thinking of going on hrt

[rctriplefresh5]

ok hey guys, whats up i am a 19 year old male who has been lifting for 4 years. i am currently 6'1 165 pounds LOL. lately i have noticed symptoms of low testosterone so i decided to get my tesosterone checked. i had a score of 270 on a scale of 244-890 which my doc considers normal. idc what he says,, a 19 year old shouldnt be walking around at less than 500. anyway, im getting my free tesosterone checked tomorrow(since he wouldnt help me out due to my normal total tesosterone) my question is do you think it would be a good idea to get hrt from a urologist ive spoken to that lives a state away from me.(40ish minutes drive) i mean i dont want to inject myself daily for life being 19, and iive always thought of people who use roids as cheaters*no hate here) but i have heard its pretty risky to live with low test. Also i have an endo appoitment but i heard urologists are better. im guessing the endo will say the same shit my physician said. either way i found a pretty good guy who is in staten island(im in new jersey) and i think if i get the treatment hed be a good guy to see. heres his profiles http://www.youtube.com/user/bargor24


btw i dont have a free test range im supposed to go get that tested tomorrow if the doctor isnt closed(its supposed to snow) i have a bad cold today will that effect my test results? im also going for an mri, and im supposed to schedule the appointment tomorrow. im checking to see if i could have a tumor do you think my cold is going to mess with the pictures in the mri and **** up my images of my brains.

[rctriplefresh5]

noone wants to help mes?

[T-MOS]

its not that no one wants to help, your post was last night and late on the east coast, give it some time

as for me, I didn't watch the whole video you posted, but I am always skeptical of those things

Your best bet if your levels are really that low is to find an Endocrinologist that will consider putting you on HRT

Problem with that, is at 19, the thought of being on HRT for the rest of your life kinda sux

i don't think having a cold will effect your levels, but I am not 100% on that so the best thing is to just ask the doc

[rctriplefresh5]

well i just posted a youtube link to the guys profile. the guy is a urologist. ive heard that urologists have more sympathy towards these issues, and this guy is legit. he has been on tv, has written books etc. Most endos/physicians/ and even urologist dont want to hear the term tesosterone. This is represented by my physician telling a 19 year old with a test level of 270 he is fine

i keep hearing that it will suck. i mean i know id have to inject myself once every 3 weeks, but besides that what is so bad about it, if i can live healthier, be more agressive in the gym, etc? do the needles hurt like a bitch?

[mountainboy]

Love the squirrel dude!! Lmfao!!! Or is it a monkey!!

[T-MOS]

well i just posted a youtube link to the guys profile. the guy is a urologist. ive heard that urologists have more sympathy towards these issues, and this guy is legit. he has been on tv, has written books etc. Most endos/physicians/ and even urologist dont want to hear the term tesosterone. This is represented by my physician telling a 19 year old with a test level of 270 he is fine

i keep hearing that it will suck. i mean i know id have to inject myself once every 3 weeks, but besides that what is so bad about it, if i can live healthier, be more agressive in the gym, etc? do the needles hurt like a bitch?

Injecting is easy painless and becomes addictive. there will be some pain the first few times as virgin muscle has to get used to being stuck

you are probably looking at a shot every 2 weeks for TRT, more if you decide to cycle

downside is being on forever, having to watch your estrogen levels, and other blood levels and dealing with any other typical side effects from having additional test in you

[rctriplefresh5]

would yo usay the benefits outweigh the risks? i mean if the injections are quick and painless it might be fun to inject myself I NEED TO TOUGHEN UP LOL. well, anyone with or without trt should monitor their blood work(i dont lol) is tesosterone unhealthy though, i was under the assumption that since im trying to get to high normal(800) and not at steroid levels, it wasnt unhealthy to be on for the next 70 yerars of my life or it wasnt taxing on the liver.

i think the doc im going to likes 3 week injections./

[rctriplefresh5]

anyone else? i just got myfree test tested will have the the resulkts soon.

[FallenWyvern]

If you were 30+ sure, I would have comments.

[rctriplefresh5]

thats a pretty dumb thing to say...just because im 19 i dont deserve help? itsa not like i want to take trt, but i obviously need it.

[FallenWyvern]

thats a pretty dumb thing to say...just because im 19 i dont deserve help? itsa not like i want to take trt, but i obviously need it.

Then why didn't the first doc give it to you, if it was so obvious.

[rctriplefresh5]

are you really asking me why a PHYSICIAN didnt prescribe me trt? i would think you would know how doctors feel... anyway a urologist is giving me it so i guess it is obvious. im sorry 270 is super high to you at 19. if tesosterone isnt necessary for me( a 19 year old with the highest test in his life) then it isnt necessary for anyone on this site b/c im sure i have the lowest evels here, and im guessing some people are just trying to get in the high range of normal on here while i just want to be at 600 which is still low for someone my age... im not starting the hrt until i get an mri though i want to make sure i rule out a tumor before starting trt for life and sht,. i also got a second test on my free test levels just to make sure about this.

[jnewton86]

i can assure you the members here have good reasoning for not giving out advice at such a young age. i produce zero test and to my doc levels in the 400 range are sufficient in his eyes. if you spoke to an endo and he's prescribed you the meds, you dont have to justify yourself here

[rctriplefresh5]

yeah but im not at 400 lol i mat 270. im confused by your post. if you produce 0 test shouldnt your doctor have prescribed you something if 400 is his normal range?

thanks man, i know i dont need to justify it to anyone, just wish i was more welcome on this site, as i am weary to go on trt in the first place it would be nice to have some support from the people who have been on it for 10 years, in case i had any issues or concerns. but i guess im not supposed to be on it is that right fallwyrven .

[StritationOrBust]

Hey rctriplefresh5,

Sorry to hear about your low levels bro. I know it can be tuff. Although your kinda of small for your height your not exactly tiny. My suggestion would be hold off on jumping into hrt after just talking to one guy. Go see a couple endos and get a couple of opinions. Your probably right in thinking that your GP has a bias against hrt, but that doesn't automatically make him wrong.

Also its possible that there is some external factor affecting your test production. I'm not claiming to be any kind of expert in this area, but i would just hate to see someone go on hrt at 19 if they didn't have to.

Good lucky budy. Hope everything works out for you

[rctriplefresh5]

Hey rctriplefresh5,

Sorry to hear about your low levels bro. I know it can be tuff. Although your kinda of small for your height your not exactly tiny. My suggestion would be hold off on jumping into hrt after just talking to one guy. Go see a couple endos and get a couple of opinions. Your probably right in thinking that your GP has a bias against hrt, but that doesn't automatically make him wrong.

Also its possible that there is some external factor affecting your test production. I'm not claiming to be any kind of expert in this area, but i would just hate to see someone go on hrt at 19 if they didn't have to.

Good lucky budy. Hope everything works out for you

thanks man. i agree im not ''tiny'' but ive been lifting a long time, and have a good stregth base(which ive noticed has been going down as well) even though im small. most teens who dont work out are lean at 180 and like 5'9ish. i mean i dont mind going on trt at 19, i can get used to the injections( i think) its just im scared of the sde effects. despite what one poster thinks of me, im not in this for free roidzzzzzz. i have never used supps besides gainers in my life(well i tried creatine for 1 month but that was gay).
as for the doctors, the physician said no to patch, injections, or gels. i looked online, and found a urologist who is very knowledgeable on this. hes been in the newspaper, on tv has written books, and ive been emailing him. i just took my free tesosterone test and i am supposed to tell him my results.
i keep hearing people say sucks that you have to be on trt at 19. is their something im missing? is it unhealthy ? i mean if all it is is injecting 1 every 3 weeks, its not that bad of a sacrifice. im just scared because i saw this list of sides.
* Cause skin reactions
* Cause fluid retention
* Cause baldness
* Cause or aggravate sleep apnea (brief, repeated cessation of breathing during sleep)
* Stimulate noncancerous (benign) growth of the prostate and cause or worsen urinary symptoms
* Stimulate growth of prostate cancer that's already present
* Enlarge breasts (gynecomastia)
* Stimulate growth of breast cancer that's already present
* Cause testicle shrinkage (testicular atrophy)
* Limit sperm production (infertility)
* Stimulate excess blood production (polycythemia)

im also scard of the increase in estrogen, i dont want to have femine features. i am starting trt to develop more into a man if i turn intoa chick id be very upset reallys.

[rctriplefresh5]

ok so i got tested again under ''perfect'' conditions. i got my total test tested again 30 minutes after waking up, it came back at 470, (266-1000) and my free test was 73.9 (50-210)
first test was 270 (244-890)
so i have an average total test of 470 plus 270 =370 average..and then 73.9 out of 50-210 free test.

[***xxx***]

well thats not low and totally normal. and forget that bullcrap about beeing a teen and must be in 600's: those are ranges. everybody is different and just because you are a teen doesn t mean you have to be in those high numbers. and btw: its more about sensitivity of your androgen receptors in your cells. so pls, it s not that easy...

good that you got those numbers checked again otherwise you d be a teenager on hrt for life with no reason...

[testmess]

I think the question really is, are you actually/really symptomatic?
I definitely had symptoms when my test hit 429.
I could only sleep 4 hours a night.
I could only work out 2 twice a week and it would take a full 3-4 days to recover from a moderate workout.
I was exhausted 24/7. No energy, none. I only exercised because of sheer will and forcing myself to every week.
Constant depression from feeling tired 24/7
Doing my desk job became very difficult.
I would often pass out for 2 hours in the middle of the work day.
And thats at 429!!!

I just started TRT after my TEST hit about 270. At this level, I didnt want to live to the rest of my life like this. If there was no solution, I would have ended up suicidal in a couple of years.

People who can still exercise/lift 5-7 times a week have no idea what low TRT really is IMHO.

I could barely handle a 20 min slow walk with my girlfriend without crashing and passing out afterwards! Imagine simply walking a mile seeming like a herculean effort.
Or at its worst, getting off the couch seeming a lot harder than running 5 miles when I was 20 years old. Its crippling.

[ZonaDave]

I think the question really is, are you actually/really symptomatic?
I definitely had symptoms when my test hit 429.
I could only sleep 4 hours a night.
I could only work out 2 twice a week and it would take a full 3-4 days to recover from a moderate workout.
I was exhausted 24/7. No energy, none. I only exercised because of sheer will and forcing myself to every week.
Constant depression from feeling tired 24/7
Doing my desk job became very difficult.
I would often pass out for 2 hours in the middle of the work day.
And thats at 429!!!

I just started TRT after my TEST hit about 270. At this level, I didnt want to live to the rest of my life like this. If there was no solution, I would have ended up suicidal in a couple of years.

People who can still exercise/lift 5-7 times a week have no idea what low TRT really is IMHO.

I could barely handle a 20 min slow walk with my girlfriend without crashing and passing out afterwards! Imagine simply walking a mile seeming like a herculean effort.
Or at its worst, getting off the couch seeming a lot harder than running 5 miles when I was 20 years old. Its crippling.

even worse, think of how many guys go most of their lives like that and never get proper treatment or any treatment at all. especially because they were "in range".

i wonder how many of those cases lead to suicide?

[testmess]

Great point ZonaDave, and most doctors make it worse by simply telling you that you are "depressed" (shit yeah youre depressed, your brain is starving for TEST). I had no reasons for depression. I was not psychologically depressed, just chemically.
They'll try to put you on some bullshit anti-depressant when its not the problem. Or ED drugs, or whatever. I went through 8 doctors before one finally said, DAMN, your TEST is low!
Its so obvious in hindsight, but I suffered for YEARS, because of this. Nearly lost my job and had a huge negative effect on my relationship with my girl. Imagine saying "NO" 100% of the time because you are so tired you cant go out and do something with your woman. That can only fly for so long. Im pissed off at docs right now.

[ZonaDave]

Great point ZonaDave, and most doctors make it worse by simply telling you that you are "depressed" (shit yeah youre depressed, your brain is starving for TEST). I had no reasons for depression. I was not psychologically depressed, just chemically.
They'll try to put you on some bullshit anti-depressant when its not the problem. Or ED drugs, or whatever. I went through 8 doctors before one finally said, DAMN, your TEST is low!
Its so obvious in hindsight, but I suffered for YEARS, because of this. Nearly lost my job and had a huge negative effect on my relationship with my girl. Imagine saying "NO" 100% of the time because you are so tired you cant go out and do something with your woman. That can only fly for so long. Im pissed off at docs right now.

your not alone bro! all the stories on here sound very similar. i was in your situation before i started TRT. the doc that first suggested i had low T was an idiot but at least he put that thought in my head and i started doing research. before that i never heard of guys being low on T!

you'll soon forget how bad you feel.

[rctriplefresh5]

ok so i got tested again under ''perfect'' conditions. i got my total test tested again 30 minutes after waking up, it came back at 470, (266-1000) and my free test was 73.9 (50-210)
first test was 270 (244-890)
so i have an average total test of 470 plus 270 =370 average..and then 73.9 out of 50-210 free test.

well thats not low and totally normal. and forget that bullcrap about beeing a teen and must be in 600's: those are ranges. everybody is different and just because you are a teen doesn t mean you have to be in those high numbers. and btw: its more about sensitivity of your androgen receptors in your cells. so pls, it s not that easy...

good that you got those numbers checked again otherwise you d be a teenager on hrt for life with no reason...

I think the question really is, are you actually/really symptomatic?
I definitely had symptoms when my test hit 429.
I could only sleep 4 hours a night.
I could only work out 2 twice a week and it would take a full 3-4 days to recover from a moderate workout.
I was exhausted 24/7. No energy, none. I only exercised because of sheer will and forcing myself to every week.
Constant depression from feeling tired 24/7
Doing my desk job became very difficult.
I would often pass out for 2 hours in the middle of the work day.
And thats at 429!!!

I just started TRT after my TEST hit about 270. At this level, I didnt want to live to the rest of my life like this. If there was no solution, I would have ended up suicidal in a couple of years.

People who can still exercise/lift 5-7 times a week have no idea what low TRT really is IMHO.

I could barely handle a 20 min slow walk with my girlfriend without crashing and passing out afterwards! Imagine simply walking a mile seeming like a herculean effort.
Or at its worst, getting off the couch seeming a lot harder than running 5 miles when I was 20 years old. Its crippling.

yes i pretty much have all of those symptoms man. also the 473 reading was taken 30 minutes after i woke up so that was the highest psossible basically. so im in between 270 and 470. also my free test is pretty low imo. i mean 50-210, and im at 73 lol. plus im convinced my doctors office is full of idiots. im like wow so my range jumped up 200 points i guess thats because itook this one within 30 minutes of waking upo. SHE SAID IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT TIME OF DAY YOU GET THE TEST DONE.....UM TEST IS HIGHEST IN THE MORNINGS.... anyway, i am waiting for my mri results to come back, and if i dont have a tumor, im going to go to a stomach doctor(because ive had ongoing stomach problems) if all that comes back fine, im going to start taking hrts.

even worse, think of how many guys go most of their lives like that and never get proper treatment or any treatment at all. especially because they were "in range".

i wonder how many of those cases lead to suicide?

damn

Great point ZonaDave, and most doctors make it worse by simply telling you that you are "depressed" (shit yeah youre depressed, your brain is starving for TEST). I had no reasons for depression. I was not psychologically depressed, just chemically.
They'll try to put you on some bullshit anti-depressant when its not the problem. Or ED drugs, or whatever. I went through 8 doctors before one finally said, DAMN, your TEST is low!
Its so obvious in hindsight, but I suffered for YEARS, because of this. Nearly lost my job and had a huge negative effect on my relationship with my girl. Imagine saying "NO" 100% of the time because you are so tired you cant go out and do something with your woman. That can only fly for so long. Im pissed off at docs right now.

DUDE my dad asks me to shut the lights off in the house, or take out the trash and i say no. i feel like a dick, but i just dont want to do it. i always thought i was a c****, but i have no desire to do my hw either. ill basically manage my week to do homework a on friday, hw b on sat so on, and trhen copme monday ill be doing all my hw assignments at 10 pm and then sleepping late because i was too lazy to do them before hand and shit.

my dad is worried that test will make me agressive, because im kind of aggressive to him now. but i have read that low test causes psychological problems, and raising test raises endorphins causing you to feel happier.

one more symptom i have s im scared of fighting people. i had this 5'2 120 pound kid who could squat 115 2 inches on the smith machine come up to me and start shit with me, and i was scareed of him. im 6'1 and although i only weigh 165 i can curl more than he squats with good forms. AND IWAS SCARED OF HIM. he was a ginger kid too. i think that has something to do with low test lol.

your not alone bro! all the stories on here sound very similar. i was in your situation before i started TRT. the doc that first suggested i had low T was an idiot but at least he put that thought in my head and i started doing research. before that i never heard of guys being low on T!

you'll soon forget how bad you feel.

the doctor im going to see has been on tv, radios, and has his own books. he says injections are the only way to go, and from what ive heard hes right. only thing thats weird is he prefers once every 3 week injections instead of 1/week

[jnewton86]

yeah but im not at 400 lol i mat 270. im confused by your post. if you produce 0 test shouldnt your doctor have prescribed you something if 400 is his normal range?

thanks man, i know i dont need to justify it to anyone, just wish i was more welcome on this site, as i am weary to go on trt in the first place it would be nice to have some support from the people who have been on it for 10 years, in case i had any issues or concerns. but i guess im not supposed to be on it is that right fallwyrven .

i am on trt, prescribed androgel, 4 pumps in the morning, and hrt. been on it since i was a senior in high school. some of the sides i have and others dont, infertility and ball shrinkage, small price in my eyes however for what u get in return. My case is much different then yours though, i have what is known as hypopituitaryism because of a dirt bike accident, so going on trt and hrt was not a choice

[jc77x]

So what was your Free and Bio Available test levels?????,,,,,,,,,,,,,I would also get your Cortisol and Thyroid levels checked!!!!!!!......very important........ since your so young I would try natural Test Enhancers......I know for me before TRT I felt pretty good everytime I did a cycle of some real good supplement stack along with Protein, L Glutimine and pre and post workout drinks etc....

[rctriplefresh5]

doctor said the thyroids normal, im sure when he forwards the blood work to my urologist he will see what my thyroid is at. dont really feel like payinmg for some supplements when i can get prescribed trt. besides someone on bb.com said natty test boosters are just a mask for my test problem.

and yeah that was my free and total test.

[carpenter13]

even worse, think of how many guys go most of their lives like that and never get proper treatment or any treatment at all. especially because they were "in range".

i wonder how many of those cases lead to suicide?

I'm one of those guys. At age 11 it was obvious to my doctor that I was underdeveloped for my age and suggested hormone therapy. The therapy wasn't covered under my parents health plan so I went untreated.
At age 20 I became extremely suicidal because I felt like I had never developed into a man. At age 25 (when I started training with weights) I was 6' and 130lbs on an extremely narrow frame.
Now at age 40, I'm 6' about 180lb. and 22% BF, (this is after weight training for 15 years on and off.. mostly on). I still get really depressed a lot and It's tough to be out in public most of the time.
Im really not sure what my point is, I was just searching the forums to see if I could find any info on growth hormone therapy for 40 year olds

[rctriplefresh5]

yeah i started lifting weights at 15 i was 5'8 110 pounds, couldnt even do one pushup or bench press the bar. i had to start off with 10 pound plates on the smith. anyway,c after working out for a school year i grew a lot taller, but barely gained weight (went up to 5'11.5 (125) i got a shitload stronger though. ive got no point to this, but i do not want to end up like you man. im stronger than alot of guys bigger than me because my nervous system has put on a good bit of stregth but im too skinny.

btw i called the neurologist today. he told jme to come in with the mri films on thursday. i guess he found a tumor in my mris report?? :.


edit just noticed your 22 percent bf. dude i think you should look into trt. 40 and 6'0 180 is skinny at 6 percent let alone 22 percent. i doubt im over 13.

[carpenter13]

ive got no point to this, but i do not want to end up like you man..

I guess the reason I posted was to say don't end up like me.

edit just noticed your 22 percent bf. dude i think you should look into trt. 40 and 6'0 180 is skinny at 6 percent let alone 22 percent. i doubt im over 13.

Yeah I know 22% is probably unhealthy too. I'm looking into HGH or maybe starting an AS cycle on my own.

Good luck with your MRI results man

[rctriplefresh5]

my best advice to you is to look at the videos from my urologist in the original post of this thread. he knows his shit from what ican see. and that is why if i get a clean bill of health im going to him for my trt.
my second advice is for you not to go on hgh or aas. it can have long term health effect. i would just go on trt for life from a doctor who will prescribe it for you.
besides wont hgh give you the hgh belly.

thanks man i hope ill be alright.

[zaggahamma]

i didnt read all posts but i find the younger guys looking for trt very interesting as most of us havent had the opportunity to check our levels and know the importance of test...i always wonder how long i was low T...when i was first checked at 37 i was low normal but could have been low all my life

good luck bro....lmk if i can help in anyway

[rctriplefresh5]

just got back from the neurologists. he said that there was a small spot in my brain. that looked irregular. he said it was probably a 2mm tumor(which is small i guess because we looked at my films and he couldnt see them) anyway e told me i should go to the endo (not the urologist) and have a full hormone profile done. he said ishouldnt get surgery b/c of the tumors size being so small.

i got him to write me a script for surgery though ialso have an endo appointment but iwant this thing removed. i plan on using trt when im 40 (if i dont need it now since i have a feeling that treating my pituitary tumor with a anti prolactin or something from the endos is why im low) and i dont want to worry about my tumor enlarging.

[rctriplefresh5]

going to the neurosurgeon on tuesday for a consultation

[FallenWyvern]

just got back from the neurologists. he said that there was a small spot in my brain. that looked irregular. he said it was probably a 2mm tumor(which is small i guess because we looked at my films and he couldnt see them) anyway e told me i should go to the endo (not the urologist) and have a full hormone profile done. he said ishouldnt get surgery b/c of the tumors size being so small.

i got him to write me a script for surgery though ialso have an endo appointment but iwant this thing removed. i plan on using trt when im 40 (if i dont need it now since i have a feeling that treating my pituitary tumor with a anti prolactin or something from the endos is why im low) and i dont want to worry about my tumor enlarging.

Wow, that sounds horrible.

[rctriplefresh5]

idk at this point the tumors very manageable so its not too bad plus i dont got to be on trts.

[rctriplefresh5]

thought id update you guys. i went to the neurosurgeon, and that guy was a dick( i went like2 weeks ago) anyway, he said im crazy, and the small legion or tumor(theyre not sure and dont seem to care) is NOT causing my symptoms, and that im a psycho and im imagining these symptoms. THATS FUNNY B/;C EVERYTHING IVE READ ABOUT pituitary tumors online on accredited site, offers the symptoms im having, POOR eyesight, migraines, low test, treduced stegth, feeling like shit, small bones and girlish figures...ok ok hahaha. but yueah i also talked to someone on menshealth fforums, who said that 13 years ago she got told to ignore her tumor(just like i got told) and now she is disabled with a disease called cushens? anyway my question is, if istart trrt will my tumor grow?

[davepl]

I think that either (a) you have self-diagnosed with hypogonadism, or (b) you're drug seeking because you want a legitimate reason to take T for working out.

You've listed a host of psychological issues but you insist on attributing them to your normal T levels. Have you been evaluated by a mental health professional?

You have tumors that you wonder might be increased by TRT yet you're still looking for someone to endorse you taking TRT. Doesn't that sound odd?

If somehow the complaints you have were attributable to a low T level, then all the power to you. But you don't have a low T level (I'm 150, so don't talk to me about 470 or whatever).

I'm honestly not trying to be an ass. But you sound like you need Paxil way worse than Testosterone. And take that for what its worth, I'm not a doctor.

[rctriplefresh5]

first off this thread was made a month ago, and ive had plenty of opportunities to be prescribed trt since then. i have been looking for ways to not have to take it, like anti prolactins etc, next off i dont give a **** that youre 150, i am 19 years old and my first draw was at 270 which is very low, i then took another test within 15 minutes of waking up and it was at 470. 470 is still pretty low, but lets assume its normal, my free test was also taken 15 minutes after waking up and my free test on a scale of 50-210 was only 73. im tired of all the people who think theyre so smart coming ion here and saying i mcrazy. i think if anybodys looking for ilegitimate reasons to take test its the 30 plus year olds who have 400 or more test rather than a 19 year old who really is valid in being pissed that his test is 400. i mean at 30 years old its not a big deal if your test isnt that of a silverback, and you guys have the nerve to tell me i dont need it or im selfish. also ive been lifting for 4.5 years and have never used any supplements im not looking for any way out of hard work in lifting.

sorry if isounfd lie a dick to anybody whos helped its just people like this guy and FallenWyvern's Avatar
FallenWyvern think theyre brilliant.

also people can be symptomatic at any age.

[davepl]

Well, I do think I'm brilliant, there's no getting around that. Handsome, too. But enough about me. I hope my level comes up to what yours is now after TRT. They'll call me normal then.

And hey, I'm not trolling for an argument. I could go and post Atari ST propaganda in the Amiga forums if that's what I was up for. Just figured you should re-examine your motives. If you have, and you're being honest with yourself about why your passionately interested in TRT, all the power to you. Be well!

[rctriplefresh5]

how old are you? did you get yourfree test tested as well? do you know what your levels were when you were my age? iamgine if you felt the way you do now when youwere 19 man. i mean a 270-470 test level is shit for anyone and a 73 out of 50- 210 free test is shit as well for anyone elt alone a teenager. imagine how il lbe feeling as an adult ha.
but yeah thats why i wqas asking if getting on trt will increase my tumors size. the doctor doesnt want to operate on my tumor, he wants to live in bad health like i am so far now. fhe wont help me get healthy i have to look for alternate way s of getting healthy without ****ing myself some even further./