I can't recover

**gymfu** · 07-17-2011, 09:36 PM

Hi, I've ran two cycles in the past and recovery from the first was weak and prolonged, the second never happened.

Cycle 1: test e 500mg per week, 9 weeks
ran hcg at 250 twice per week the whole time
PCT Clomid/Nolva
300/100/50/50
40/40/20/20

Test was tested about 3 months after PCT and was at 450ng/dl

Cycle 2: Test sust 700mg, deca 550mg, dbol 30mg first 3 weeks, rest was ran for 16 weeks.
ran HCG only the last month of injections and upto PCT
PCT: Clomid/Nolva
100/100/50/50
40/40/20/20

Test never recoverd after this one after three months I was still down to
160 ng/dl

I knew I needed to do more PCT so I decied to run a pre contest cycle and do a show coming up. I would like to get off everything for awile and recover this time.

My current cycle: Prop 100mg EOD, Tren A 100mg EOD, Winny 50mg EOD, Anavar 60mg per day.
This time I am using HCG at 250ius twice per week from the start.

So I have be doing some reading and I know I need to increase my PCT to atleast 5 weeks but maybe longer? And should I be using something other than the standard Clomid/Nolva?

I was hoping one of you gurus could rescue me, Thanks a bunch.

**gymfu** · 07-18-2011, 12:08 PM

Thought of some things I should add.

Stats:
31yrs
11yrs training
started cycling at 29
225lbs now while cutting
10% bf
5ft 11in

Also when my test was at 160 about 3 months out, my FSH and LH were both a little low; now I had everything tested again one month later and test was the same but the FSH and LH were bearly in range. This is one of my major conserns because I know that the testies only produce what they are told to produce via FSH and LH.

**Lemonada8** · 07-18-2011, 05:10 PM

Run the nolva 2 weeks after stopping the clomid. Good move adding in HCG .

make sure you run the test p a week longer than the other compounds to make sure they are out of your system

**gymfu** · 07-18-2011, 07:23 PM

Thanks for the help, I know your one of the smart people on this forum.

So just to be clear, run test one week longer (I was planning on doing that, I also did that with cycle #2), use clomid 4 weeks or 5? What doses for clomid and nolva?

Maybe this: Clomid/Nolva
100/100/50/50/50
40/40/40/20/20/20/20
I also plan on bumping the hcg to 500ius twice per week once I quit injections up to start of PCT.

Can I or should I stay on the HCG through PCT? What realy conserns me about my second cycle was that my FSH and LH were low three months out! I was under the impression that the FSH and LH come back quick. I mean if thats low then the test will never get back to normal.

**gymfu** · 07-20-2011, 07:20 PM

bump

**Lemonada8** · 07-20-2011, 10:56 PM

that plan looks good. your LH and FSH will go up with clomid and nolva. and when you use HCG on cycle, it just enhances your recovery.

however, if you are having issues with clomid sides, lower the dose. and i thnk 4 weeks of clomid will be plenty. then keep on the nolva, that will help prevent a rebound due to too much stimulation

**gymfu** · 07-22-2011, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

that plan looks good. your LH and FSH will go up with clomid and nolva. and when you use HCG on cycle, it just enhances your recovery.

however, if you are having issues with clomid sides, lower the dose. and i thnk 4 weeks of clomid will be plenty. then keep on the nolva, that will help prevent a rebound due to too much stimulation

Ok, so just one more question, I know standard protocol is to discontiue the hcg at the start of PCT but since I know my LH was still low months after my PCT should I run the HCG longer. Thoughout PCT and after?

And I've never had any clomid sides.

**oldnsedentary** · 07-22-2011, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by gymfu

should I run the HCG longer. Thoughout PCT and after?

No! Stop the HCG before PCT.

**Lemonada8** · 07-22-2011, 10:58 AM

If you want, do a bolus of Hcg the first day of pct of like 1000iu. but you dont wanna use hcg during pct.

**Swifto** · 07-22-2011, 12:21 PM

Ramp the HCG to 500ius/E2D out from PCT for about 4-5 shots, get endogenous T right up or try to stimulate the testes more so. This is when to give them a kick, not when your taking SERMs as well.

I pretty much agree with the advice given here.

Are you using an AI on cycle?

**gymfu** · 08-01-2011, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Ramp the HCG to 500ius/E2D out from PCT for about 4-5 shots, get endogenous T right up or try to stimulate the testes more so. This is when to give them a kick, not when your taking SERMs as well.

I pretty much agree with the advice given here.

Are you using an AI on cycle?

Thanks for the help guys, sorry it's been awile, I've been out of town and just really busy.
I usually do use an AI but this cycle is lower doses than my previous bulking ones, so I decided no to. Should I be using something? I have some on hand I could get on now.