Simple Simons Starter cycle

[Simon1972]

hey guys from Australia.

Im 40, had enough of this 5foot 11, 169 pound frame. ive got great base to work off but im generally just a skinny guy with a bodyfat of 16%.

Doing my research and would love some input to make sure i have it all covered so i can tell my source what i want as oposed to what he wants to give me. (He tried to put me on a dianabol only cycle with pct)

Im scared stiff of the prospect of injecting myself so orals were the way to go until i researched. I still want to have 1 more kid so my balls are important to me- not prepared to lose them just yet!

my proposed cycle is as follows.

WK1 TEST E- 400mg EW--- DBOL 50mg ED-0.5 mg/day ARIMIDEX
WK2 TEST E- 400mg EW--- DBOL 50mg ED-0.5 mg/day ARIMIDEX
WK3 TEST E- 400mg EW--- DBOL 50mg ED-0.5 mg/day ARIMIDEX
WK4 TEST E- 400mg EW--- DBOL 50mg ED-0.5 mg/day ARIMIDEX
WK5 TEST E- 400mg EW--- 0.5 mg/day ARIMIDEX
WK6 TEST E- 400mg EW--- 0.5 mg/day ARIMIDEX
WK7 TEST E- 400mg EW--- 0.5 mg/day ARIMIDEX
WK8 TEST E- 400mg EW--- 0.5 mg/day ARIMIDEX
WK9 TEST E- 400mg EW--- 0.5 mg/day ARIMIDEX
WK10 TEST E- 400mg EW--- 0.5 mg/day ARIMIDEX
WK11 --- 0.5 mg/day ARIMIDEX - CLOMID 200mg/day
WK12 --- 0.25 mg/day ARIMIDEX - CLOMID 100mg/day
WK13 ---0.25 mg/EOD ARIMIDEX - CLOMID 50mg/day
WK14 ---0.25 mg/EOD ARIMIDEX - CLOMID 25mg/day
WK15 --- CLOMID 25mg/day
WK16***********FINISHED*************


my main issues that i want to completely avoid would be GYNO and loss of sperm production- have i got everything covered here??.

i want to get big- not like a hulk but an additional 10kgs of lean final gains after post cycle loss- have a 5 day plan set out but am well aware of overtraining and not having enough calories to fuel as well as recover- so will workout based on maintaining a good equilibrium with 3 grams protein per kilo of weight- more is better than less - i will be doing more research into the perfect meal carb vs protein vs fat of each of the 6 meals i intend on eating each day.

A i am pretty slim i expect i should be able to maintain my gains as i m nowhere near my genetic limit.

Any imput on shortcommings in my plan is most welcome.

[songdog]

Bro you need to put on some weight before you cycle.You need to build a base you shouldnt weight under 185.You need to hit the diet section post your diet.They will help you build a base then cycle.Not the other way around.

[fontazya]

Bro you need to put on some weight before you cycle.You need to build a base you shouldnt weight under 185.You need to hit the diet section post your diet.They will help you build a base then cycle.Not the other way around.

totally agree... if u still weighing that light ur definately not eating right and cycling without the proper nutrition knowledge will get u nothing

[darkcrayz]

Bro you need to put on some weight before you cycle.You need to build a base you shouldnt weight under 185.You need to hit the diet section post your diet.They will help you build a base then cycle.Not the other way around.

though i usually agree. he is 40. i dont know too many 40 year old guys walking around jacked.

as for the OP. I would add hcg wait on the arimidex until you see estro sides flair up.

[Simon1972]

Bro you need to put on some weight before you cycle.You need to build a base you shouldnt weight under 185.You need to hit the diet section post your diet.They will help you build a base then cycle.Not the other way around.

already on it Songdog! apetite is a struggle, which makes any gains very hard to make, but ive put on 5 kilos (11 pounds ) since de***ber 2011 when i decided to force feed anything/anytime (healthy options mostly), but as per another post , some of it has been converted to fat- when i get my weight up to 84 kilos ( 185 lbs) and start my cycle sometime in around 4-5 months from now ( thats the plan at this stage)

im 16% body fat at the moment - not too bad- but i want to eventually end up at around 8-10% by end of cycle

how does the cycle look though? have i covered all bases as far as the plan goes? thanks for the feedback

darkrayz- thanks for the feedback- where whould you slot in the HCG into my plan- what changes would you suggest - at what dosage?

[JDBeretta]

And your PCT start time is off. That dose of Arimidex is off. Like someone else posted, either start it when you start to feel like have to or decrease the dose to .25mgs/EOD to start.

As for your PCT, if you are only running 1 SERM, make it Nolva. But you should think about running Nolva and Clomid.

[JDBeretta]

Oh, and if you think that a cycle is going to put 10kgs of muscle on, you are dreaming.

[Simon1972]

Oh, and if you think that a cycle is going to put 10kgs of muscle on, you are dreaming.

10 kgs is what i'd like to aim for- what i end up with is upto my form and dedication, but it wont stop me reaching for 10 kgs. id rather aim for 10 and get 7 than aim for 5 and get 3.

[DanB]

And your PCT start time is off. That dose of Arimidex is off. Like someone else posted, either start it when you start to feel like have to or decrease the dose to .25mgs/EOD to start.

As for your PCT, if you are only running 1 SERM, make it Nolva. But you should think about running Nolva and Clomid.

Oh, and if you think that a cycle is going to put 10kgs of muscle on, you are dreaming.

Agree with both, a.i is way too high, pct is too high and most likely give sides, pct start time is off, im not a fan of 10 week test e, 10kgs of lbm after pct you muct be dreaming, you have no base and by current stats i think a cycle would be a waste of gear

post your current diet in nutrition section, let the guys there sort it out, run that for 12 months minimum and see where your at then mabey consider aas

[stpete]

I'd start PCT in week 12 including nolva w/the clomid @ 40/40/20/20

[Simon1972]

Agree with both, a.i is way too high, pct is too high and most likely give sides, pct start time is off, im not a fan of 10 week test e, 10kgs of lbm after pct you muct be dreaming, you have no base and by current stats i think a cycle would be a waste of gear

post your current diet in nutrition section, let the guys there sort it out, run that for 12 months minimum and see where your at then mabey consider aas

guys forget the 10kgs, it a pipe dream, just something i want to eventually "AIM" for, and nothing to do with getting my cycle in check.

i already have sorted out my diet, im 40 so lean gains are hard without aas, im not keen on putting on massive amounts of fat to reach a target so i have to lose it again, i see alot of guys with 25% body fat starting cycles and they woul have nowhere near the lean muscle im carrying. The whole point of embarking on a bulking cycle is so i can bulk , hence the reason i started this thread. If i could have done so with food and training i already would have.

im 5 foot 11 and as of this morning 174lbs, mere months away from reaching 185lbs as stated previously

i will be starting a cycle eventually- i just wanted to make sure i have all bases covered so i dont damage my endocrine system etc.

as far as the "your'e not eating right- get your diet in sorted out "responses-- well why do you all take steroids for? maybe you should review your own diets and not take any gear??

no offence to all posters- but i wasnt asking for permission - just advice

not wanting to upset anyone- hope i havent.

[DanB]

guys forget the 10kgs, it a pipe dream, just something i want to eventually "AIM" for, and nothing to do with getting my cycle in check.

i already have sorted out my diet, im 40 so lean gains are hard without aas, im not keen on putting on massive amounts of fat to reach a target so i have to lose it again, i see alot of guys with 25% body fat starting cycles and they woul have nowhere near the lean muscle im carrying. The whole point of embarking on a bulking cycle is so i can bulk , hence the reason i started this thread. If i could have done so with food and training i already would have.

im 5 foot 11 and as of this morning 174lbs, mere months away from reaching 185lbs as stated previously

i will be starting a cycle eventually- i just wanted to make sure i have all bases covered so i dont damage my endocrine system etc.

as far as the "your'e not eating right- get your diet in sorted out "responses-- well why do you all take steroids for? maybe you should review your own diets and not take any gear??

no offence to all posters- but i wasnt asking for permission - just advice

not wanting to upset anyone- hope i havent.

that just shows your clueless and your in no posistion to advise anybody to check their own diet when you clearly dont even understand the concept of sport/bodybuilding nutrition

and for the first comment in bold, do you think steroids are magic and will turn you into a bodybuilder and you just eat what you like?

how you going to grow without food? food can only take you so far hence need for steroids, thats a blanketstatement there is also many other factors which i cant be bothered to discuss with you now after your arrogance

you still havnt got the food right hence 5'11 174lbs at 16%, your trying to get a r1 before you can cycle a pushbike

read this thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-a-first-cycle

best of luck im out

[JDBeretta]

I'll tell you what, OP... If you can find a drug that I can put on 10kgs (hell, even 10lbs) of muscle on in one cycle, NAME YOUR PRICE. $10,000? Sold!!

Of you can find a drug that I can put that weight on without having a souls diet, add a '0' to that figure of $10k and I'll throw in a BJ.

For real though, these guys aren't flaming you. They are, if anything, giving you a glimpse of reality.

I thought, like you, that AAS was a magic miracle that I'd put on 30lbs in a cycle and keep half... I sure got a reality check when I starting using it. Steroids are like 4th on the list of importance. 1. Diet. 2. Training 3. PCT.

That being said, they are great if used properly...

[Simon1972]

dan- im on a 40-40-20 carb-protein and fat ratio running at 3000-3500cals. correct me if im wrong about the diet- i think it sounds about right.

its the actual cycle im looking at sorting out now , so "when" i get to my goal weight of 185-200lbs , i wont have to worry about it.

please dont judge me on my past diet and current weight- like i said, im on track to increasing my weight as we speak, i intend on fixing my weight issues as time progresses.

beretta, i know what you are saying and i appreciate it- i just wish people would read beyond my first post- i have my diet in check it is 3000-3500cals and has all the right ratios along with multivitamins fishoil, creatine , nitrix oxide etc etc i could ever need i realise any weight gained will be water if i dont supply the protein to synthisize in producing real gains and i realise i wont gain 10 kgs- its my hope to eventually get there one day overthe next 2 -3 years with proper nutrition and workouts, to be happy with my frame and weight- im not doing steroids at all at the moment- and i wont be doing steroides EVER, untill i get over 185-200lbs. this is a promise.

i am just trying to get my cycle planned out- this is part of my research for when i eventually take the step.

i wont leave my plan to the lastminute and put up a post after i buy the gear and have injected like some posters in this forum have...this is all planning