First cycle, and in need of verification, please

**Yashp** · 09-27-2009, 01:54 PM

Hi guys.

I'm currently researching for my first cycle, which would be the following:

Week 1-12: Test E 500/week
Week 12-15: HCG 500ie ED
Week 12-15/16: Nolva 20 mg ED
Week ?: Arimidex

Will this setup suffice? As far as my knowledge can take me, I should be set with just the Nolva since the HCG would set in and take care of restarting at least some of the LH. And the Nolva would also suffice if there'd be a case of gyno, which I haven't got the faintest idea of whether I'm prone to.

Should I go fetch myself some Arimidex ? If so, then why? Would it be better to prevent gyno during a cycle? Can't really seem to get why it should be necessary with Arimidex this cycle, but please enlighten me.

Thanks in advance.

**2jz_calgary** · 09-27-2009, 05:41 PM

arimidex is an aroimitase inhibitor, it is best used on cycle, however can be done in pct as well. I would add some clomid to pct. dosages usually look something like this:
clomid: 100 50 50 50 for pct
arimidex every second day on cycle .25mg

**nonotone** · 09-27-2009, 11:38 PM

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**Kibble** · 09-28-2009, 12:08 AM

Can't you run 10mg nolva per day to control the estrogen? I say Clomid and Nolva for pct.
Clomid 100/50/50/20
Nolva 20/20/10/10

**Yashp** · 09-28-2009, 08:15 AM

But won't a usage of either Arimidex /Nolva cut down on the gains? I mean, estrogen is nice to have, although not in great quantities. Am I right?

I know it's nice to have around for taking care of estrogen-related sideeffects, so I'd definately have some at any given point, but everyday-usage seems somewhat weird to me. Can you please break it down for me?

**nonotone** · 10-05-2009, 12:08 PM

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**TITANIUM** · 10-05-2009, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Yashp

Hi guys.

I'm currently researching for my first cycle, which would be the following:

Week 1-12: Test E 500/week
Week 12-15: HCG 500ie ED
Week 12-15/16: Nolva 20 mg ED
Week ?: Arimidex

Will this setup suffice? As far as my knowledge can take me, I should be set with just the Nolva since the HCG would set in and take care of restarting at least some of the LH. And the Nolva would also suffice if there'd be a case of gyno, which I haven't got the faintest idea of whether I'm prone to.

Should I go fetch myself some Arimidex ? If so, then why? Would it be better to prevent gyno during a cycle? Can't really seem to get why it should be necessary with Arimidex this cycle, but please enlighten me.

Thanks in advance.

Run the HCG @ 250 iu's X 2 wk for 12 wks.

You can run HCG with Nolva.No problem

It's always a good idea to have an AI on hand, adex is good and also letro if you get into serious gyno problems.

I would run the nolva @ 10 mgs ed for the 12 wks.

PCT starts 2 wks after your last test injection.

Clomid =100/50/50/50
Nolva=40/20/20/20

Your first cycle is a litmus test to see what your body does with syn test.

Adex is run during more complex cycles, but you do not need it,(probably) for this cycle.And you don't need to run both adex and nolva together for this cycle.IMO

Adex is a AI and a test activator.Yes, it helps your natty test while on cycle.

Your questions are valid ones.

I am assuming you are of 25 years of age.

Best

T

**j4ever41** · 10-05-2009, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by konateh

No, it is favorable to keep it at a natural level, and for males that is close to zero.
Having no estrogen at all is not good. Females using nolvadex in conjunction with breast cancer therapy have experinced trouble with cognition after prolonged lack of estrogen. Both nolva and clomid will completely stop estrogen from binding to the receptors within the cells if taken in large enough doses and that is the same as having no estrogen at all..

When you are using them daily, you will block the estrogen related sides completely. Estrogen causes electrolyte imbalances --> water retention. The water you are holding makes you a bit stronger and makes you look bigger, this is often misinterpreted as muscle gains, but it's not muscle - it's water.. You loose the water you are holding when you come off the steroids and the estrogen levels go down.

In my opinion - if you are doing one cycle and then coming of steroids for a while it's worth it using an aromatase inhibitor or a sarm to prevent estrogen related sides from happening. On the other hand, if you like being bloated (looking bigger) and feel totally safe that you will not get gynecomastia you could do the cycle without them.

Agreed!