Help me out here

[Adam_david]

If I run a cycle approx 15 weeks of test cypionate at 250 twice a week do I really need HCG ? And do I need clomid or nolva or both. This is my first and need advice

[Bio-Active]

Yes yes and yes. You will need to research the use of an AI as well for on cycle

[Adam_david]

So I need HCG what else do I need? Do I need clomid or nolva?

[Bio-Active]

So I need HCG what else do I need? Do I need clomid or nolva?

You would need all of it. You are going to need to do some research, lay out your stats and proposed cycle including the use of an AI, hcg and pct for me to help you

[Adam_david]

I'm 33 190 lbs 15% body fat. Been lifting 5 years. I planned on using 250 of test cyp mon am and 250 thur pm. I read to use HCG thru out cycle up until the last two weeks and start pct 2 weeks after my last injection of test cyp because its a long ester. Am I anywhere close? Correct me where I'm wrong please Some said wait til the end of cycle to use HCG but others said use it thru out to avoid complications with the LH hormone production Long term.

[Adam_david]

I also read use 250 ui of HCG twice a week

[Bio-Active]

Right you want to run hcg during your cycle as it mimics lh production signaling the testies to fire. I suggest running from the beginning of your cycle right up to 3 days prior to starting pct. you need to run an AI on cycle to keep estrogen at bay as well

[Bio-Active]

200-250 iu 2 x EW on the hcg is enough to maintain testicular function during the administration of exogenous testosterone

[Adam_david]

Ok so would 2 5000 UI vials of HCG be enough for the cycle? How do I run the clomid and nolva? Was I correct about starting pct 2 weeks after my last injection of test cyp? And is there ANYTHING else at all that I need to know ? I want to do it right

[Bio-Active]

Ok so would 2 5000 UI vials of HCG be enough for the cycle? How do I run the clomid and nolva? Was I correct about starting pct 2 weeks after my last injection of test cyp? And is there ANYTHING else at all that I need to know ? I want to do it right

You just need to do the math. If you are running a ten week cycle you will need 500x12 to get you through to pct. yes pct starts 2 weeks from last pin of test. Pct is nolvadex and Clomid ran daily for about 4 weeks. Look at the pct stickys and post up your proposed pct for review. It's better this way if you do the leg work so you understand these things better

[Bio-Active]

List your cycle and pct similar to this

Test 500 EW split 2 pins 3.5 days apart 10 weeks

Hcg 250 iu 2 x EW weeks 1-12
AI your proposed dose?
Pct 14 days from test pin
Clomid dose 4 weeks
Nolvadex dose 4 weeks
Thus will be easier to read

[Adam_david]

Thanks bro. I'm ordering ASAP. Would have already ordered but I was afraid I may get screw over I've found nothing but good reviews on this guy. I hate that I can't know for sure that he's straight before I order. Just don't have the cheese to just throw away ya feel me? But by waiting I found out I had to have the HCG at the same time. I plan on running some Clen along with pct. good idea or bad?

[Bio-Active]

I wouldn't bother with the Clen . Save that for later and focus on your nutrition brother

[Adam_david]

One last thing. I know we r not allowed to source check and I assume its to keep the sources safe but is there a place and/or time where we can its S*** to have to trust an unknown person with that much $$$ again I'm new to all this so if I'm asking a dumb question please forgive me

[Bio-Active]

What you have to understand is this is not a source board bro

[Adam_david]

Ok so what is a source board? Again not wanting to break rules. Just learn the ropes

[Adam_david]

Ok so in the pct stickies a post from steroids .com says dont use clomid use only nolva and to use arimidex to stop conversion to estrogen. I haven't a clue where to get that

[Adam_david]

But I can get letro. Will that work instead?

[crazy mike]

STOP.....Adam you are not listening. It is obvious that you are not ready. You don't know what or how to do this with all the Q's you ask. You need to get educated on what ALL you are embarking on. ....crazy mike

[crazy mike]

SLOW THE FVCK DOWN ADAM. Just stop and start listening .....crazy mike

[crazy mike]

Adam are you there.? ...crazy mike

[Bio-Active]

Ok so in the pct stickies a post from steroids.com says dont use clomid use only nolva and to use arimidex to stop conversion to estrogen. I haven't a clue where to get that

Sorry bro that must not be up to date. Arimidex and aromasin are ai's for on cycle to lower circulating estrogen. Serms are used for pct because they compete for the receptor in your mammary gland fighting off gyno but do not lower circulating estrogen while promoting lh function for faster recovery. They both have there place but you want to use an AI on cycle to keep circulating estrogen down and the serm(Clomid or nolvadex ) for pct. on cycle either arimidex at .25 eod or aromasin at 12.5 Ed should work but depending on how sensitive you are you may need to adjust the dose. For pct a good starting point is nvadex 40/40/20/20 Clomid 100/50/50/50. If the sides are to much from the Clomid you can lower the dose during week 1. Make sense?

[Bio-Active]

But I can get letro. Will that work instead?

Letro is for a more advanced user IMHO or to fight of gyno. It is very strong and can cripple your estrogen. You don't want that either cause your body needs a natural balance of testosterone and estrogen

[crazy mike]

If you cripple your Estrogen you will want to kill yourself. You can and will get it back but until you do Get out of town. ..crazy mike

[Adam_david]

Yeah I'm here. I was reading other posts. I think I got a feel for it all now. Except I'm screwed bc I can find arimidex or aromasin That's the last piece I'm needing to the puzzle.

[Bio-Active]

Yeah I'm here. I was reading other posts. I think I got a feel for it all now. Except I'm screwed bc I can find arimidex or aromasin That's the last piece I'm needing to the puzzle.

Top right banner ar-r

[crazy mike]

Yeah I'm here. I was reading other posts. I think I got a feel for it all now. Except I'm screwed bc I can find arimidex or aromasin That's the last piece I'm needing to the puzzle.

Adam you can get Arimidex from our sponsor Ar-r . Listen it seems you got a quick course in all this and that's not good. This is not really a joke, everything we speak of. You should if you don't have a very goo and clear understanding of everything, Do you know about your Estrogen and level of that. Do you know that you are not taking and Arimidex just to fight Gyno, etc...? Are you clear on all these things like what PCT does? ...crazy mike

[Adam_david]

That's where I'm finding the letro but I do not see arimidex ....

[crazy mike]

Look for Liquidex. ...crazy mike

[Bio-Active]

Liquid stane or liquidex is what you are looking for

[Adam_david]

I do need to know more and u guys have taught me ALOT already. Thank u. I do understand how each of these compounds function. I'm jotting to nail each one of them down bc I need all in hand before I start the cycle

[crazy mike]

This guy is off the chain I'm out of here. I'm trying to communicate with him and he just runs off. I'm done you guys can spoon feed him and wait on him. ...crazy mike

[Adam_david]

Ok so i use stane every day on cycle. How much do I need to use?

[Adam_david]

Hey. I'm not running off. I'm using an iPhone app and it doesn't tell me when u reply. I'm sorry

[Bio-Active]

Ok so i use stane every day on cycle. How much do I need to use?

Bro I have already listed this out for you if you just take the time to read the posts. Please make sure you have done your research though you say you have learned a lot I am not convinced that you are ready to cycle. You can cause some real damage if you don't do this correctly. Do your research and as I told you earlier list out your proposed cycle, hcg , AI usage and pct

[Adam_david]

I just wasn't sure if the stane was dose differently than than the arimidex

[crazy mike]

Bro I gave already listed this out for you if you just take the time to read the posts

AsI said slow the fvck down. Read listen , get educated. Again you come back and ask how much do I use. You don't know what you are doing and you want us to wait on you as you look for this shit and spoon feed your questions. READ UP ...GET EDUCATED....FIND OUT HOW MUCH. ..crazy mike ...done

[Adam_david]

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[crazy mike]

So approximately how much u say this whole cycle AAS, HCG, AI, PCT is going to cost me

$2,800.00 - $4,800.00 ...........cm

[Adam_david]

The only reason I don't respond immediately is bc the app isn't showing me u responded