Gyno

[Twist]

I am running 50mg prop and 50 mg tren ace everyday. I have had gyno for about 2 months and I cant get it to go away. I have been using letro and I even tried nolvadex (I know why to use letro and why nolv might not be effective) because the letro didn't work. any ideas about what i can do to get rid of it?

[WARMachine]

Look into surgery. As its your best bet.

To learn other methods and more importantly, PREVENTION, read my thread

Running Letro reversals, preventing gyno, and everthing inbetween
"Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT by WARMachine"

[Twist]

should i stop my cycle 2 months short, reduce amounts, cut out tren and run prop only for awhile and try to get gyno under control? what should I do?

[WARMachine]

How long have you been on cycle?

How long have you noticed the gyno?

How much longer on the cycle?

And most importantly, are you sure it has fully grown?

If not, there is a small chance you can reverse it.

[Twist]

I have had it for two months since I started my cycle and it is a four month cycle. Idk if it is fully grown but there are lumps behind my nipple, they don't hurt or itch anymore and I can't feel that they are there (like they don't bother me) but when I feel them with my hand there is definitely a small lump like the size of a dime about a half inch behind my nipple.

[WARMachine]

Sounds like its already there.

Well, id say start some form of treatment so that it doesnt progress.

But be aware that taking Nolvadex at the same time of Tren will lead to progesterone sides.

You have a choice of three options.

1) Forget the Nolva and run Letro(not for reversal, but for estrogen control. Which will lead to your gyno not worsening.)

2) Run the Nolva and get some Caber.

3) Cut the Tren and just run Nolvadex.

The choice is yours.

[Twist]

thanks a lot bro. I think I will cut the tren and run nolva

[Twist]

How much Nolvadex should I be running do you think? tapered down to about .25 mgs of letro from 2.5mgs (i know high dose, and yes I have no sex drive lol). the balls behind my nipples seem to be getting smaller since I started. good sign right?

[Twist]

And Nolvadex kills my gains. anyway to work around that if possible? what a waste of test it will be.

[WARMachine]

How long have you been on the Letro?

And i wouldnt worry about Nolva killing your gains, Letro is much worse loss of gains wise. It can inhibit as much as 98% of estrogen.

Taper off the Letro with Nolva properly to handle the estrogen rebound. And from thenon you can run between 10-20mgs for estrogen control.

[Twist]

I was running nolv for the first month of my cycle and I got gyno anyway (no onset like usual, just one day felt the lumps in both sides, right is bigger) I figured damn I should have been using letro (or something like it) and started letro at 2.5 mgs and have been tapering down and I started nolvadex again today. Any idea how I got gyno while running nolvadex (20mgs ed)? btw very erse prone

[Mammon]

was it nolvadex from a chem site.. nolvadex should block estrogen from binding to the receptors in the breast and causing an issue. even if estogen is elevated.

[Twist]

yea from lion...

[WARMachine]

Any idea how I got gyno while running nolvadex (20mgs ed)? btw very erse prone

Lol yeah i got an idea.

Estrogen binded to the receptors in the breast, and it caused breast growth.

As for why, i have no clue. Bad Nolva? Fake?

Didnt administer properly. Who knows, I cannot say forsure.

[WARMachine]

was it nolvadex from a chem site.. nolvadex should block estrogen from binding to the receptors in the breast and causing an issue. even if estogen is elevated.

Beat me too it!

[Twist]

nolvadex from lion