Tribulus as Part of PCT?

[dirtyluke1]

Hey its been a while since i've been on a cycle like 2 years clean...
will be starting a 12 week cycle soon
1-12- test enaathate 750mg/week
1-10- tren enanthate 450mg/week
1-5 - d-bol 40mg/day
12-14 HCG 1000 IU every 3 days
14-17 nolva & clomid
my question is would it be benificial to add Tribulus into my PCT i was looking at this product
4Ever Fit TRIB 750 (Tribulus 500mg +Avena Sativa250mg/ cap
would this help recovery??
Thanks in advance

[jimmyinkedup]

IMO capped up grass clippings from your front yard will do as much good for you as those 2 weeds....

[D7M]

agreed. not worth using.

[DrSauce99]

Disagree, 3 months post cycle using that through out PCT and after PCT my test score was 122 on a scale of 30-110.

[jimmyinkedup]

^^^ and what was it with previous pct protocols not including the weed??

i meant your test levels? Im sorry its useless ....if u think it helps you ...and you wanna waste the $ - go ahead. Sometimes perhaps a psychological effect is worth the $ spent.

[DrSauce99]

Just novaldex and arimidex

[Swifto]

Disagree, 3 months post cycle using that through out PCT and after PCT my test score was 122 on a scale of 30-110.

Tribulas wont be the cause of your raise in T.

Sorry,

[DrSauce99]

Tribulas wont be the cause of your raise in T.

Sorry,

Sorry, but you are incorrect.

Tribulus has been shown to raise LH and free testosterone levels in studies. It works, I used it many times in large doses before Ive ever cycled and I had a lot more boners and my strength was up on it. If you say it doesnt work your wrong. Its not like injecting 500mg of TEST though

[SuperLift]

Sorry, but you are incorrect.

Tribulus has been shown to raise LH and free testosterone levels in studies. It works, I used it many times in large doses before Ive ever cycled and I had a lot more boners and my strength was up on it. If you say it doesnt work your wrong. Its not like injecting 500mg of TEST though

Actually... Tribulas has never been proven to raise test levels even the smallest bit.

[Swifto]

Sorry, but you are incorrect.

Tribulus has been shown to raise LH and free testosterone levels in studies. It works, I used it many times in large doses before Ive ever cycled and I had a lot more boners and my strength was up on it. If you say it doesnt work your wrong. Its not like injecting 500mg of TEST though

Post some studies then please mate.

Make sure there peer-reviewed, done on humans and are published and reputable.

Here's mine:

Tribulus works great in MICE. In humans there isnt a single study that shows it works and its been tested more then once.

There isnt any actual science that supports the use of ANY Tribulus species plant in humans for anything other then a possible aphrodisiac effect. The results of tribulus studies in mice do not apply to humans.

http://blog.bodybuilding.com/Sldge


Time and time again I see people recommending the use of Tribulus for boosting testosterone . Its a shame that people somehow still believe or want to believe this compound is worth spending any money on. Since this column is about the science, let?s see what?s out there. In a study done at the Human Performance Lab in NV the researchers found that ?Supplementation with tribulus does not enhance body composition or exercise performance in resistance-trained males.? (1) The Swiss Laboratory for Doping Analyses did a short term study to see if using tribulus would effect the hormone levels of athletes who compete in drug tested events. (2) What were their findings? ?The short-term treatment with Tribulus terrestris showed no impact on the endogenous testosterone metabolism of the two subjects.? Now I know what you are thinking, it was only two subjects, how about something with a bigger test group. No problem. How about 22 elite male Austrailian rugby athletes, certainly that?s a good group of people to test tribulus on.(3) By now you may have guessed that the outcome was not good. Specifically they found ?no between-group differences were noted in the urinary T/E ratio. It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days.? The results also backed up the Swiss Lab syud by finding that ?T. terrestris did not alter the urinary T/E ratio and would not place an athlete at risk of testing positive based on the World Anti-Doping Agency?s urinary T/E ratio limit of 4:1.? The final nail in the coffin comes in this last study done in Bulgaria. (4) Neychev and Mitev from the Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry at the Medical University in Sofia Bulgaria tested tribulus in twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg. They concluded ?tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties.?

So what is the quick and easy take home message? If you are a man or women who wants to gain muscle, lose fat, increase testosterone or any other natural anabolic or androgenic hormones then DO NOT USE TRIBULUS!

1.The effects of Tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance in resistance-trained males.

Antonio J, Uelmen J, Rodriguez R, Earnest C. Human Performance Laboratory, University of Nebraska, Kearney, NE 68849-3101, USA.

2. Short term impact of Tribulus terrestris intake on doping control analysis of endogenous steroids .

Saudan C, Baume N, Emery C, Strahm E, Saugy M.
Swiss Laboratory for Doping Analyses, Institut Universitaire de M?decine L?gale, Centre Hospitalier Universitaire Vaudois and University of Lausanne, Chemin des Croisettes 22, 1066 Epalinges, Switzerland.
3. The effect of five weeks of Tribulus terrestris supplementation on muscle strength and body composition during preseason training in elite rugby league players.

Rogerson S, Riches CJ, Jennings C, Weatherby RP, Meir RA, Marshall-Gradisnik SM.
School of Exercise Science and Sport Management, Southern Cross University Lismore, New South Wales, Australia.

4. The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.
Neychev VK, Mitev VI.
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria

[Swifto]

Actually... Tribulas has never been proven to raise test levels even the smallest bit.

Agreed.

[SuperLift]

Man.. To bad we aren't mice! Lol