Test Prop then HCG now NO GAINS!!! Please help

[rotatrim]

Hi Forum

I trust that everyone here are seasoned professionals and I need your wise counsel.
I had my first ever cycle of test prop 100mg at 1ml every 2/3 days and it worked really well.
It took me from 82kg to a max of 94kg in just 2 to 3 months.
I then took a pct of HCG after about a week after my last pin.

I waited about 3 weeks, dropped weight to about 86kg and then started a test prop cycle again.
To my surprise I blew up to 90kg in 3 days but then all of a sudden I deflated. Pinned again with the same effect.
I was advised that my dosage was too low so I pinned EOD (350 to 400mg/week) but the same problem exists after 2 weeks.

I am thinking of coming off cycle for a while and starting again in about 3 weeks, alternatively going on a test combo 350 cycle.

Please help me out of this inflating deflating scenario.

[Back In Black]

Wow, oh wow.

Hcg isn't a PCT, it should be run on cycle. You should have ran 4 weeks of Clomid and nolvadex after your cycle and then waited a long time before jumping back on - time on + PCT = time off.

In effect you have been on cycle, or at least shut down, for an extended period of time.

I'm assuming you haven't/aren't running an ai either?

Get yourself some nolva and Clomid immediately and run it

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

[rotatrim]

Any idea why the test prop is not effecting me at all?

[AR's King Silabolin]

Any idea why the test prop is not effecting me at all?

Yes. Your ARs are fried. You cant just do same compound and almost the same dosage and expect to grow by the week for eternity.
This is one of the reasons you need to have a break, not 3 weeks, but 3 months, to refresh your ARs. If you wanna grow at all cost you should add another steroid type, like a 19nor or a DHTbased.

But best is to rest 3 months and do a proper pct as BIB suggested. Then you will grow again but next time maybe you need to do two compounds to grow like the first time.

[rotatrim]

You guys are truly pros at this.
Please explain 75/50/50/50 and 40/20/20/20?

Will this restore my AR's

[Back In Black]

You guys are truly pros at this.
Please explain 75/50/50/50 and 40/20/20/20?

Will this restore my AR's

For Clomid that's 75mg per day for the first week. 2nd week 50mg per day etc.

When did you start pinning prop first time around?

[rotatrim]

I started first time on 28 May this year.
Ran 200mg per week of a 10ml bottle X3

My 3rd bottle finished end of August.

27 September took HCG one shot.
I then started test prop again 19 October

[rotatrim]

Ovigil 5000IU was the name of the HCG

[Back In Black]

Get your nolva and Clomid immediately and star them, as directed, 3 days after your last test shot.

In fact, extend your nolva by 2 weeks 20/20. You'll been shut down 6 weeks, just p ray you get somewhere close to pre cycle levels.

[Senerr99]

In this pct period you will shut down 4 weeks . thats 100%? No sexdrive no mood etc? If i dont want to use nolva just clomid, can i make the same pct without damage?.because works similarly.Any medical which help something plus or just vitamins? Last time my test levels was okay but my free testo was low?how can i solve it? Thank you !

[Jaydenn]

Listen to Back In Black.

[rotatrim]

I am pleased to say that I am getting results finally from my injections. I am 4 weeks away from my pct which I will take as directed above.
Thank you to you all.

[GAINZ4DAYZ]

Most of your questions have already been answered, but if you would like to read up on the why here is some awesome threads (but no limited to) you should of read prior to the cycle:



My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

Estrogen, Prolactin, Progesterone Management + Gynecomastia Prevention & Reversal

The Science of Stacking Steroids

Why is it important to run an AI when on cycle?

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

All you need to know about GYNO.

Hope this helps mate!

[rotatrim]

Thank you so much. This is useful

[rotatrim]

I am just coming off my last week of PCT as prescribed above and I am quite pleased with the results. No loss of gains after cycle, increased strength. Thank you everyone for your contribution.

[AR's King Silabolin]

I am just coming off my last week of PCT as prescribed above and I am quite pleased with the results. No loss of gains after cycle, increased strength. Thank you everyone for your contribution.

wait with your celebration.

pct is just an extension of your cycle. Meaning, the pctdrugs are like gear, they give you the wrong picture.

Now, when ur all on your own, i would be surprised if u managed to keep anything from your gearcycle.

My gratulations if u proove im wrong.