Provion can use for PCT or not?

**Andy Hui** · 01-19-2012, 11:30 PM

Hello all guys,
I would like to confirm Provion can use for PCT purpose or not?
Thanks

**Userat204** · 01-20-2012, 03:44 PM

I Would say no to proviron in pct. It's not completely suppressive but is somewhat and you don't want any extra hpta suppression in pct. At this point you are trying to recover natural hormone levels as fast as possible, serms/ai are all you need, with hcg prior to serms.

Adding more to lower SHBG or anything else is not allowing for your body to go back to normal and if it's causing even slight hpta suppression it is counter productive.

**Andy Hui** · 01-20-2012, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by Userat204

I Would say no to proviron in pct. It's not completely suppressive but is somewhat and you don't want any extra hpta suppression in pct. At this point you are trying to recover natural hormone levels as fast as possible, serms/ai are all you need, with hcg prior to serms.

Adding more to lower SHBG or anything else is not allowing for your body to go back to normal and if it's causing even slight hpta suppression it is counter productive.

Thanks guy,

I know Clomid can use for PCT, but the salesman tell me Provrion have same function. So I have this question.
Thank you

**TheClinch** · 01-20-2012, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Andy Hui

Thanks guy,

I know Clomid can use for PCT, but the salesman tell me Provrion have same function. So I have this question.
Thank you

What was your cycle? This will determine the pct strategy that will best help your recovery.

Were you using HCG during cycle to avoid testicular atrophy?

**Andy Hui** · 01-21-2012, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

What was your cycle? This will determine the pct strategy that will best help your recovery.

Were you using HCG during cycle to avoid testicular atrophy?

My cycle is D-Bol + Androlic or D-Bol + Susatnon

**ramacher** · 01-21-2012, 05:07 AM

Proviron really does nothing to help or recover your HPTA during PCT. I use it 50mg a day to keep my libido flowing as use it as a bridge between cycles. Other than that, it really doesn't have much use.

**wmaousley** · 01-21-2012, 06:12 AM

Proviron is an androgen end of discussion

**Swifto** · 01-21-2012, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by wmaousley

Proviron is an androgen end of discussion

So because of that Proviron wont raise total testosterone in healthy eugondal males?

Its not a good choice for PCT, but some can use it to boost labido with no adverse side effects (impact on HPTA) such as... ME.

**TheClinch** · 01-21-2012, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Andy Hui

My cycle is D-Bol + Androlic or D-Bol + Susatnon

....gonna need a bit more info than that....
mg/week? how many weeks for each compound?

**Andy Hui** · 01-22-2012, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

....gonna need a bit more info than that....
mg/week? how many weeks for each compound?

1-3 week Dianabol 40mg Ed,
4-7 week Anabolic 50mg Ed + Dianabol 20md Ed or Sustanon 250mg Ed,
8-10 week Dianabol 40mg Ed .

I am not sure use Provrion or Clomid after cycle for PCT?

**redz** · 01-22-2012, 10:43 AM

Through my time here I have seen many cases where people had a hard time recovering and then I discovered they had used proviron during pct. I know not everybody has this problem but it certainly seems a reasonable number do. Clomid and Nolva is the base of my pct every time.

**TheClinch** · 01-22-2012, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Andy Hui

1-3 week Dianabol 40mg Ed,
4-7 week Anabolic 50mg Ed + Dianabol 20md Ed or Sustanon 250mg Ed,
8-10 week Dianabol 40mg Ed .

I am not sure use Provrion or Clomid after cycle for PCT?

Really 1750mg/week of test? Thats a bit much amigo. Was that a typo?

Heres your pct plan.
HCG 2x/week 250iu while on cycle until 3 days before start of pct
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20/20

**Andy Hui** · 01-22-2012, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

Really 1750mg/week of test? Thats a bit much amigo. Was that a typo?

Heres your pct plan.
HCG 2x/week 250iu while on cycle until 3 days before start of pct
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20/20

Susatnon is only oral drug, and I will take Liv52 per day

**TheClinch** · 01-23-2012, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Andy Hui

Susatnon is only oral drug, and I will take Liv52 per day

No it is not. Sustanon is an injectable testosterone with a blend of esters.

Whatever you have is not sustanon.

Not to mention an 8 week oral only cycle is a recipe for disaster.

**Andy Hui** · 01-24-2012, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

No it is not. Sustanon is an injectable testosterone with a blend of esters.

Whatever you have is not sustanon.

Not to mention an 8 week oral only cycle is a recipe for disaster.

I see the "Hi-tech" oral sustanon same of inject drug

**TheClinch** · 01-24-2012, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Andy Hui

I see the "Hi-tech" oral sustanon same of inject drug

No it is not the same.

**redz** · 01-24-2012, 09:47 AM

I see the "Hi-tech" oral sustanon same of inject drug

Not a steroid .....

**Bonaparte** · 01-24-2012, 10:34 AM

Oh God...
OP, you're not even buying steroids , but supplements with steroid names.

But it's probably for the best, since you don't have a clue as to what you are doing and stand a good chance of hurting yourself with AAS.

**TheClinch** · 01-24-2012, 10:39 AM

Thank you Bonaparte.
OP, are you getting the idea now?

**Andy Hui** · 01-24-2012, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

No it is not the same.

But It can gain muscle or not?

**Andy Hui** · 01-24-2012, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Oh God...
OP, you're not even buying steroids , but supplements with steroid names.

But it's probably for the best, since you don't have a clue as to what you are doing and stand a good chance of hurting yourself with AAS.

Have you try this supplement before, or have any result?

**TheClinch** · 01-25-2012, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Andy Hui

But It can gain muscle or not?

What is your:
Height
Weight
Age
Bf%
?

**Andy Hui** · 01-25-2012, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

What is your:
Height
Weight
Age
Bf%
?

5'7 / 130lbs / 37yrs / 10% bf

**TheClinch** · 01-25-2012, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Andy Hui

5'7 / 130lbs / 37yrs / 10% bf

Okay, pump the brakes right there Andy. I don't care if you're asian, black, or puerto rican, at your height you should be heavier. ......No, its not all genetics, its mostly your diet! (I've heard your probable response a thousand times so save it) In fact, a proper diet is so instrumental in weight gain/maintenance that without one you are not going to keep any weight gained while on ACTUAL steroids .

Go to the diet section and introduce yourself, then post your daily food intake and ask for advice.

Do not use steroids you arent ready yet.

**gym_junki** · 01-25-2012, 02:16 AM

Diet diet diet... Don't ever buy steroids from GNC lol

**Andy Hui** · 01-25-2012, 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

Okay, pump the brakes right there Andy. I don't care if you're asian, black, or puerto rican, at your height you should be heavier. ......No, its not all genetics, its mostly your diet! (I've heard your probable response a thousand times so save it) In fact, a proper diet is so instrumental in weight gain/maintenance that without one you are not going to keep any weight gained while on ACTUAL steroids .

Go to the diet section and introduce yourself, then post your daily food intake and ask for advice.

Do not use steroids you arent ready yet.

I know I need diet and eat more, but I only eat 3-4 time Ed, because my office working time is 0900-1800 per day

**Andy Hui** · 01-25-2012, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by gym_junki

Diet diet diet... Don't ever buy steroids from GNC lol

I have not buy any item from GNC, I have Hi-tech sustanon 250 place from online shop, the BD Androlic 50mg and DS Dianabol 10mg buy from Thailand

**TheClinch** · 01-25-2012, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Andy Hui

I know I need diet and eat more, but I only eat 3-4 time Ed, because my office working time is 0900-1800 per day

Get your diet figured out! Seriously! You will be very dissapointed with your results if you dont!
Stop making excuses!

**TheClinch** · 01-25-2012, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by Andy Hui

1-3 week Dianabol 40mg Ed,
4-7 week Anabolic 50mg Ed + Dianabol 20md Ed or Sustanon 250mg Ed,
8-10 week Dianabol 40mg Ed .

I am not sure use Provrion or Clomid after cycle for PCT?

FYI 10 weeks of oral steroids is way to long. Taking orals this long will be very hard on your liver and without the presence of testosterone after your suppression occurs you will feel very lethargic. Not to mention a myriad of other sides you can experience with low test...

Honestly the dianabol and androlic are probably real steroids but the sustanon250 oral is a fake. It doesnt exist. Trash it.

**Andy Hui** · 01-25-2012, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

Get your diet figured out! Seriously! You will be very dissapointed with your results if you dont!
Stop making excuses!

Yes sir

**Andy Hui** · 01-25-2012, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

FYI 10 weeks of oral steroids is way to long. Taking orals this long will be very hard on your liver and without the presence of testosterone after your suppression occurs you will feel very lethargic. Not to mention a myriad of other sides you can experience with low test...

Honestly the dianabol and androlic are probably real steroids but the sustanon250 oral is a fake. It doesnt exist. Trash it.

You are right, I feel very lethargic

**TheClinch** · 01-25-2012, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Andy Hui

Yes sir

Look im done here. You need to research more about how to use steroids properly. Ie: eating, training, hcg protocols, pct protocols, presence of injectable test in cycles, proper cycle layouts, anti estrogens, dealing with gyno. These are just the tip of the ice berg that you need to clearly understand.

For now you must change your lifestyle. If you want to grow it first starts in the kitchen and secondly in the gym. Its dedication, perseverance, and desire. Its not instant, its years of doing the right thing. You have so much weight to gain naturally before using steroids its incredible. You can do it you just got to want it. Good luck...

**TheClinch** · 01-25-2012, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Andy Hui

You are right, I feel very lethargic

Stop using right now and start a pct!

Nolvadex 40/20/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50

Per day mg dosage indicated for weeks. Example nolva 40mg/day for first week then 20mg/day for four weeks.

Terrible idea to use without knowing what you are doing to your body.