How long till balls start responding

[boxer08]

When will my balls start to go back to normal, im on day 11 of my pct and have noticed no changes

[Sworder]

Did you use hCG on-cycle?

[boxer08]

Did you use hCG on-cycle?

No hcg was used on cycle

[armyranger516862006]

How did you run the HCG ? What is your PCT?

[Jonnyg419]

I hate to say it but I finished my cycle 5 weeks ago, and my balls are definitely fuller, but my libido is still in the gutter

[MickeyKnox]

No hcg was used on cycle

You've been here long enough to know better than that.

You could try a short blast after PCT to try to stimulate them. Lots of info here on that.

[boxer08]

How did you run the HCG? What is your PCT?

I never used hcg on the cycle and my pct is clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20...ill be starting my 3rd week on monday and still have not noticed anyhting. My pct was 4 weeks later than it should of been due to illness. Is there anything else i could run at this point of pct to help

[Sworder]

Blasting the hCG now would be your best bet to have them responding to the LH/FSH produced with the help of Nolva/Clomid. Do you have hCG on hand?

[boxer08]

Blasting the hCG now would be your best bet to have them responding to the LH/FSH produced with the help of Nolva/Clomid. Do you have hCG on hand?

Will it cause further problems with estrogen though?? I have a 2500 kit on hand and could order more

[boxer08]

Ill be starting week 3 of my pct tomorrow as well so my clomid and nolva dosages will be dropping to 50 and 20 should i continue it this way?

[KarsenH]

If Boxer08 had started his PCT on a regular time frame (sorry for your illness), would he have been required to use hCG still? You're saying he should have used this ON cycle??

[Sworder]

The reason to use hCG is to keep the testes responsive to LH from the pituitary.

For you to resume testosterone production post cycle your brain(hypothalamus) needs to:
1. detect there is no exogenous androgens/excessive hormones.
2. signal to the pituitary to produce LH/FSH
3. LH needs to stimulate the production of testosterone in the testes.

Seems pretty simple but the thing is they "fall asleep" they atrophy when they are not in use. So hCG is used to keep the testes responsive during the cycle so that it can quickly produce testosterone. If you do not use hCG during the cycle your testes may be rather unresponsive to the LH and take a while to start testosterone production again.

So at that point you have two choices. Continue your PCT and wait for the testes to respond. OR attempt to speed up the testes' recovery by blasting hCG.

The problem with this is that you are going to "back track". Since hCG is like LH it will interfere with point number 1. The hypothalamus will signal the pituitary to stop producing LH. And then we are starting back from the beginning, this time with responsive testes. HCG clears from your system relatively quickly so this may not be very disadvantageous. If you sense that your testes are very atrophied you can use the following protocol:

2500IU hCG E3D for 15 days.
Then follow up with your PCT.

Also, it is good to include an AI to keep estrogen low. Having a high estrogen will also disrupt point 1. An AI for PCT is actually very good, I will have to write a more detailed post about that at another time.

So Boxer, for you. Continue your PCT(as you are fighting the gyno as well right?) have the adex @ 0.25mg EOD discontinue if your e2 is getting too low.

Blast the hCG if you feel that is needed. The further you are waiting for hCG, the sooner your testes will automatically come back. So at this point you may not need to blast the hCG as it has taken a while already. I don't know the volume of your testes, so you should be the best judge if the hCG blast is necessary.

[boxer08]

The reason to use hCG is to keep the testes responsive to LH from the pituitary.

For you to resume testosterone production post cycle your brain(hypothalamus) needs to:
1. detect there is no exogenous androgens/excessive hormones.
2. signal to the pituitary to produce LH/FSH
3. LH needs to stimulate the production of testosterone in the testes.

Seems pretty simple but the thing is they "fall asleep" they atrophy when they are not in use. So hCG is used to keep the testes responsive during the cycle so that it can quickly produce testosterone. If you do not use hCG during the cycle your testes may be rather unresponsive to the LH and take a while to start testosterone production again.

So at that point you have two choices. Continue your PCT and wait for the testes to respond. OR attempt to speed up the testes' recovery by blasting hCG.

The problem with this is that you are going to "back track". Since hCG is like LH it will interfere with point number 1. The hypothalamus will signal the pituitary to stop producing LH. And then we are starting back from the beginning, this time with responsive testes. HCG clears from your system relatively quickly so this may not be very disadvantageous. If you sense that your testes are very atrophied you can use the following protocol:

2500IU hCG E3D for 15 days.
Then follow up with your PCT.

Also, it is good to include an AI to keep estrogen low. Having a high estrogen will also disrupt point 1. An AI for PCT is actually very good, I will have to write a more detailed post about that at another time.

So Boxer, for you. Continue your PCT(as you are fighting the gyno as well right?) have the adex @ 0.25mg EOD discontinue if your e2 is getting too low.

Blast the hCG if you feel that is needed. The further you are waiting for hCG, the sooner your testes will automatically come back. So at this point you may not need to blast the hCG as it has taken a while already. I don't know the volume of your testes, so you should be the best judge if the hCG blast is necessary.

I think hcg is needed and i am still battling estogen so im afraid the hcg will worsen my problems. My testicles haven changed in size so far and its the start of my 3rd week today

[Sworder]

Ok, run the hCG as outlined and increase your AI. Keep running the PCT chems to continue to fight gyno.

[boxer08]

Ok, run the hCG as outlined and increase your AI. Keep running the PCT chems to continue to fight gyno.

At what dosages

[Sworder]

Week 3? So 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid.

[boxer08]

Week 3? So 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid.

Started week 3 today but still no testicle size and gyno seems to be getting worse. Should i add hcg and if so at what doses this stage of pct

[Sworder]

Ok, run the hCG as outlined and increase your AI. Keep running the PCT chems to continue to fight gyno.

The reason to use hCG is to keep the testes responsive to LH from the pituitary.

For you to resume testosterone production post cycle your brain(hypothalamus) needs to:
1. detect there is no exogenous androgens/excessive hormones.
2. signal to the pituitary to produce LH/FSH
3. LH needs to stimulate the production of testosterone in the testes.

Seems pretty simple but the thing is they "fall asleep" they atrophy when they are not in use. So hCG is used to keep the testes responsive during the cycle so that it can quickly produce testosterone. If you do not use hCG during the cycle your testes may be rather unresponsive to the LH and take a while to start testosterone production again.

So at that point you have two choices. Continue your PCT and wait for the testes to respond. OR attempt to speed up the testes' recovery by blasting hCG.

The problem with this is that you are going to "back track". Since hCG is like LH it will interfere with point number 1. The hypothalamus will signal the pituitary to stop producing LH. And then we are starting back from the beginning, this time with responsive testes. HCG clears from your system relatively quickly so this may not be very disadvantageous. If you sense that your testes are very atrophied you can use the following protocol:

2500IU hCG E3D for 15 days.
Then follow up with your PCT.

Also, it is good to include an AI to keep estrogen low. Having a high estrogen will also disrupt point 1. An AI for PCT is actually very good, I will have to write a more detailed post about that at another time.

So Boxer, for you. Continue your PCT(as you are fighting the gyno as well right?) have the adex @ 0.25mg EOD discontinue if your e2 is getting too low.

Blast the hCG if you feel that is needed. The further you are waiting for hCG, the sooner your testes will automatically come back. So at this point you may not need to blast the hCG as it has taken a while already. I don't know the volume of your testes, so you should be the best judge if the hCG blast is necessary.

Week 3? So 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid.

This^

[boxer08]

This^

So every 3rd day use 2500iu and increase adex. Theres only 14 days left of my pct

[Sworder]

Yes sir! Extend PCT until you feel that you are recovered and that the gyno is gone.

Please keep us updated. Get on the hCG ASAP as it is hurting your recovery.

[boxer08]

Just a quick update and few questions....ive been to see my GP and as im in the uk she won't do bloods for my estrogen or fsh but she put down on the form testosterone level lh, would these tests be able to give me a idea of whats happening as i still int recovering. My 15'000iu of hcg has also arrived

[Sworder]

Yes, LH/test is better than nothing! Start running the hCG . How is the gyno reversal going?

Edit: Do the labs after the hCG and PCT.

[Sworder]

Update please

[BBTrevor]

That sounds good for your gyno and testing basis with your testosterone tests, hope you got your hcg but im guessing from above with what you were taking everything should be good by now and you are feeling better, hate being sick after a cycle or getting sick during one, that happend to me in the middle of the year on one of my cycles and I also had troubles with balls responding everything was depleted for awhile and could not figure out what was up, anyway hope this experience has not deterd you from starting your next cycle on time!

[boxer08]

I had my blood test results back today with were taken at the beginning of my third week of pct . They measured my free test which was 22 which they said is normal but the lh levels are raised could this be because of the pct i have to repeat the test mid december. I'm still getting problems getting a erection and my sex drive is still low and the testicles have only slightly increased in size but are firmer as they did feel soft. I also had blood glucose, liver enzymes and cholesterol and were all good. Any thing else that i could do here guys

[Sworder]

Please post your LH/FSH including ranges. Same with testosterone . How much hCG are you doing at the moment?

[boxer08]

Please post your LH/FSH including ranges. Same with testosterone. How much hCG are you doing at the moment?

They only measured my LH and wouldnt tell me the range just that it was slightly elevated and they would not do bloods for the fsh as the doctor thinks its not needed only women have it tesed. My testosterone was 22.4 and she said the scale ranged from 7 - 35 so mine was around mid point

[boxer08]

Im not using the hcg anymore, stopped it a week ago. I used 1000iu's eod for 14 days

[Sworder]

What is your total testosterone ? Post the lab results including ranges please. How is the gyno coming along?

[boxer08]

What is your total testosterone? Post the lab results including ranges please. How is the gyno coming along?

She would not do the total test only the free test and the range on the free test was 22 on a scale on 7 - 35...the only way to get the other tests run is pay private and the quotes are around 250 pound which i cant afford

[boxer08]

The aint no lumps under the nipples or they aint itchy or causing any pain but there is still what feels like a build up of fatty tissue which is causing them to look a little puffy

[Sworder]

Sounds like your gyno is improving. I can't really tell you much about your lab results based on that. That's great that your LH is elevated. I still think you should have followed the hCG protocol I set up for you. You might have needed some more but it's hard to tell since you just have your free test results.

[boxer08]

Sounds like your gyno is improving. I can't really tell you much about your lab results based on that. That's great that your LH is elevated. I still think you should have followed the hCG protocol I set up for you. You might have needed some more but it's hard to tell since you just have your free test results.

Ill work on getting the doctor to run more tests more mid december, maybe she will if i keep on at her and fill her with all the info i know from here if not ill just pay. Which ones would be the best to pay for to get the best idea of whats going on

[ReverendNewman]

Not for nothing dude, but sounds like ur health care sucks over there. But I guess it's coming here to America soon. My Dr. does what I tell him to do. And doesn't hold anything back. Whadda ya mean "she wouldn't tell u." F that noise!!!! But good luck bro, keep us posted.

[Sworder]

Total testosterone is the most important!

[boxer08]

Another update guys...got the doctor to write me out bloods for total test, free test, lh and fsh. When is the best time to have these done and will the zma and l-arginine affect the results. Also is it okay to start using creatine at this point of time? From what i could make out on the previous lh blood result it was 9 but according to the doctor its a bad thing if its high....is this correct or would it of been raised because of the tamoxifen

[boxer08]

Should i do another pct or wait till the test results are back to see whats happening

[boxer08]

Bump!

[boxer08]

Just a update, bloods be getting done tomorrow so ill have them by friday. Will the Zma that im using make the bloods come up different?

[Granovich]

The reason to use hCG is to keep the testes responsive to LH from the pituitary.

For you to resume testosterone production post cycle your brain(hypothalamus) needs to:
1. detect there is no exogenous androgens/excessive hormones.
2. signal to the pituitary to produce LH/FSH
3. LH needs to stimulate the production of testosterone in the testes.

Seems pretty simple but the thing is they "fall asleep" they atrophy when they are not in use. So hCG is used to keep the testes responsive during the cycle so that it can quickly produce testosterone. If you do not use hCG during the cycle your testes may be rather unresponsive to the LH and take a while to start testosterone production again.

So at that point you have two choices. Continue your PCT and wait for the testes to respond. OR attempt to speed up the testes' recovery by blasting hCG.

The problem with this is that you are going to "back track". Since hCG is like LH it will interfere with point number 1. The hypothalamus will signal the pituitary to stop producing LH. And then we are starting back from the beginning, this time with responsive testes. HCG clears from your system relatively quickly so this may not be very disadvantageous. If you sense that your testes are very atrophied you can use the following protocol:

2500IU hCG E3D for 15 days.
Then follow up with your PCT.

Also, it is good to include an AI to keep estrogen low. Having a high estrogen will also disrupt point 1. An AI for PCT is actually very good, I will have to write a more detailed post about that at another time.

So Boxer, for you. Continue your PCT(as you are fighting the gyno as well right?) have the adex @ 0.25mg EOD discontinue if your e2 is getting too low.

Blast the hCG if you feel that is needed. The further you are waiting for hCG, the sooner your testes will automatically come back. So at this point you may not need to blast the hCG as it has taken a while already. I don't know the volume of your testes, so you should be the best judge if the hCG blast is necessary.

soo he should be doing 5 shots on HCG @ 2500 iu each ?
will that be enough ?