PCT plan didnt work

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I was on a 14 week cycle:

weeks 1-4
Winny 50mg (oral)

weeks 1-12
Deca 300mg

weeks 1-14
Test E 500mg

1mg adex everyday

Started my PCT 3 weeks after my last Test E injection

days 1-7 100mg Clomid

days 8-37 20mg Novla

And for about 2 weeks in the middle of it I was using 500iu's of HCG every other day.

I got my levels checked last week (I have been off for about 3.5 weeks now) and they were in the dirt and my libido is crushed as well.

Any help would be apprecited. I have access to all of the above.

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That was a horrible PCT.
Clomid and Nolva has a synergy and should be run together.
While you are trying to restart, you introduce HCG which disrupted the negative feedback loop, and kept you shut down.
Your AI dose was way too high, and you may have "crushed" your E2, which in itself will make you feel like shit, and give you a limp.
Post you stats, and bloodwork.
You should do another proper PCT.

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What stats and bloodwork should I post?

I drew quite a bit of labs the other day.

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What stats and bloodwork should I post?

I drew quite a bit of labs the other day.

Age, height, weight, BF, cycle history.

Test total/free, SHBG, E2, Prolactin, LH, FSH, (TSH, T3)

How did u feel during cycle?
Is your source reliable? (U think u got good gear?)

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Thanks for the help

Age 38

5th cycle 1st time using deca

Felt great no problems

Total test was 149
Free was 19.5
Fsh 1.7
Cortisol 14.40

Had E2 and LH drawn this morning will post when I get them.

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Oh yeah source is good no problems with that.

[Flier]

Your balls normal?
Can u post BW with ranges?
When was your cortisol drawn?

If it was me, I would do something like,
2 weeks of HCG 500iu EOD / Nolva 10mg ED. (unless your balls feel fine, and they never shrunk or hurt)
Then,
Clomid 100/50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20
2mg Vit C ED

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Balls are normal shrunk but they came back no pain

BW is only about 4lbs off and bf% creeped up a bit by maybe 4% from 8-12 but I have been much looser with the diet etc trying to put weight back on after a flu I got.

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Balls are normal shrunk but they came back no pain

BW is only about 4lbs off and bf% creeped up a bit by maybe 4% from 8-12 but I have been much looser with the diet etc trying to put weight back on after a flu I got.

I meant Bloodwork ranges.

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Oh ok

250-1200 for free
35-155 for total

[Flier]

Oh ok

250-1200 for free
35-155 for total

Thats not correct.

When u get all your BW, post it like this:

Total test: 149 (250-1200)
etc.....

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For what I have thus far

FSH 1.760 (1.5-12.4)
Cortisol 14.40 (6.2-19.4)
Free Test 19.5 (35.0-155.0)
Total Test 149 (250-1100)

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For what I have thus far

FSH 1.760 (1.5-12.4)
Cortisol 14.40 (6.2-19.4)
Free Test 19.5 (35.0-155.0)
Total Test 149 (250-1100)

Strange them testing for FSH and not LH at the same time.
I think you should go ahead with the second PCT I outlined.
The older you get, the harder it is to recover. It also seems the more you shut your HPTA down (cycle), your chances of ending up on TRT increases. Oddly some can cycle it seems forever without PCT, and age "normally". We are very different.
At your age, I wouldn´t do any more 14 week cycles, but keep´em short. Like 8 week Prop cycles. And just skip the Deca and Tren unless you have some very specific goals you feel you can´t reach with Test alone.
Ofcourse, you can´t cycle before you recover from this one.
What was your Base BW? Did you do BW prior to this cycle? What about BW after your prior cycles, did you recover?

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You have been more than helpful and I appreciate it.

1. Are you reccomending the second cycle thats the clomid/tamoxifen 5 week cycle + Vit C?

2. I am going to assume to get my levels checked again once I finish that up right?

3. When you say "prop" cycles you mean Test Prop right? I am pretty sure I would have a hard time getting that. I can get E really easily though.

4. I do PL meets 2x a year and I wanted to jump to the next weight class instead of having to really diet down every meet like I am doing now so I wanted to use Deca again but this time actually put on some weight. You still think its a bad idea?

5. I have all of the baselines but they are on a computer that I cant access right now.

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You have been more than helpful and I appreciate it.

1. Are you reccomending the second cycle thats the clomid/tamoxifen 5 week cycle + Vit C?Yes

2. I am going to assume to get my levels checked again once I finish that up right?Always

3. When you say "prop" cycles you mean Test Prop right?Yes I am pretty sure I would have a hard time getting that. I can get E really easily though.Ok, you´ll probe be ok. The more u cycle, the older u are, the greater chances of TRT in the future. Make sure it´s worth it.

4. I do PL meets 2x a year and I wanted to jump to the next weight class instead of having to really diet down every meet like I am doing now so I wanted to use Deca again but this time actually put on some weight. You still think its a bad idea?No, not for achieving your goals. Deca is a great cutting compound, especially the short ester. I am referring to Deca being a harsh compound with unique side effects not seen from test. I have never done Deca, and never will. I fear the dreaded "Deca Dikk" and other Prolactin related sides, not worth it. If all u want to use Deca for is cutting, find another cutting compound. How about just Test Prop next time? And if u wish, stack with Mast.

5. I have all of the baselines but they are on a computer that I cant access right now.

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