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    New routine, please critique

    19 years old
    5’9, 170
    BF = around 15%. Lost a lot of weight in my legs after pinched nerve messed up my leg workouts, used to be around 180-185

    Goals:
    Size gains: Mainly in legs and arms. More defined, “solid” chest – not as flabby as it is now.
    Strength: Shoulders are my biggest concern with strength. They look fine compared to rest of body but are weakest body part. Overall I'm more concerned with size than strength though.

    To note: I have really bad muscle fatigue, after even a few sets my strength goes way down even with long rests. Also my triceps get real sore after a workout, can't do any pushing movements for a few days after working tris.

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    I have two different workouts for each body part that I rotate each week. So I’ll do workout “A” one week, “B” the next, etc.

    As far as tempo goes, I’ve recently started doing certain exercises slower on the way down. If I don’t list a tempo I’m just doing them normally. If you have thoughts/comments on any of this please post them.

    Monday: Shoulders

    A:

    DB Shoulder Press, 4 sets of 8-10 reps (1-1-3 tempo)
    One Arm Reverse Flies, 3 sets of 8-10 reps
    Standing Rear Lateral cable Raise, 3 sets of 8-10 reps (1-1-3 tempo)
    Front Raises, 3 sets of 8-10 reps (1-1-2 tempo)


    B:
    Seated Barbell Shoulder Press, 4 sets of 8-10 reps (1-1-3 tempo)
    BB Upright Row, 3 sets of 8-10 reps (1-1-2 tempo)
    Barbell Shrugs, 3 sets of 15-20 reps
    Cable Side Raises, 3 sets of 8-10 reps (1-1-2 tempo)



    Tuesday: Cardio (40 minutes bike/treadmill/stair-climber/elliptical or pickup basketball)



    Wednesday: Chest

    A:

    DB Flat Bench Press, 4 sets of 8-10 reps (1-1-3 tempo)
    DB Incline Bench Press, 4 sets of 8-10 reps
    Flies, 3 sets of 8-10 reps (2-1-3 tempo)
    Bodyweight Dips, 3 sets to failure (this usually works out to be 10-12 reps at this point in the workout)


    B:
    DB Incline Bench Press, 4 sets of 8-10 reps (1-1-3 tempo)
    DB Flat Bench Press, 4 sets of 8-10 reps
    Wide Grip Bench Press (pointer fingers just outside rings), 3 sets of 6-8 reps (1-1-3 tempo)
    Standing Decline Cable Press, 3 sets of 8-10 reps (1-1-3 tempo)



    Thursday: Legs

    A:

    Ass-To-Ground Squats*, 15/10/10/10
    Deadlifts, 4 sets of 8-10
    Leg Curl Machine, 4 sets of 6-12
    Leg Press: 2 sets of 20 (pretty light weight at this point)


    B:
    Deadlifts, 10/8/6/4
    Ass-To-Ground Squats, 4 sets of 8-10
    Glute Ham Raises, 4 sets of 6-10
    Leg Extension Machine: 3 sets of 8-10

    *I do these and not normal squats because when I do normal squats I lean too far forwards and throw my back out every time. With these I can know I’m not going to injure myself. I’m trying to work on flexibility but as of now this is the best I can do.



    Friday: Arms

    A: note that the order changes every time, just rotating biceps with triceps
    Standing Zottoman Curls, 4 sets of 8-10 (2-1-4 tempo)
    Close-Grip Bench Press, 4 sets of 8-10 (1-1-2 tempo)
    Wide-Grip Preacher Curls, 3 sets of 8-10 (1-1-3 tempo)
    Tricep Cable Pushdowns, 3 sets of 8-10 reps
    Seated Curls on Incline Bench, 3 sets of 8-10 reps
    Bodyweight Dips, 3 sets to failure


    B: note that the order of the supersets and within the supersets changes. So every other “B” workout I’ll be doing the tricep exercises first, the next time biceps, etc.

    SUPERSET: 4 sets, 90 second rest between sets
    1. DB Skull Crushers, 8-10 reps (1-1-3 tempo)
    -with-
    2. Close-Grip Preacher Curls, 8-10 reps (1-1-3 tempo)

    SUPERSET: 3 sets, 90 second rest between sets
    1. Close-Grip Bench Press, 8-10 reps (1-1-2 tempo)
    -with-
    2. Concentration Curls, 8-10 reps (1-1-3 tempo)

    SUPERSET: 3 sets, 90 second rest between sets
    1. Tricep Kickbacks, 8-10
    -with-
    2. Hammer Curls, 8-10



    Saturday: Off



    Sunday: Back/Cardio

    A:

    Weighted Wide-Grip Pullups, 4 sets of 8-10
    Weighted Chin-Ups, 4 sets of 8-10
    One-Arm Bent-Over DB Row, 4 sets of 8-10
    Stiff-Leg Deadlifts, 3 sets of 8-10


    B:
    Bent-Over Row, 4 sets of 8-10
    Stiff-Leg Deadlifts, 4 sets of 8-10
    T-Bar Row, 3 sets of 8-10
    Pullups: 3 sets to failure



    Thoughts? Don’t hold back, I want opinions.

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    Totally over-training everything. Set wise definitely and I'd say amount of training days wise as well.

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    It's 10 sets for minor muscles (bis and tris) and 13-14 for major muscle groups, you think that's way too much?

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    I think most people will tell you its over-training, I see it as vastly over-training. I believe common protocol is 6-8 sets for minor, 8-12 for major. I tend toward 3-4 for major and 1-2 for minor. But yeah, 13-14 sets you'll be very unlikely to grow unless its initial gains or you're very gifted genetically.

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    You'd consider 3 sets for chest and 1 set for biceps to be sufficient workouts?

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    I don't agree with Cousin at all (no offense), the number of sets you have I think are alright. As far as days...maybe try to limit the lifting to 4 days a week instead of 5, just because 3 days in a row is pretty taxing on the CNS and more training isn't always better. I've personally found that 4 days of lifting a week is better for me because it allows more time to rest. But I know there's a bunch of people on here who lift 5 times a week and have great results. So you have to find what works better for you, do a couple weeks with a 5 day split and then try a 3 or 4 day split and see how your body responds and then go from there.

    Most of the exercises and number of sets you posted seem good to me, but I'm sure many people will have different opinions.

    A couple things I would change though would be maybe put regular deadlifts on back day and move the straight-leg deadlifts to leg day, since they put a large emphasis on the hamstrings. Also for one of your leg days try throwing in some lunges, walking or standing in the same spot, they work great for me.

    And then for back day I'm not really sure if you're doing 2 sets of pullups or chin ups? When I think of pull-ups I think of palms facing towards me, and when I think of chin-ups I think of palms facing away. I personally would do the weighted chin-ups and then maybe another row exercise or do some regular cable pulldowns or try doing some behind your head. But I wouldn't do chin-ups and then pull-ups, but I might also be misunderstanding you post.

    Anyway, everyone here is going to give you different advice and opinions, so the above is just what I would personally recommend. So try experimenting around with different things and see what works best for you. Overall though I think it is a decent workout routine, with just a few things I would change around.
    Last edited by Dan111; 08-27-2010 at 10:04 AM. Reason: changed a few things

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    Thanks.

    Any other thoughts?

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    definitely keep lifting to 4 days a week. i like the rotation with the A and B routines. good stuff.

    for legs, you could try something like squats in your A workout then deadlifts in your B workout for the next week. that way you can really get the most out of those big movements each week instead of compromising yourself by doing them both in one workout.

    overhead pressing is the key to getting strong shoulders. your incline pressing will help that out too.

    looks like a solid program, bro. a couple of changes and you'll be sweet.

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    If I switched to 4 days I'd probably make the split like this:

    monday: shoulders
    tuesday: off
    wednesday: chest, triceps
    thursday: off
    friday: legs
    saturday: off
    sunday: back, biceps

    The other alternative would be to do back and shoulders together but those are both weaker than my arms and chest at the moment so I'd rather give them each separate days.

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    my split is:
    monday: shoulders
    tuesday: off
    wednesday: legs
    thursday: off
    friday: chest,triceps
    saturday: off
    sunday: back, biceps

    i think chest and triceps should be a little far from shoulder´s day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoNoles99 View Post
    If I switched to 4 days I'd probably make the split like this:

    monday: shoulders
    tuesday: off
    wednesday: chest, triceps
    thursday: off
    friday: legs
    saturday: off
    sunday: back, biceps

    The other alternative would be to do back and shoulders together but those are both weaker than my arms and chest at the moment so I'd rather give them each separate days.
    looks good to me. you're lifting pretty much eod and thats not bad.

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    On second thought I hate doing chest with triceps so I think I'll try this:

    Monday: shoulders
    tuesday: cardio
    wednesday: chest, bicep
    thursday: cardio
    friday: back, triceps
    saturday: off
    sunday: legs

    With this I don't do any upper body movements in consecutive days.

    Chest/biceps workout so far looks like this:

    4 sets chest (flat DB press)
    3 sets chest (incline DB press)
    4 sets biceps (zottoman curls)
    3 sets biceps (incline curls)
    3 sets chest (wide grip bench press)
    3 sets biceps (preacher curls)
    3 sets chest (bodyweight dips)

    total = 13 sets chest, 10 sets biceps

    Might have to trim it down but I'll give it a shot today and see how it goes. I'll be switching around exercises and the order, so I'd have chest going first every other week, etc.

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    Only problem with that is that your triceps are getting hit indirectly 2 times and directly once...that's kind of a lot for them to be getting hit 3 times a week.

    I've been on this split for the past 2 months and seen great results:
    Mon - Chest/bi's
    Tues - Off
    Wed - Legs
    Thurs - Off
    Fri - Shoulders/tri's
    Sat - Back
    Sun - Off

    My biceps getting hit indirectly on Saturday and directly on Monday, so it's only 2 days apart, but being one of the smaller muscle groups and the fastest recovering it's worked out great for me so far.

    It's hard to figure out a 4-day split without overtraining certain muscle groups...this is just the best that I've come up with so far, so it's just my recommendation, but if you try the split you listed and it works for you, then great!

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    Thanks, I'll give that some thought.

    What I did for chest and biceps took way too long today, I think I was in the gym for an hour and a half getting finished. I'll try to keep my rests shorter but I definitely need to cut down on sets. I'm worried though, would doing 7 sets of biceps in one week be enough for maximal growth? Or 10 sets for chest? I don't want to overtrain but I also don't want to undertrain.

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    Well on Monday I did 14 sets for chest (4 exercises) and 10 sets for biceps (3 exercises) and I was done in around 50-55 minutes.

    So it depends on the exercises you're doing and rest time. Just make sure that you give it everything you've got and are intense with your workouts. A lot of people go in and just sit around either talking, texting, zoning out, etc etc...for me I just throw in some music and don't focus on anything else and I don't let anything else distract me. I have a workout partner as well, so while I'm resting they're performing their set and as soon as they're done I go. This usually gives about 45-60 seconds of rest time in between sets.

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    When I use rests that short my lifts really suffer. If I did 10 reps of 225 flat bench press and tried another set in 60 seconds I'd be lucky to get 4 reps.

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    GoNoles99 I think your workouts are good. I have 2 worksouts for each muscle set up very similiar. Also i do about 12-14 sets for big muscles so your not over training at all as long as your workouts are an hour in a half or less. Also you do each muscle once a week so the more sets the better because you have plenty of time to heal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoNoles99 View Post
    When I use rests that short my lifts really suffer. If I did 10 reps of 225 flat bench press and tried another set in 60 seconds I'd be lucky to get 4 reps.
    So you are doing 4 sets of 225Lbs for chest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoNoles99 View Post
    You'd consider 3 sets for chest and 1 set for biceps to be sufficient workouts?
    Yes, I do.

    You will gain more muscle mass by doing 1 set of 6 reps to failure than doing 12 sets of 10-12 reps.

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    My current routine is as follows :

    Mon: Chest and arms (tris and bis)

    Wed: Legs/calfs

    Fri: Back and shoulders

    Sunday : repeat

    I have tried many different splits in the past and found I was over training. I find the extra rest lets me really hit it hard on my training days. Just my 2 cents. Sometimes I even take Sat and Sun off and wait until Monday to repeat, the extra rest is crucial.

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    Also keep the sets between 2 and 4 and reps in the 6-10 range.

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