear it causes. Anyway that's my 2 cents thanks for starting such a good thread.

[Drummerboy]

sweet... this is the kind of variable people need to consider about themselves before they go jumping in on serms and ai's... its prudent to have them on hand IN CASE you need them, however some ppl just dont. Thanx for the input, it just goes to show that a person needs to get to know their body/genetics before they go ahead and dose themselves with compounds they may not potentially need.

~DB~

[Drummerboy]

cmon.. more guys should have some input here lol!

[RapaciousShark]

I'm way gyno sensitive, and bc of this estrogen rebound, which i went over in my thread, I really got beef with letro and adex. I like aromasin and I think it's the best AI for PCT. The logic behind A. Rob. PCT is spot on imo. Using an AI that won't unleash all hell's fury of aromatase on you after you stop it is important for gyno sensitive dudes especially.

[sphincter]

I am not gyno prone but I have found that I get incredibly bad acne if I don't use Ldex on cycle... other tha nthat, I seem to recover quickly, never really have any problem getting it up even right after cycle, during PCT or anything. I just cut my PCT short and went back on for various reasons but I do seem to do very well without AI's or SERM's except for the acne...

[ChuckLee]

Its always been my position that some ppl dont need blockers or ai's on cycle. Some ppl dont even do PCT and they do fine. To me, its all individual. Sometimes i give advice based on that, and i get jumped on for not painting everyone with the same brush. I think thats very unwise. I always ask if they are gyno sensetive, or if they bounce back naturally, and to keep compounds on hand just in case. I personally know ppl who use just deca , dont go limp, and keep their gains. I cant argue with them, cause i SEE it lol! ~~~

So, sound off on what YOU do for estrogen control or PCT!

- do you use ai's or serms on cycle? why? No, because I'm not gyno prone and don't care on the lil water I gain on cycle
- do you do PCT always? are you someone who bounces back without it?Yes, always, or my lean gains become fat after the cycle
- whats your fav. compounds to use on cycle, whatever your goal?No use
- whats your fav. PCT, or lack thereof?I prefer Anthony Roberts'

Just curious!!

~DB~

In bold.

CL

[Drummerboy]

I'm way gyno sensitive, and bc of this estrogen rebound, which i went over in my thread, I really got beef with letro and adex. I like aromasin and I think it's the best AI for PCT. The logic behind A. Rob. PCT is spot on imo. Using an AI that won't unleash all hell's fury of aromatase on you after you stop it is important for gyno sensitive dudes especially.

good point... rebound for you would be a harsh issue, so a suicide AI instead of a competative AI might answer your prayers...

~DB~

[Drummerboy]

In bold.

CL

good answers...