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    Using orals after last 2 weeks while esters clear with HCG

    Would it be alright to use something like var; tbol or winny the last 2 weeks while you are blasting with HCG waiting for the test esters to clear; or should you just come off of everything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5millionbucks View Post
    Would it be alright to use something like var; tbol or winny the last 2 weeks while you are blasting with HCG waiting for the test esters to clear; or should you just come off of everything?
    No. Test recovery is not the only reason for the 12 week limit. U have stressed the organs and ARreceptors enough so the standard pct with or without hcg is what u need.
    I like to add mk677 in the recovery process. Look into it. I strongly recommend it. Rec chem uk offer real deal products. Lot of fake mk out there.
    MK677 do not tax ARs or organs.

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    Winstrol is the best option if your going to do that . its going to block Cortisol, which is likely elevated if you been training hard and blasting gear for 12 weeks . it will clear in a couple days and you can go right into pct when done

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    Quote Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin View Post
    No. Test recovery is not the only reason for the 12 week limit. U have stressed the organs and ARreceptors enough so the standard pct with or without hcg is what u need.
    I like to add mk677 in the recovery process. Look into it. I strongly recommend it. Rec chem uk offer real deal products. Lot of fake mk out there.
    MK677 do not tax ARs or organs.

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    I did this with my last cycle continuously using anadrol and slowly tapering off with test prop and then blasted HCG, seem'd to have work. But I was also running HCG during the entire cycle. Cause my bloods looked to be fine during PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5millionbucks View Post
    I did this with my last cycle continuously using anadrol and slowly tapering off with test prop and then blasted HCG, seem'd to have work. But I was also running HCG during the entire cycle. Cause my bloods looked to be fine during PCT.
    Bloodwork during PCT is useless and a waste of money. 6-8 weeks AFTER PCT is when bloodwork needs to be taken.

    This is really basic information. During PCT both the PCT drugs and residual hormones from cycle artificially inflate lab results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Bloodwork during PCT is useless and a waste of money. 6-8 weeks AFTER PCT is when bloodwork needs to be taken.

    This is really basic information. During PCT both the PCT drugs and residual hormones from cycle artificially inflate lab results.
    yes I know this; but this is a clear sign that the testes and pituitary are responding to the clomid. There are many people who hop on pct who've ran heavy cycles or been on it year round and their pituitary isn't really responding to the clomid or nolva so they end up having to do more extreme protocols like Scalley's pct or running triptorelin based on the bloodwork. I've seen people for example someone running 50mg of clomid/20mg nolva after blasting and cruisng for a year or so; and within 2 weeks their ranges are still around 200-300ng/dl while someone like me would be in 700-800 range after 2 weeks. If your LH and FSH is low while running pct you most likely have induced secondary hypogonadism; if your test is low but LH and FSH has been jumpstarting you most likely have induced primary hypogonadism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5millionbucks View Post
    yes I know this; but this is a clear sign that the testes and pituitary are responding to the clomid. There are many people who hop on pct who've ran heavy cycles or been on it year round and their pituitary isn't really responding to the clomid or nolva so they end up having to do more extreme protocols like Scalley's pct or running triptorelin based on the bloodwork. I've seen people for example someone running 50mg of clomid/20mg nolva after blasting and cruisng for a year or so; and within 2 weeks their ranges are still around 200-300ng/dl while someone like me would be in 700-800 range after 2 weeks. If your LH and FSH is low while running pct you most likely have induced secondary hypogonadism; if your test is low but LH and FSH has been jumpstarting you most likely have induced primary hypogonadism.
    So if those same guys jumped off a bridge you'd follow too then?

    You don't understand how a lab uses blood serum to generate results nor understand the mechanisms of action of Clomid and Tamoxifen .

    You can try to defend your mistake but doing bloodwork during PCT is asinine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    So if those same guys jumped off a bridge you'd follow too then?

    You don't understand how a lab uses blood serum to generate results nor understand the mechanisms of action of Clomid and Tamoxifen .

    You can try to defend your mistake but doing bloodwork during PCT is asinine.
    It really isn't if the clomid isnt working for you and you do it during PCT; it obviously shows that something is up and your pituitary isnt responding well. Yes bloodwork weeks after PCt is more important because of the skewed results it shows; I agree with that. But you cannot say that bloodwork during pct is completely asinine; if you been shut down for a long time and hop on PCT; how the fuck do you even know that the drugs are even doing anything for you without bloodwork? Overall I agree get bloods done 6-8 weeks after PCT because of how long the drugs stay in your system; but getting bloods done during pct can also be quite beneficial because it shows that the drugs are actually kickstarting your system; if they aint it obviously shows that you need to do something else to kickstart your balls and pituitary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5millionbucks View Post
    It really isn't if the clomid isnt working for you and you do it during PCT; it obviously shows that something is up and your pituitary isnt responding well. Yes bloodwork weeks after PCt is more important because of the skewed results it shows; I agree with that. But you cannot say that bloodwork during pct is completely asinine; if you been shut down for a long time and hop on PCT; how the fuck do you even know that the drugs are even doing anything for you without bloodwork? Overall I agree get bloods done 6-8 weeks after PCT because of how long the drugs stay in your system; but getting bloods done during pct can also be quite beneficial because it shows that the drugs are actually kickstarting your system; if they aint it obviously shows that you need to do something else to kickstart your balls and pituitary.
    If you took 10 minutes to grasp the basic understanding of Ester half lives as well as how labs in north america run bloodwork you would realize how foolish you sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    If you took 10 minutes to grasp the basic understanding of Ester half lives as well as how labs in north america run bloodwork you would realize how foolish you sound.
    You sound very uptight and act like this aint true? Did I not say that I agree that getting bloodwork done 6-8 weeks after PCT is actually the best way to see if you fully recovered? I dont know what you are trying to debate; but getting bloodwork during PCT is also important that is all I am getting at. I am pointing out that not only seeing if your(PCT drugs are real); but also that they are doing the job in kickstarting the pituitary. And plus all the bloodwork that I do is covered by my insurance since I go to my endo every 3 months; so yes maybe for some people paying to get bloodwork done during PCT is technically a waste of money; but that is also saying that paying to get bloodwork done on cycle is a waste of money is the same logic; everyone wants to know if the drugs are doing its job or not either way. I'm not trying to debate you with whether it is important or not to get bloodwork during PCT. Lets stick to the topic and see how others chime in.

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