List of things that won't affect HTPA, Test etc.

[JuliusPleaser]

Hey guys,

Been on MK 677 from MAs and its been great pumps but nothing crazy about fat loss (and yes I know diet is 1# and I haven't been). However, strength has increased ALOT but could just be because I'm back in the gym consistently.

My other buddy sent me a link to Madison J which has a ton of stuff. I was looking at their sarms section and reading about a few that aren't actually sarms.

A few dont mess with HTPA, fertility and are't even sarms at all.

My goal right now is to lose fat and recomp. I'm in the position to do so. I'm 40lbs over weight and already, like i mentioned, in the last 3 weeks being consistent in gym my strenght has gone up.

I took an IGF1 test to see if the MK works and still waiting on results.

So what are the "sarms" i could get that will aid me my recomp?

GW sounds amazing except for all the cancer warnings

S9009?

I was thinking about getting Helios tabs from Madison J. to stack with MK.

Can anyone create a 'stack' which will be as close as taking gear without any of it messing with HTPA and other fertility related hormones and not cause insane side effects?


Thanks.

[JuliusPleaser]

Gear headed, are you out there lol?

[GearHeaded]

HGH
Insulin
T4/T3
Injectible Sr9009
Helios (or just run Yohimbe and Clen separately)
MK677


pretty simple and straight forward stack that you can easily 'recomp' on (ie, get lean and maintain or even build muscle).

all these things combined are very synergistic with each other and work together for both fat loss as well as up regulating anabolism.

eg., T4 , when converted in the liver into active thyroid, in the presence of HGH and insulin, creates an enzymatic by-product that is anabolic in muscle tissue. so your not just taking T4 as a 'fat burner' , its acting as an anabolic in the presence of HGH and insulin.
same with Clenbuterol at mild dosages, its an anabolic especially when other growth factors are present.

all of these things are NOT hpta suppressive and build muscle and burn fat outside of AR binding activity


side note - your IGF levels from MK are probably only going to be about 25-30% elevated cause its only been a couple weeks .. for 100% elevation thats going to take about 5+ weeks (this was tracked in a study on MK on people for 6 months)

[JuliusPleaser]

Do i really have to throw slin in there again? I'm so fat I don't think it will help. And its even possible it is what got me fat long ago when I was experimenting with it when I got off of TRT.

What aboure Cardinine or YK-11. Worth anything or just too crazy? I feel like much of these are hyped to be frank.

Out of the list you made what are the must-haves aside from MK?

I remember you teaching me to take slin pre-workout. Would I even need HGH if I'm taking MK? I don't see the point

[GearHeaded]

I'd run the slin at very low dose just to get it in the blood stream to add synergy with the other compounds (not for any growth by itself)..

Sr9009 is going to replace cardarine (ie, gw50) . they are both PPR agonists and kinda the same drug .. its just injetible SR9009 is a more potent fat burner . if your were wanting more athletic endurance, then Cardarine would be better.

YK11 is pricey and no evidence as of yet that it does much of anything let alone lowers actual myostatin .. PLUS your not on any androgens to begin with so your Myostatin levels should be low normal anyhow .

the HGH would be taken first thing in the morning, with the clen , small dose of slin, and yohimbe.. thats going to give you the lipolytic effects that come from exogenous HGH.

then the MK677 comes in at night and helps you pulse natty HGH while you sleep which helps boost your recovery and promote anabolism..

so yes I'd run them together, they are doing two different things at different times .

I've got a bunch of guys working with me currently that are running HGH with MK677 together and having way better results then running one of them solo

[JuliusPleaser]

so in this method, we aren't using slin to build muscle, but to clear our lower blood glucose even further in the am?

What bout taking it pre-workout like last time to do shuttle carbs in?

what doses are we talking here for each compound you listed?

MK im doing 30mg a night.

Clen i wouldn't go higher than 40mcg and the produce i'm looking to buy has 2.5mg of yohibime in it with the clen

slin, I can only get the OTC slower acting form from walmart, so idk how this would work

HGH i wanted to give up on totally lol and finding legit is another story; especially now china is cracking down on all drugs

[JuliusPleaser]

insttead of getting HGH kits, what if I took MK twice, once at 30mg night and then the next morning in the 30mg am?

MA sups claims it is like 3-4ius pharm grade, pretty big claim.

[Windex]

In Canada, "Helios" is ;

Caffeine
Yohimbe
Albuterol
Nicotine

All in one pill. Have personally never used it but a lot of good reviews claiming it to be superior to an ECA style stack.

I really like Cardarine, I find the endurance boost really motivating. Helps me get through workouts a lot easier (I do 2x hypertrophy sessions, 1 in AM and 1 in PM). 10mg AM 10mg PM. Not sure of cost in US but canada Cardarine is cheaper by dose than SR

A super budget option for endurance would just be Ventalin.

I followed Austinites T3 protocol and was very satisfied with the results.

Perhaps your looking in the wrong places for HGH. You've been a member for 12 years. I imagine someone might be able to throw you a bone.

[JuliusPleaser]

Well palumbo sent me a connect he had which is where i get my HCG and all, they sell everything too, but its china, so you never know. Ive gotten my hands on all kinds of HGH, frankly i don't see the difference really