Tren/Mast/Test on cycle question (Have done some searching)

[hamder]

I have been searching around, and i cant seem to find, exactly, what i am looking for.

Starting with tren a, test p, mast p/25 mg. of each ED. Upping to 1½x or 2x the dose, when i see how i react to the stuff. Or should i start higher? 175 mg. of each EW seems quite low. But i wanted to do, kinda like a testdrive .

My cycle history so far is only a couple of dumbass cycles when i was young. One test p and a wins. Recently i ran wins/t3, so for that one, my training and diet was in check. And i know i should not be running this cycle, as of now, but i cant ignore those resulst. So im going for it.

Standard nolva and clomid PCT.

I am going to run .5 - 1 mg. caber ew, during the cycle, and i were wondering if i should include arimidex during the cycle aswell? At .25 - .5 mg. eod.

[Shadowmaker]

i loled at the dosages, dude...
might be ok with tren maybe... but test...dude... 25mg a day? you can use tribulus imo

anyway, i think this is too complex for you now... first off - you dont have much real experience and also - you dont even know what to expect so to be safe you will use dosages less than someone would do for a dog

anyway, with what we have here now - you can up the prop already... 25mg wont even give you erotic dreams which some ppl get from tribulus.
masteron should also be done a lil bit higher... id say, that minimal dosage on test p would be like 250mg a week, masteron like 250-300mg a week and tren also some 300-350...
so, for starters if you feel the need to go low, do at least 250mg of test and masteron... tren could maybe even stay as you planned cause thats one scary shit(i just hate the cough).

[hamder]

I forgot to mention, that it is a stack, combining the three preps in one fluid (50 mg. of each/ml).. Sorry about that. But yeah The doses seemed quite low to me aswell. The low doses comes from the fact that tren is included. But i can deduce from your statement, that it would be wise to start low, so i will.. And if i do not react too bad on tren, i will up the dose. (edit.) = Should i start higher? What i posted, was .5 ml. ED. Should i go 0.75 ml. ED instead? That would put me in ~250 mg. a week.

Any thoughts on the arimidex?

[Shadowmaker]

Should i go 0.75 ml. ED instead?

Any thoughts on the arimidex?

if you cant up the test and masteron only then nah... its a stupid dosage but i suggest only what I would do, and with tren includes id better stay low at first...

on arimidex i have no idea, so i hope someone will show up and answer

[hamder]

if you cant up the test and masteron only then nah... its a stupid dosage but i suggest only what I would do, and with tren includes id better stay low at first...

on arimidex i have no idea, so i hope someone will show up and answer

alright Thank you very much for your input!

[stpete]

Besides your age, height and weight, you need to do a lot more research. Your diet is off and you need to get that and training together before starting a cycle. Wait another 2 years and you'll be doing yourself a favor.

Good Luck

[hamder]

Besides your age, height and weight, you need to do a lot more research. Your diet is off and you need to get that and training together before starting a cycle. Wait another 2 years and you'll be doing yourself a favor.

Good Luck

Piss off with your ignorant comment

[austinite]

Piss off with your ignorant comment

Really? He gave you the advice with your best interest in mind. You should apologize or go elsewhere with that attitude.

[The Titan99]

Piss off with your ignorant comment

You just told the AR monitor to piss off...AFTER he took the time to give you some valuable advice...LOL!!!

[Shadowmaker]

AFTER he took the time to give you some valuable advice

you do know, that if Weider would give such advice to young Arnold we wouldnt have our King of Bodybuilding and there possibly would not even be The Governator?

we can discuss that kind of "value" all day long
there is a 19yr old dude from Austria that became legend of bodybuilding and now is in the US Politics just because he didnt get that kind of advice, lol...

i would like some advice that will make me The Governator please, not the one that will make me rot right where i am, without any hopes and dreams... there is not much need for 40yr old abs in the world guys.
i know you have some knowledge but by trying to save some "poor soul" you also basically destroy some guys lives... when you shut down some 18yr old kid in here, you actually could be possibly destroying the next Ronnie Coleman.

[*Admin*]

you do know, that if Weider would give such advice to young Arnold we wouldnt have our King of Bodybuilding and there possibly would not even be The Governator?

we can discuss that kind of "value" all day long
there is a 19yr old dude from Austria that became legend of bodybuilding and now is in the US Politics just because he didnt get that kind of advice, lol...

i would like some advice that will make me The Governator please, not the one that will make me rot right where i am, without any hopes and dreams... there is not much need for 40yr old abs in the world guys.
i know you have some knowledge but by trying to save some "poor soul" you also basically destroy some guys lives... when you shut down some 18yr old kid in here, you actually could be possibly destroying the next Ronnie Coleman.

You raise some semi valid points however there is a way to handle yourselves and a way not to...

that said people give advice based on experience... and many have learned that to start young and dumb is not always the best for you as you mature... just ask Arnold... he will agree.... or ask the many that did not make it to the Arnold level because of many injuries or problems that developed because they did or did not listen to people with experience... many stories in this field and everyone is entitled to tell theirs in a respectful way... good bad or otherwise.


We all need to remember that each post is in response to the individual posting and what has been laid out in that post... not all responses will be the same for everyone...

[Lunk1]

you do know, that if Weider would give such advice to young Arnold we wouldnt have our King of Bodybuilding and there possibly would not even be The Governator?

we can discuss that kind of "value" all day long
there is a 19yr old dude from Austria that became legend of bodybuilding and now is in the US Politics just because he didnt get that kind of advice, lol...

i would like some advice that will make me The Governator please, not the one that will make me rot right where i am, without any hopes and dreams... there is not much need for 40yr old abs in the world guys.
i know you have some knowledge but by trying to save some "poor soul" you also basically destroy some guys lives... when you shut down some 18yr old kid in here, you actually could be possibly destroying the next Ronnie Coleman.

I am not sure I understand your need to consistantly go against the grain Shadowmaker. YES an argument can often times be made for the opposite side of everything but I am not sure when handing out internet advise read by thousands it is a good idea to go against the odds and known averages and say maybe just maybe you should try it..because one guy was able to get a way with it and it worked out for him.

In this particular case the kid is 5'11" 166 at 17% BF! Like I said I am the same height and 240+ at nearly the same BF% and I consider myself 30 lbs or so overweight. At 166 and 5ft 11 inch this kid should be lean as hell but he obviously is not. I highly doubt when Arnold started juicing that he was outa shape and knew nothing about the gym or nutrition. You seem to be intent on giving ppl who OBVIOUSLY should hold off on gear an excuse to "cheat" and forget about what is really important.

Let us not forget that there are some very impressionable minds on here that have a way of hering only what they want to hear and gleaming only what they want to read from a post or comment so try not giving them an excuse to harm themselves please. Like telling ppl you have done 10 cycles by the age of 22...really??? Do you think that is the type of comment or advise that young teens should be getting? I am not talking about the 1 genetic freak who is going to make it. I am talking about the average joe who just wants to get back at the big guy in the gym that stole his girlfriend.

[stpete]

Piss off with your ignorant comment

Piss off and ignorant comment,huh?

I suggest you take full advantage of this site while you can cause i have a feeling you won't be here much longer.

Good Luck in your future endeavors.

[hamder]

Piss off and ignorant comment,huh?

I suggest you take full advantage of this site while you can cause i have a feeling you won't be here much longer.

Good Luck in your future endeavors.

Who cares.. Ill be back. If not, there are many sites, where the mods do not speak to you in a condescending way, which make you look like an idiot. So good luck to you too.. Happy to help make you feel like a bigger man.

[Faceless Rider]

piss off and don't bother us with a seventh post

[Lunk1]

Feel frre to tell me to piss off as well but you are 5'11" at 166 and 17% BF. I am the same height at nearly 240 and nearly same BF%. You need diet and cardio then worry bout the gear. Remeber Petes advise was for your health and safety so remember that before spouting off!

[hamder]

Feel frre to tell me to piss off as well but you are 5'11" at 166 and 17% BF. I am the same height at nearly 240 and nearly same BF%. You need diet and cardio then worry bout the gear. Remeber Petes advise was for your health and safety so remember that before spouting off!

I have lost nearly 50 lbs. So i must be doing something right. Im not trying to be a dick or anything, but he just assumes that i am an idiot. Nobody wait till their genetic peak to use steroids? We all know. Granted, i could be much more, before i start. But i am tired of waiting.

[Shadowmaker]

I have lost nearly 50 lbs. So i must be doing something right.

you have probably made bigger progress than some of the guys thinking you are stupid...
there was this one stupid kunt that once said that i dont have any experience cause im young althou i have done more than 10 cycles and seen all there is to see(had acne, gyno, hairloss, everything) and actually know how i react to stuff
in here, you are smart only if you are old... it doesnt matter what you look like, so its kinda better to just change the birth date, because you could be the next Coleman and have like 20" arms and you would still be called stupid unless you are at least 26-29...

[hamder]

you have probably made bigger progress than some of the guys thinking you are stupid...
there was this one stupid kunt that once said that i dont have any experience cause im young althou i have done more than 10 cycles and seen all there is to see(had acne, gyno, hairloss, everything) and actually know how i react to stuff
in here, you are smart only if you are old... it doesnt matter what you look like, so its kinda better to just change the birth date, because you could be the next Coleman and have like 20" arms and you would still be called stupid unless you are at least 26-29...

Thanks for the support. I dont know where these guys come from, with their attitudes.

[measuretwicecutonce]

you have probably made bigger progress than some of the guys thinking you are stupid...
there was this one stupid kunt that once said that i dont have any experience cause im young althou i have done more than 10 cycles and seen all there is to see(had acne, gyno, hairloss, everything) and actually know how i react to stuff
in here, you are smart only if you are old... it doesnt matter what you look like, so its kinda better to just change the birth date, because you could be the next Coleman and have like 20" arms and you would still be called stupid unless you are at least 26-29...

great advise. then when he has test problems n has to be on TRT for life n struggles thru depression for psychological reasons all thru his 20s among with the other problems from cycling young, we know who to point the finger at.

[Shadowmaker]

great advise. then when he has test problems n has to be on TRT for life n struggles thru depression for psychological reasons all thru his 20s among with the other problems from cycling young, we know who to point the finger at.

i dont get the TRT idea... when you cycle on 1g of test a week - you really need some TRT? i have no idea how a bodybuilder actually can ever stop doin steroids, so i dont see any reason for TRT even if his natural levels are close to zero - most of you recomend 3month cycles of test, well - whats the deal with trt then?

depression and psychological reasons because of roids at young age? i said - ive been on steroids since my early 19, or even late 18, i dont remember... ill be 23 in a month... never had any problems... i gues i have some 2 years left then for my struggling to begin - i dont know...
the thing is - while im ok, im not gonna lie to people and scare them with stuff i havent experienced... if ill have to go to hospital to get something fixed that was screwed up by roids - ill join all of you and help you scare kids away.

as Animal said in this or other thread - young ppl need to make their own mistakes in order to learn.
if you watch out for sides and watch your health during offtime, i think you can actually prevent some disease of getting worse.
if i would had any libido issues after my cycles(and i dont do any pct as i have said millions of times) i would seriously consider steroid use... in 4 years and 10+ cycles i have never had any... sorry

p.s - after this cycle ill take some time off and will go get my blood work done... i think you should hope that it will come back bad as hell.

[*Admin*]

This is disrespectful behavior and you Sir are suspended!

You can think it you can pm it and you can not agree with the advice but you will follow the rules or you will be dealt with...


Good day!

*admin*

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[austinite]

Thank you, Admin!

[stpete]

THANK YOU, Admin!!

[cakemania]

Thank you, Admin!

THANK YOU, Admin!!

REAL hard to create another user. Good job!

Nevertheless.. I have been reading through some of the following posts.

Could you lose 50 lbs, not knowing anything about dieting or training?

Fair enough that do not want this board to be a front for young steroid users. But one cycle is NOT going to kill you. And that is all i want.

Being condescending is not helping anyone. It just makes you out to be a moron. Not even a moron with knowledge. Constructive critisism is the way to go. Maybe you could try it some time. Ofcourse in my case, that would not help, since i have already decided. But if you REALLY mean you want whats best for people.. Guide them to the correct way. Argue why they should wait. Make a sticky "Why you should not be using steroids yet".

And yes.. Nobody wants to be an old ass steroid user. Dumb stuff is for when you are relatively young. Steroid use is an all cases a dumb idea. When one hits 30, other things are at heart, than looking like Arnold. At least in most cases..

[gixxerboy1]

REAL hard to create another user. Good job!

Nevertheless.. I have been reading through some of the following posts.

Could you lose 50 lbs, not knowing anything about dieting or training?

Fair enough that do not want this board to be a front for young steroid users. But one cycle is NOT going to kill you. And that is all i want.

Being condescending is not helping anyone. It just makes you out to be a moron. Not even a moron with knowledge. Constructive critisism is the way to go. Maybe you could try it some time. Ofcourse in my case, that would not help, since i have already decided. But if you REALLY mean you want whats best for people.. Guide them to the correct way. Argue why they should wait. Make a sticky "Why you should not be using steroids yet".

And yes.. Nobody wants to be an old ass steroid user. Dumb stuff is for when you are relatively young. Steroid use is an all cases a dumb idea. When one hits 30, other things are at heart, than looking like Arnold. At least in most cases..

So i guess we should just ban your ip instead of the little suspension then?

[stpete]

I think so Gix! Some people just don't know when to quit.

[Shadowmaker]

i didnt advice anyone to take tren...

that bike you have, is something that 18yr olds drive where i come from... it just seems that we have a lil bit different mentality over here so i dont understand you and you dont understand me...
bikes? that is for teens in here... what you describe as your life is something kids do in here... like, if i would show these kinds of pictures to any woman i know in here, at the age of 20-40, they would laugh about you being some strange old dude playing with young girls and driving a bike.

so, by this being said, i think there is no reason for us to talk our life stories and dreams, cause you come from different world... it could be cool for you(i have seen american movies, i know a lil bit) but it would be a huge shame for me to live like you do... if i would be like you at the age of 47, my own wife would be ashamed.

as for living till old age - i agree with you there... but no one has actually died of steroid use... its the abuse that could kill... doing test could **** up your hormone levels, but that can be fixed anyway, so there is no actual lethal consequences.

p.s - i just noticed... Honda? dude... Honda? Really...? the buff american dude drives a Honda bicycle - that is the most amuzing stuff i have seen... (im not stupid, i know that might be cool for you and your friends, just - as i said - different mentality, so dont compare my dreams with yours - mine seem lame for you so does yours for me).

Good Luck.
Nice abs thou.

[The Titan99]

i didnt advice anyone to take tren...

that bike you have, is something that 18yr olds drive where i come from... it just seems that we have a lil bit different mentality over here so i dont understand you and you dont understand me...
bikes? that is for teens in here... what you describe as your life is something kids do in here... like, if i would show these kinds of pictures to any woman i know in here, at the age of 20-40, they would laugh about you being some strange old dude playing with young girls and driving a bike.

so, by this being said, i think there is no reason for us to talk our life stories and dreams, cause you come from different world... it could be cool for you(i have seen american movies, i know a lil bit) but it would be a huge shame for me to live like you do... if i would be like you at the age of 47, my own wife would be ashamed.

as for living till old age - i agree with you there... but no one has actually died of steroid use... its the abuse that could kill... doing test could **** up your hormone levels, but that can be fixed anyway, so there is no actual lethal consequences.

Well, the rest of the world can only aspire to a level of sophistication there in eastern Europe it sounds like. As far as the women you know, they sound like self important bitches. The girl's here are from all around the world and I don't hear any of that from them. As far as your wife's concerned, how ashamed does she get when you tell people you want to be Duane Johnson? As far as shame goes, I foresee plenty of opportunity for both you and your wife in the years to come.

If by strange you mean extraordinary, thank God for strangeness. Remember this young man, you are one OF a million 23 year old little fellas that think they know it all and wish they were a movie star. At 47 years old I am one IN a million!! Think it over... I hope you are half the man I am when you are my age. If you are you will have made a lot of progress from where you are now... Good luck Jr.

[Shadowmaker]

not self important bitches - just, being a diving instructor and driving honda bikes is a summer job for 16-18yr olds in here. so that is why you could never understand me and my reasons... the pictures you show is like 16yr old boy with old guys face... no one could understand that in here...

i dont tell people that i wanna be Dwayne Johnson because i dont... if you are saying that you are one in a million i have to belive that you really counted them all? no... so why do you take everything literally, lol, and the same is with the "twice the size" thing - cmon.

i agree with you on most cases about the age thing... but it doesnt change the fact that if you want a lil bit more, you dont have that much time... i dont see you winning Mr. Universe Master class titles or smth - but that is what i would like to do if i was 47...