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    Use HCG post cycle or drop it? (too late for in-cycle use)

    Hi guys,

    May this year, I started my first cycle ever, with Test E.

    A quick background, maybe it's not related, but I just feel like telling my short journey with steroids . In April I have discovered I have extremely low T (for my age, I'm 22, and it was a little below scale), and high prolactine levels. I got cabaser from my friend who is a long time steroid user. Cabaser really did the trick, and after a month, my T levels were normal, I experienced a large increase in libido and just felt better. I thought why not more, why not inject some T and see what will happen.

    I did doses of 300mg per week. All was great, until estrogen levels ran really high, 3x-4x the max. I didn't have AI, my friend said I would need it for PCT, that the estrogen raise is low with such low T dosages. Maybe it was for him. Even after I decreased the dosage to 200mg and took some examestene, E levels were running wild. I just thought it was not worth it, continued with 200mg per week dosage, with some more AI to reduce E levels and I did my last injection 2 weeks ago.

    So far I'm feeling great, my libido is higher than most of the time on cycle, and I feel like estrogen levels are more normal.


    Ok, now to the point of the thread. Sorry if it was spam, maybe it will be useful for others who want to start, to always do their own research. Friends want the best for you, but they might not have proper knowledge.

    My friend recommended me, that for the PCT, I would run 500iu of HCG , every 3 days, for a month, along with Nolvadex , 20mg per day. He got this info from some local (to our country) sources on steroids. I did some research and couldn't find it anything like that anywhere, it seems like BS compared to most of the articles I have read (on the English-spoken side of net).

    Had I done the research sooner, I would start HCG when I was still on and then continue with Nolvadex for PCT.

    But it's too late, and my actual question is. Do you think I should hit 10 days straight 500iu HCG (with small doses of Nolvadex and some Aromasin ), then take larger doses of Nolvadex for a month - as the steroid.com article about HCG suggest? Or should I just throw out HCG, and take only Nolvadex? steroid.com site tells to the former, while the forums suggest the latter.

    By the way, is it fine to run cabaser with all this substances, or are there any precautions? I have to run it, otherwise prolactine will suppress natural T even more.

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    (1) Stop listening to your friend, he has given you bad advice and incorrect information on literally everything
    - Caber is a very strong drug and shouldn't be taken willy nilly because a friend told you to do so
    - PCT is Nolva+Clomid. HCG is never on PCT and would cause even more problems
    - Aromasin is on cycle not PCT

    Read the PCT sticky, get clomid, do your PCT and do not touch steroids again. Read all the educational threads so you understand what you were even putting in your body. Dump the friend, if you keep listening to him he will ruin your health for the rest of your life. In 2-3 years if you are still living this lifestyle then you can re-evaluate steroids again.

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    Yes, the whole cycle was a total screw up and I got nothing positive out of it. I just hope that everything will be fine just as before the cycle in a few months.

    If I can't get Clomid soon enough, should I just start Nolvadex alone at 40mg per day and then add Clomid when I get it (1 - 2 weeks)? It's been a little over 2 weeks since my last injection and I feel it's damn time to start.

    Also I'm a little confused since the "Unofficial PCT" thread at the very top mentions AI. And pretty freaking high dosing as well (25mg Aromasin ED). https://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-...ct-thread.html

    Actually about Caber I did extensive research before taking it. Research shows that nothing bad happens if you take small dosages and I also did heart tests and everything is fine. If I went to the doctor, it would be the only thing he could prescribe me for the condition. Running with high level of prolactine is not fun, I see how it screwed up my life for the last 2 years, as I had depression and anxiety. Not to mention very low libido. I tried to get a little break from Caber, 3 weeks, but prolactin levels started to rise again above threshold. However when I started to take it again, I didn't need as much dosage to drop it to the minimum, so there is some progress. I think it's very important now that I keep it low, so the T production will not be supressed even further. I will have to eventually go to the doctor to see if there is a cause.

    Thanks!
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    What research studies or medical documentation did you read that showed continuous caber use at low doses was fine?

    AI (Aromasin / Arimidex ) is only for on cycle not for PCT. Same as HCG .

    If you are 2 weeks since last injection then yes you should start PCT now.


    What were your prolactin results on your last bloodwork and what else did you have tested at the same time?

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    So if I have only Nolvadex at my current disposal, just start with Nolvadex? And then after 2 weeks add Clomid?


    The only side of caber I'm aware of is heart diseases, which happened often in parkinson treatment with high dosage (2mg per day).

    This one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5240058/ and just found this also: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7900937

    The conclusion got me, that 300mg cumulative dose over an extended period of time is considered safe for heart. I have 20mg package and I estimated it will last for like 7 months of continuous use, so I guess I will be fine. Of course, nobody ran the tests for like 20 years of use. I hope I will get this sorted out eventually. For now I just plan to keep taking it - at a minimum, just to keep prolactine in check. I will do heart work again (not sure how you call it) in a few months to make sure everything is ok. Do you think there are other things I should worry about taking Caber?


    The first time I did the blood work, the min value was 8u, max 19u. I had 31u at the time. Testosterone was min. 3u,max: 8u, I had 2.5u. (u stands for some unit). Only Estrogen was within the norms.

    A month after Cabergoline treatmeant, the results were much much better. Different units. Prolactin: min. 86mlU/l, max: 324mlU/l, mine was 84mlU/l Test: min. 249ng/dl, max: 836ng/dl, mine was 434ng/dl. Caber almost doubled my natural testosterone levels . To think that I fuc***d up by jumping on a cycle, I could have get even more natural test with time.

    The last time I checked, prolactine was just above the minimum threshold. But if I were to stop taking Caber, it would rise above the threshold. When I stopped taking Caber for 2 - 3 weeks, I had 395mlU/l prolactin - and I bet it would grow even more with time.

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    HCG is also suppressive so running it during a PCT kind of defeats the purpose of PCT.

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