First real pct torem + clomid and BW

**dr. triceps** · 04-14-2013, 04:13 PM

Hey guys,
Swifto recommended doing hcg at 500 iu/day for 14 days wi 10mg nolva/day if you didn't use it on cycle.

I just finished my hcg blast for 12 days after my last injection of test @ 500iu/day (total 6,000 ius). I also used nolva @ 10 mg ed. My balls are definitely more plump.

Doing a hcg blast for 12 days won't desensitize/damage my leydig cells correct?? That's my biggest fear.

I'll be starting torem and clomid either tuesday or wednesday for 5-6 weeks:

Torem: Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 7 days) for 6 weeks

clomid: 100/50/50/25

How does this PCT look?

I will post labs for after my hcg blast tomorrow and will post labs once again when I finish my pct.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-14-2013, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by dr. triceps

Hey guys,
Swifto recommended doing hcg at 500 iu/day for 14 days wi 10mg nolva/day if you didn't use it on cycle.

I just finished my hcg blast for 12 days after my last injection of test @ 500iu/day (total 6,000 ius). I also used nolva @ 10 mg ed. My balls are definitely more plump.

Doing a hcg blast for 12 days won't desensitize/damage my leydig cells correct?? That's my biggest fear.

I'll be starting torem and clomid either tuesday or wednesday for 5-6 weeks:

Torem: Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 7 days) for 6 weeks

clomid: 100/50/50/25

How does this PCT look?

I will post labs for after my hcg blast tomorrow and will post labs once again when I finish my pct.

I am VERY anxious to see these.

Do you have baseline bloodwork as well, to compare? That would be stellar if you did!

**dr. triceps** · 04-14-2013, 05:31 PM

No baseline BW I have some BW on cycle but that wont help in this case. I think the BW will turn out good. I'm happy to see it as well. I got labs on friday exactly 10 days after starting the hcg blast. I decided to use the hcg for an additional 2 days at 500 iu (not the 14 that swifto said but close enough).

I can give you an estimate of numbers precycle as i have used prohormones in the past. What do you think about the pct?

**dr. triceps** · 04-14-2013, 05:33 PM

Now that the ester has cleared my system, how do you think the numbers will look? (with the 10 day hcg blast)

**MickeyKnox** · 04-14-2013, 05:46 PM

Im unable to comment on your PCT because it's difficult to predict what your hormones are doing right now with that hCG blast you did, along with Nolva.

PCT for me was Clomid and Nolva with hCG on cycle. Some of the information on this site is a bit outdated when compared to updated and widely accepted protocols in the BBing community. Not saying that Swiftos PCT recommendations will not work, im simply suggesting an alternative way to conduct PCT and prevent Testicular Atrophy on cycle. I would rather prevent something, than treat it later.

**dr. triceps** · 04-14-2013, 05:52 PM

I completely agree. I actually had hcg to start my cycle and was using it at 500 iu/week split in 2 doses (sunday and wednesday), but for some reason, I left it out in my room at room temp instead of storing it in a fridge. I knew it had to be stored in a fridge too! So I dropped the hcg around week 3. I don't plan on running another cycle until I improve my knowledge about aas.

I also read new information from a HRT specialist on another board about a more effective way to blast hcg. He used to support the 10 day blast but with new research, he changed his opinion on it. I'll try to dig out the info to show you.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-14-2013, 05:55 PM

Thanks, I would appreciate it taking a look at it when you get around to it.

**dr. triceps** · 04-15-2013, 07:05 PM

Ok so these are the BW results the day after my 10 day hcg blast @500 iu/day. I was shooting for total test to be around 600-700.

Total Test: 701 (348-1197)
Free test: 16 (9.3-26.5)
cortisol: 23 (8am: 8-19) high
prolactin: pending
LH: <.2 (1.7-8.6)
FSH: .2 (1.5-12.4)
estradiol: 28.3 (7.6-42.6)
shbg: 25 (16.5-55.9)

I got these labs done on friday, knowing I wouldn't get the results today. In addition I also did 2 more injections of hcg (500 iu) on friday and saturday. So that is a total of 12 day hcg blast. I haven't injected any hcg since saturday morning. It is now Monday and I have started my pct of clomid and torem. I took Torem @ 120mg and Clomid (pills) @ 100mg.

**dr. triceps** · 04-15-2013, 07:07 PM

I forgot to add my last pin was the day before I started hcg @ 100-120 mg of test-e. Let me know what you guys think. I could use some pct advice.

I am using torem, clomid, and hcgenerate.

**Brohim** · 04-15-2013, 07:09 PM

Break the Clomid 100mg taken as 50mg every 12 hours. I would do 100mg the first week then taper down to 50mg total 25mg every 12 hours.

**dr. triceps** · 04-15-2013, 07:13 PM

Cool will do Brohim. This is my first time using clomid pills. I usually use the liquid clomid. I am also excited to give the torem a go because I've heard a lot of great things about it. What are your thoughts on the labs?

**MickeyKnox** · 04-15-2013, 07:13 PM

Wow, that looks good.

Your sex hormones are tanked because of your exogenous test. And your cortisol is high however that can be managed with Vitamin C, eliminating caffeine, ..ect. But the rest looks good to me. Your test is up there yet you still have room to increase. However, your Estrogen is bang on. Was that a sensitive assay?

**dr. triceps** · 04-15-2013, 07:20 PM

Yes, it was a sensitive assay. Although I would say I am pretty sensitive to ai's. I hardly used any during my hcg blast. I think 6.25 mg of aromasin one day, 10 mg half way through, and on saturday I used 6.25 mg again. My libido has decreased from saturday probably because the hcg is leaving my system and the test ester is gone as well. Im taking 1000 mg/day of vitamin C. Should that be enough?

How many weeks should I run the torem and clomid. I was thinking 6 for torem and 4 for clomid.
Torem: 120, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60
clomid: 100, 50, 50, 25
Hcgenerate: 5 caps/ day ( a lot of people say this does wonders for your libido)

I also plan on getting bloods done again a few weeks post pct.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-15-2013, 07:30 PM

Increase your Vit C to 3k/day. Vit D 3-5k/day. Torem/Clomid look fine.

Next bloods wait 4wks post PCT min.

**dr. triceps** · 04-15-2013, 07:36 PM

Will do I am taking 2000 iu of vitamin d daily have been for a year now. So i'll up that and the Vit C. I'm going ot be hitting the gym like an animal. I would put up before and after pics from the cycle which are actually pretty dramatic but I need to figure out how to crop the face.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-15-2013, 07:57 PM

Open your photo in MSPaint and crop your face or "paint" it out.

**dr. triceps** · 04-16-2013, 04:52 PM

Alright I will download it on my pc. My LH and FSH are crap right now. Do you know how long it can take for them to turn on? Also is there any indication from my blood work that my natty test will return for sure? Im relatively new to reading the BW.

My libido is shit right now. I hope I can get that back soon.

**jrod04** · 04-16-2013, 08:09 PM

hm your test is high for the amount of LH and FSH your producing id say. did you say you got your blood work done one day after your last shot of hcg ?? if so those numbers would not be accurate as the influence of the hcg and nolva would still be in your body. You should up your vitamin d intake to 5000iu a day, there is lots of good info out there suggesting that is a safe and effective dose to take all the time. As for your recovery i would say finish off the pct as you have planned out, maybe pick up some cialis for libido and get blood work done again after it is complete, wait a week atleast to let everything clear and your body balance out for true readings. with prior prohormone use and no blood work it is possible that you could have a slow recovery, so let it play out and dont worry too much about it for now.