WTF!!!! Subpar IGF1 results from MK

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-27-2019, 10:09 AM

I just got my IGF1 test back from the doctor and it was 111! I mean man, even the Chinese kits would raise it higher!

I've been taking MA supps MK 677 for over three weeks and if these are the results, i cannot possibly say its legit.

Regular ranges for IGF1 are 55 to 331 according to this test

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-27-2019, 10:30 AM

Its supposed to increase it way more: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28340044

is it possibly my use of GH back in the day has caused my own production to suck, therefore, MK couldn't do much?

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 12-27-2019, 01:19 PM

I used two different brands and bloodwork showed no IGF-1 improvement.
I gave up mk-677 after that.

not saying it doesn't work.... just saying my gear was bunk

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-27-2019, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

I used two different brands and bloodwork showed no IGF-1 improvement.
I gave up mk-677 after that.

not saying it doesn't work.... just saying my gear was bunk

Hmmm. I mean everyone I've looked up says MA supps has the best MK on market. Gearheaded even supports the brand. I have to say though, my workouts are insane and my pumps are great. I don't know what it could be really. I train like a mad man. perhaps there's something else in this bottle? Idk.

What peps or supps have you taken that have had a good experience with the bloods to support them?

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-27-2019, 06:00 PM

Yes, it is somatozine.

I don't have the baseline but the last time I took an IGF1 test I was at 199.

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-27-2019, 06:02 PM

I actually just emailed them to ask wtf is going on

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-27-2019, 06:38 PM

I'm curious to see what Gear has to say about this. I'm very disappointed

**GearHeaded** · 12-27-2019, 10:08 PM

for one .. 2-3 weeks is too soon for iGF blood work . keep in mind MK is a 'natural" GH secretagogue . your not getting supraphysioligical exogenous dosages of HGH. also the recommendation is generally 6 weeks to see full IGF saturation with MK.

for two .. are you not on a carnivore diet and likely in ketosis ?
of course your iGF levels are going to be shit when on carnivore diet or in ketosis. thats part of why keto diets are "anti cancer" , they reduce IGF levels via the lack of insulin and glucose output (insulin and glucose promote hepatic IGF output).

you can have a ton of HGH, but if you don't have the other co factors with it, like insulin, then its not gong to raise IGF all by itself

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-28-2019, 12:24 AM

So you think I should get a few more bottles then?

I got off carnivore for the holidays and now im doing just find digestion wise and sensitivity to carbs.

Either way, like I said, I'm getting pumps, sweating in gym, and strength so something is happening.

**HoldMyBeer** · 12-28-2019, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

for one .. 2-3 weeks is too soon for iGF blood work . keep in mind MK is a 'natural" GH secretagogue . your not getting supraphysioligical exogenous dosages of HGH. also the recommendation is generally 6 weeks to see full IGF saturation with MK.

for two .. are you not on a carnivore diet and likely in ketosis ?
of course your iGF levels are going to be shit when on carnivore diet or in ketosis. thats part of why keto diets are "anti cancer" , they reduce IGF levels via the lack of insulin and glucose output (insulin and glucose promote hepatic IGF output).

you can have a ton of HGH, but if you don't have the other co factors with it, like insulin, then its not gong to raise IGF all by itself

I thought you were not supposed to run MK for more than 4 weeks straight because your body starts to adapt? (4 on 4 off type of thing)

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-28-2019, 10:58 AM

Idk. SOme people say run at least 8 weeks, but even so, my levels shouldn't be at 111; I'm 35 years old, and if this was doing its job, it should be higher even if I was at the lower range.

I'm waiting for MAsupps to respond to my email. BUt like I said, its doing SOMETHING because my god my intensity is insane; i sweat and im getting stronger.

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-28-2019, 04:38 PM

I'm also not getting any side from the MK. The first day my hand was asleep when I woke up but that was it. I don't have any hunger at all.

**Steroidman99** · 12-28-2019, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser

I just got my IGF1 test back from the doctor and it was 111! I mean man, even the Chinese kits would raise it higher!

I've been taking MA supps MK 677 for over three weeks and if these are the results, i cannot possibly say its legit.

Regular ranges for IGF1 are 55 to 331 according to this test

LOL I wouldn't touch anything from a site like this. Trustworthy sites look otherwise. Why don't you order raw powder from China, when you have no option but to buy gear from such fraudulent websites?

**GearHeaded** · 12-28-2019, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Steroidman99

LOL I wouldn't touch anything from a site like this. Trustworthy sites look otherwise. Why don't you order raw powder from China, when you have no option but to buy gear from such fraudulent websites?

total contradictory post here . you recommend ordering raws from china at the same time as recommend not ordering from fraudulent websites . like your china man off Alibaba . com where you get raws is not a fraud , lol . where legit sites that actually send their people to china on business to actually acquire proper raws in person to build products to sell domestically are somehow the 'fraud sites' .
lol man you have no clue

**GearHeaded** · 12-28-2019, 07:40 PM

side note to this thread..

hepatic output of IGF requires insulin , glucose, and estrogen . if you get your IGF tested while on cycle, when you have way more estrogen then normal and have a much higher level of insulin and glucose metabolism, your iGF levels are likely going to be much higher..
high levels of estrogen, which promote hepatic IGF output, generally require administration of AAS that convert to estrogen .

if your natty, or supressed and not producing much natty estrogen, then your IGF levels will likely be shit (even it taking exogenous HGH)..
but thats ok . cause HGH benefits are not dependent on IGF levels. HGH does a whole host of beneficial things besides just help produce IGF . IGF is just one factor of HGH output. its not the only thing. HGH does plenty apart from IGF.
thats why your getting better pumps and feeling better.

if your whole goal is simply more IGF . then why don't you just take IGF itself .. or if you want more IGF output and more HGH conversion into IGF. then take in higher amounts of carbs, insulin, and increase your estrogen levels with exogenous androgens.
or take tren , which sensitizes your liver to estrogen so that estrogen can produce more IGF..

but MK itself , when not taking in other things that promote IGF output ,, is simply for the HGH upregulation. which again has its own benefits seperate from hepatic IGF output

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-28-2019, 09:57 PM

I hope you're right. I mean I cannot deny the feelings. I thought IGF1 tests were what proves something is legit or not. Someone also argued that MK spikes at different times and its hard to pinpoint when during them so can't get a reliable test. My other friend suggested perhaps mine is naturally so surpressed for some reason that this is the best it can do now.

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-28-2019, 10:28 PM

61% increase igf serum levels at 25mg at 6 weeks... The bottle has 2 days left and I'm at 111. Somethings off.

https://n.neurology.org/content/71/21/1702

**GearHeaded** · 12-28-2019, 10:36 PM

so what was your IGF levels before starting MK677 3 weeks ago

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-28-2019, 10:43 PM

I don't know, that's the issue too man. Do you think they were at 55 and below?

Do you think I should cancel my peptide order and give the MK another try? Ill cancel the order now.

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-28-2019, 10:46 PM

btw, gear, i had sent you a PM the other day

**GearHeaded** · 12-28-2019, 10:49 PM

don't stress it brother.. its going to work out. MK is an awesome "peptide" and straight out works. period. I've seen it over and over again.
but , test deca dbol also works. don't stretch yourself too far by trying to be too fancy (and thats coming from a guy thats the 'fancy steriod guru').. keep it basic and give it time. focus on your nutrition and training.. things will work out for you

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-28-2019, 11:06 PM

So I will cancel my peptide order and give it another try....unless you think I shouldn't cancel the peptide order and try that stack i put together.

**Kyle1337** · 12-29-2019, 05:11 PM

Mk677 from MA works for me. Altho I use it alongside insulin and other HGH, but I can absolutely tell when I introduce Mk677, even to the other 50 supps I take. it's the only one I actually notice, besides Tren LOL

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-29-2019, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Kyle1337

Mk677 from MA works for me. Altho I use it alongside insulin and other HGH, but I can absolutely tell when I introduce Mk677, even to the other 50 supps I take. it's the only one I actually notice, besides Tren LOL

Well Like i said, I noticed a lot of things: insane pumps, sustained energy, and strength increases in the gym, but no sign of it working in my blood work. I'm going to experiment with the peptides I purchased and then take blood work. I can always get MK later on, but I want to hear from MA supps about what they think