No Sex Drive...Please help

[jaja]

Only ever done the 1 cycle about 4 years ago (Decca & Test) and no PCT (yeah I know I'm a prick) but that was before I knew what I know now...which isn't a great deal. Anyway my sex drive has just got worse and worse and I don't even think about it now...apart from when girlfriend screams at me that I haven't thrown a shift in for over 6 weeks! I went to my GP had my testosterone checked and was told it within the normal range..I don't believe him..so could you give me your opinon's:

Serum TSH 2.05 iu/L (0.27-4.20)
Serum free T4 level 20.2 pmo1/L (12.0-22.0)
serum prolactin level 74 mu/L (86-324)
serum testosterone 15.8 nmo1/L (10-28)

I hope this means something to you because it means **** all to me!
Would really appreciate your help and advice.

Many Thanks

[ted666]

a low prolactin level can effect sex drive , erections and what not. your prolactin levels are highest in morning and decrease throughout the day . talk straight up with your doc about no sex drive and what not! sorry i cant be more help

[bene7422]

how old are you?yea go back and talk to your doc about it,Mabey he can at least perscribe you some cialis for the time being so u can make your girl happy

[jaja]

Thanks for the replies...Are my prolactin level's low? and I'm 37 years young.
I've got worries getting the 'old boy' up, I just don't have the passion behind it...It just dosen't feel right.

[Indymuscleguy]

How do you correct a low prolactin problem?

[TITANIUM]

Dopamine Agonist Therapy for Erectile DysfunctionDopamine agonist therapy may be helpful to men with erectile dysfunction (ED) including low sexual interest (HSDD) and orgasm problems. This is a particularly helpful treatment for men who suffer from depression, have been treated for cancer or have high levels of prolactin. Sexual behavior is modulated by a number of central nervous system neurotransmitters including dopamine. Dopamine agonists have been reported to improve sexual function. It is postulated that the increased levels of dopamine in the brain from dopamine agonists facilitate sexual functions including sexual interest and orgasm. These changes are induced, in part, by the action of sex steroids (estrogen, testosterone , progresterone) and by the central neurotransmitter dopamine that may play a critical intermediary role in the central regulation of sexual arousal and excitation, mood, and incentive-related sexual behavior.
Bupropion is a dopamine agonist anti-depressant with fewer reported adverse sexual effects than traditional selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors and therefore clinically useful as an antidote to anti-depressant-associated sexual dysfunction. Researchers assessed the effectiveness of management strategies for sexual dysfunction caused by anti-depressant medications. Compared with serotonin reuptake inhibitors, the dopamine agonist bupropion has revealed less desire dysfunction and less orgasm dysfunction and superior overall satisfaction with sexual functioning while no differences were found in self-reported sexual function, number of erections, total erection time or penile rigidity in healthy subjects taking bupropion compared with those taking placebo or baseline.
Treatment with a dopamine agonist such as cabergoline, a potent and long-lasting dopamine agonist is of particular benefit in certain men, especially those with high levels of prolactin. In one study of hyperprolactinemic men, 6 months of treatment with cabergoline normalized testosterone levels , thus restoring and maintaining the capability of normal sexual activity. In another study, investigators compared the effects of chronic treatment with cabergoline and bromocriptine on sexual function in hyperprolactinemic males and found in men with prolactinomas that cabergoline normalized prolactin levels and improved sexual function earlier than bromocriptine treatment.
Nickel and colleagues studied men with psychogenic ED and no elevations in prolactin. Cabergoline treatment resulted in improvement in erectile function, sexual desire, orgasmic function, and the patient's and the partner's sexual satisfaction. Safarinejad reported that cabergoline is effective in salvage therapy for sildenafil non-responders.
In summary, dopamine agonist pharmacologic agents such as bupropion, bromocriptine, cabergoline, apomorphine, and Parkinson-type drugs such as L-dopa, pergolide, pramipexole, and ropinrole may be helpful in men with sexual dysfunction.


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T

[jaja]

Top man T......Thanks

[scorpion1960]

Hey Jaja,
dude I'm in the same boat as u but actually worse because I've been on TRT(Cypionate @100mg/wk) for the last 7 yrs.It worked great for 5 yrs...high libido,normal erections etc.But over the last 2 years I did lots of Tren ,M1T,etc.I never really did PCT cuz my RT would bring me to normal T levels with no loss of gains. Anyways it's just been downhill for the last couple of years and my test levels are in the normal range because of the RT.Recent blood work showed prolactin levels just above the upper limit.I think this is the problem and my doc wants me to do more bloodwork before starting Dostinex.In the meantime I got zero sex drive,zero daytime erections and a pissed off girl(lol).Any ideas anyone???

[Swifto]

Low PRL shouldnt always mean low sex drive. If your PRL is low, your dopamine should be elevated. That shold improve sex drive/labido.

Are your orgasims better than normal?

Your Test is in the moderate range, which I wouldnt be happy with.

Start Clomid/Tamox IMHO.

Clomid 50/25/25/25
Tamox 20/20/20/20

Take some Tribulas for labdio, but as your endogenous T increases, so will your labdio.

I'd like to see your estrogen levels (E1, E2) and LH/FSH.

[elpropiotorvic]

^^ swifto about this ... I was only 19 when I took it but I took tribestan ( tribulus from sopharma ...apparently the best tribulus available,) anyways I took it and I was already horny at my age but then, man it was like out of control I was like an animal wanting ***** every five min ... Nano vapor didn't help lol... But I would fvck like 3 or 4 times a day and still look at my gf like a nice freshlymet pussie..
But then I read on tribulus some more and it's apparently not proven to be truth that that increases t... I don't know If my tincreased but my libido for sure...


Btw guys anything with a good amount of arginine will help A little

[johnCash]

i also noticed that when i took tribulus that my sex drive was higher even though i didnt notice anything extra in gains at the gym. its a pretty easy and cheap sup.

[Swifto]

Ok....

For the last time...

Tribulas will NOT increase endogenous testosetrone. It will NOT increase strength, LBM or increase fatloss. It does NOTHING, but increase labido.

It doesnt matter what standardization your Tribulas product claims, they ALL do NOT increase testosterone in resistance trained males/females.

It can be utilised during PCT, for its labido increasing benifits, thats all.

Nothing...

Nada...

Squat...

Nicht...

Zilch...

[Indymuscleguy]

What suppliment store are you guys getting your Trib?

[green182]

Get some Horny Goat Weed from ProLab. It has...

Niacin 80 Milligrams 500%

Horny Goat Weed (whole herb) (Epimedium grandiflorum) (standardized to 10% icariin) 500 Milligrams *

Maca 4:1 Extract (Lepidium meyenii) (root) 250 Milligrams *

Tribulus Terrestris Extract (fruit) (standardized to 40% furostanol saponins) 250 Milligrams *

Ginkgo Biloba Extract (leaf) (standardized to 24% flavone glycosides; 6% terpene lactones) 120 Milligrams *

Yohimbe Extract (bark) (standardized to 2% yohimbine) 100 Milligrams

If this doesnt fix Libido problems it sure will make you feel like your floatng on clouds eating cotton candy. I love this stuff, I feel great on it

[nonotone]

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[Testomaster]

Only ever done the 1 cycle about 4 years ago (Decca & Test) and no PCT (yeah I know I'm a prick) but that was before I knew what I know now...which isn't a great deal. Anyway my sex drive has just got worse and worse and I don't even think about it now...apart from when girlfriend screams at me that I haven't thrown a shift in for over 6 weeks! I went to my GP had my testosterone checked and was told it within the normal range..I don't believe him..so could you give me your opinon's:

Serum TSH 2.05 iu/L (0.27-4.20)
Serum free T4 level 20.2 pmo1/L (12.0-22.0)
serum prolactin level 74 mu/L (86-324)
serum testosterone 15.8 nmo1/L (10-28)

I hope this means something to you because it means **** all to me!
Would really appreciate your help and advice.

Many Thanks

To me your issue is psychological, your levels are good ...Anyway in case you don't want to start a testo therapy I suggest you the follow :

Week 1 - 4 : HCG 1000 UI / Mon.Wed.Fri.
Week 1 - 4 : Nolvadex 20 mg. / ED
Week 1 -4 : Fareston 60 mg./ED
Week 1 - 4 : Proviron 50 mg. /ED
Week 1 -4 : Vit. E 1000mg. /ED
Week 5 -8 : Fareston 30mg/ED + Nolvadex 10mg./ED + Proviron 25mg./EOD

The program above should work....

A lighter program could be :

Week 1-4 Fareston 60/ED + Nolvadex 20/ED
Week 1-4 Proviron 50/ED
Week 5-8 Fareston 30/ED + Nolvadex 10/ED + Proviron 25/ED

You should try some pd5 inhibitors too (Levitra,Cialis,Viagra,etc.etc.)....

[jaja]

Just a quick thank you for all the advice. As of last week I started to see a Chinese acupuncturist/herbal doctor and she reckons my QI (pronounced Chi) is extremely weak and that is the cause of my problem, but is sure that within 10-15 sessions I will feel brand new. If I have no joy and it turns out she is full of shit then I will definitely be following the advice you lot have given me.
For those of you interested if the Chinese approach works I will let you know once my sessions have finished...I will post it on this thread rather than starting another one...Once again thanks.

[Swifto]

To me your issue is psychological, your levels are good ...Anyway in case you don't want to start a testo therapy I suggest you the follow :

Week 1 - 4 : HCG 1000 UI / Mon.Wed.Fri.
Week 1 - 4 : Nolvadex 20 mg. / ED
Week 1 -4 : Fareston 60 mg./ED
Week 1 - 4 : Proviron 50 mg. /ED
Week 1 -4 : Vit. E 1000mg. /ED
Week 5 -8 : Fareston 30mg/ED + Nolvadex 10mg./ED + Proviron 25mg./EOD

The program above should work....

A lighter program could be :

Week 1-4 Fareston 60/ED + Nolvadex 20/ED
Week 1-4 Proviron 50/ED
Week 5-8 Fareston 30/ED + Nolvadex 10/ED + Proviron 25/ED

You should try some pd5 inhibitors too (Levitra,Cialis,Viagra,etc.etc.)....

HCG shouldnt be used during PCT. The exception is if he has normal levels of LH/FSH and low testosetrone levels, free and total. Classic primary hypogonadism.

And...Why do you add VitE? Its VERY rare for humans to be deficient in VitE. In rats, on the other hand (check those studies...), they may be deficient.

Although Proviron is good for labido, its not for everyone during PCT. It can limit HPTA restoration post cycle because its an androgen.

My advice would be:

HCG 250ius/ED for 15-20 days*

Then...

wk 1-3 Clomid 50mg/ED
wk 3-8 Clomid 25mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED OR Tore 120/100/60/60/60/60

*If free, total T is low and LH/FSH is within normal ranges

Tribulas for labido. PD5 inhibitors for Erectile Dysfunction if needed.

[Testomaster]

HCG 250ius/ED for 15-20 days*

Then...

wk 1-3 Clomid 50mg/ED
wk 3-8 Clomid 25mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED OR Tore 120/100/60/60/60/60

*If free, total T is low and LH/FSH is within normal ranges

Tribulas for labido. PD5 inhibitors for Erectile Dysfunction if needed.

I thought that Tore should be used together with Tamox instead of Clomid , like :

wk 1-3 Tore 60mg/ED
wk 3-8 Tore 60mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED

Anyway I've recently tried Toremifene under the name of Fareston , 3 weeks 60mg/ED , it worked great !

[WARMachine]

HCG shouldnt be used during PCT. The exception is if he has normal levels of LH/FSH and low testosetrone levels, free and total. Classic primary hypogonadism.

And...Why do you add VitE? Its VERY rare for humans to be deficient in VitE. In rats, on the other hand (check those studies...), they may be deficient.

Although Proviron is good for labido, its not for everyone during PCT. It can limit HPTA restoration post cycle because its an androgen.

My advice would be:

HCG 250ius/ED for 15-20 days*

Then...

wk 1-3 Clomid 50mg/ED
wk 3-8 Clomid 25mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED OR Tore 120/100/60/60/60/60

*If free, total T is low and LH/FSH is within normal ranges

Tribulas for labido. PD5 inhibitors for Erectile Dysfunction if needed.

[Swifto]

I thought that Tore should be used together with Tamox instead of Clomid , like :

wk 1-3 Tore 60mg/ED
wk 3-8 Tore 60mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED

Anyway I've recently tried Toremifene under the name of Fareston , 3 weeks 60mg/ED , it worked great !

Tore is very good, yes.

It should be personal preference IMHO. But I am yet to see a SERM raise T more than 146%, as Clomid did at only 25mg/ED. Thats why its the backbone of my PCT.