Done PCT. What happens now?

**Marc_83** · 02-14-2013, 08:44 AM

I would appreciate some feedback from peers on the subject matter.

I'm happy to say that tonight will be my last time i'm popping nolva and clomid to end my PCT.

My recovery has been 100% thanks to having an AI and HCG through cycle. Feel normal.

my cycle
500 test e a week
PCT:
40/40/20/20 nolv
100/50/50/50 clom
ZMA's and Trib.

So my question is the worst done? (even though I had no sides) what can you recommend me that I should do now?

*note: I tried to go to the doctor to get a bloodwork and asked why I needed it. I did not say because of steroids I said because I was curious to see where my testosterone levels were at but he said ''bah your obviously healthy you don't need that till your 40''

**MickeyKnox** · 02-14-2013, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Marc_83

I would appreciate some feedback from peers on the subject matter.

I'm happy to say that tonight will be my last time i'm popping nolva and clomid to end my PCT.

My recovery has been 100% thanks to having an AI and HCG through cycle. Feel normal.

my cycle
500 test e a week
PCT:
40/40/20/20 nolv
100/50/50/50 clom
ZMA's and Trib.

So my question is the worst done? (even though I had no sides) what can you recommend me that I should do now?

*note: I tried to go to the doctor to get a bloodwork and asked why I needed it. I did not say because of steroids I said because I was curious to see where my testosterone levels were at but he said ''bah your obviously healthy you don't need that till your 40''

Tell your doctor you want blood work and shouldn't have to beg for it. Tell him/her youre feeling a bit off and that you're becoming proactive in your healthcare. And then look at him and don't dont blink..kinda like Mark Zuckerberg.

But now i would increase my cals to reflect my new mucsle and continue to exercise hard for the next 4 wks or so and make sure you routines are intense but cut short (approx 40mins)

**Marc_83** · 02-14-2013, 09:05 AM

Haha thanks MickeyKnox.

You always give me solid advice.

Take care!

**MickeyKnox** · 02-14-2013, 09:20 AM

Youre welocxme Marc, good luck.

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**Granovich** · 02-16-2013, 07:52 PM

blood work in a month time , hopefully you have baseline levels so you can compare. if same levels achieved then you are recovered and you can cycle again. i would give it a month
Testosterone cycles only dont take more than month after PCT to fully recover ( usually) .

**s.e.bowen** · 02-17-2013, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Granovich

blood work in a month time , hopefully you have baseline levels so you can compare. if same levels achieved then you are recovered and you can cycle again. i would give it a month
Testosterone cycles only dont take more than month after PCT to fully recover ( usually) .

Really?
It's been suggested to me and many others, I've seen ask, that the appropriate time is:
Time on + pct= time off.
Is it a personal matter?

s.e.bowen

**MickeyKnox** · 02-17-2013, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by s.e.bowen

Really?
It's been suggested to me and many others, I've seen ask, that the appropriate time is:
Time on + pct= time off.
Is it a personal matter?

s.e.bowen

I think he was referring to baseline T, not necessarily fully recovered ie CNS..ect.

**s.e.bowen** · 02-17-2013, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

I think he was referring to baseline T, not necessarily fully recovered ie CNS..ect.

Oh, OK gotcha.

s.e.bowen

**jondeca51** · 02-18-2013, 10:05 PM

Ok so u ran the AI AND hcg thought ur cycle? I'm about to start mine and I'm running test for 10 weeks and I don't know if I should run AI and hcg during or after.. To many contradictions!! I'm also running Winnie my last 6 weeks of my cycle what do u think I should do

**MickeyKnox** · 02-19-2013, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

Ok so u ran the AI AND hcg thought ur cycle? I'm about to start mine and I'm running test for 10 weeks and I don't know if I should run AI and hcg during or after.. To many contradictions!! I'm also running Winnie my last 6 weeks of my cycle what do u think I should do

Where are all these contradictions you speak of?? Where on this site are all these opposing opinions on when to include hCG? Sure, there some who have varying opinions but the vast majority of AAS users and those that include hCG in their cycle, use it during cycle - not PCT. And to suggest this site promotes the use of an AI during PCT is ridiculous, at best.

If you read the stickies, you'll see that this protocol is widely supported. The information below is from this site. You have a lot more reading to do before you begin your proposed cycle.

Good luck.

**Most Common Beginners Cycles**

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

Why HCG is So Important

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UIlhVWfX_ft

Why It's Important To Run An AI

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.UMPClazX_ft

Proper PCT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egOu9b_FmQE

**jondeca51** · 02-19-2013, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Where are all these contradictions you speak of?? Where on this site are all these opposing opinions on when to include hCG ? Sure, there some who have varying opinions but the vast majority of AAS users and those that include hCG in their cycle, use it during cycle - not PCT. And to suggest this site promotes the use of an AI during PCT is ridiculous, at best.

If you read the stickies, you'll see that this protocol is widely supported. The information below is from this site. You have a lot more reading to do before you begin your proposed cycle.

Good luck.

**Most Common Beginners Cycles**

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

Why HCG is So Important

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UIlhVWfX_ft

Why It's Important To Run An AI

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.UMPClazX_ft

Proper PCT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egOu9b_FmQE

Hey thank u. Those forms were great!!! So then u answer all my questions. The only reason I said "contraindications" was some articles and some people say u can do hcg during pct while others say do hcg during cycle.. I will be doing it during my cycle along
Test prop 1-10weeks
Winny 50mg Ed 4-10
Hcg 250 iu 1-10weeks
AI .25 EOD after test shot

Pct
Clomid 75/75/50/50....I can't find nolva around here can clomid be enough??? Or it's a must I take both?

**MickeyKnox** · 02-19-2013, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

Hey thank u. Those forms were great!!! So then u answer all my questions. The only reason I said "contraindications" was some articles and some people say u can do hcg during pct while others say do hcg during cycle.. I will be doing it during my cycle along
Test prop 1-10weeks
Winny 50mg Ed 4-10
Hcg 250 iu 1-10weeks
AI .25 EOD after test shot

Pct
Clomid 75/75/50/50....I can't find nolva around here can clomid be enough??? Or it's a must I take both?

I recommend that you use both.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.USPmG_IUX0E

**jondeca51** · 02-19-2013, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

I recommend that you use both.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.USPmG_IUX0E

Ok thanks but overall my cycle looks legit? Any fine tuning?

**MickeyKnox** · 02-19-2013, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

Ok thanks but overall my cycle looks legit? Any fine tuning?

Looks fine to me. PCT 14 days after last pin and you're rockin' and rollin' bro.

**Granovich** · 02-19-2013, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

I think he was referring to baseline T, not necessarily fully recovered ie CNS..ect.

time on + time off isnt really based on a scientific evidence... i know many guys who take 2-4 weeks after pct and cycle again ( not that cycle included nandrones ) but only Test prop and total test and free test, LH, FSH, SHBG. all went back to baseline in 2 weeks after pct . so it was a recovery... that ON+ pct= off isnt really that VALID.... the idea is to give your body as long as possible to recover... but again anavar only cycle for 8 weeks wont take as much as 8 weeks of tren ( even if shutdown happen in both ) recovery wont take as long

**MickeyKnox** · 02-19-2013, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Granovich

time on + time off isnt really based on a scientific evidence... i know many guys who take 2-4 weeks after pct and cycle again ( not that cycle included nandrones ) but only Test prop and total test and free test, LH, FSH, SHBG. all went back to baseline in 2 weeks after pct . so it was a recovery... that ON+ pct= off isnt really that VALID.... the idea is to give your body as long as possible to recover... but again anavar only cycle for 8 weeks wont take as much as 8 weeks of tren ( even if shutdown happen in both ) recovery wont take as long

You may be right. But myself, and others here, like to error on the side of caution - particularly when it comes to handing out advice that will adversely effect the endocrine system and the CNS. Time on Time off sounds prudent and responsible to me based upon bloodwork and 1000's of others exercising this protocol and reporting favorable results.

*Not to say that your way is irresponsible, but that i simply choose this to be the best course of action.