Tren/Mast/Test on cycle question (Have done some searching)

[hamder]

Besides your age, height and weight, you need to do a lot more research. Your diet is off and you need to get that and training together before starting a cycle. Wait another 2 years and you'll be doing yourself a favor.

Good Luck

Piss off with your ignorant comment

[austinite]

Piss off with your ignorant comment

Really? He gave you the advice with your best interest in mind. You should apologize or go elsewhere with that attitude.

[The Titan99]

Piss off with your ignorant comment

You just told the AR monitor to piss off...AFTER he took the time to give you some valuable advice...LOL!!!

[Shadowmaker]

AFTER he took the time to give you some valuable advice

you do know, that if Weider would give such advice to young Arnold we wouldnt have our King of Bodybuilding and there possibly would not even be The Governator?

we can discuss that kind of "value" all day long
there is a 19yr old dude from Austria that became legend of bodybuilding and now is in the US Politics just because he didnt get that kind of advice, lol...

i would like some advice that will make me The Governator please, not the one that will make me rot right where i am, without any hopes and dreams... there is not much need for 40yr old abs in the world guys.
i know you have some knowledge but by trying to save some "poor soul" you also basically destroy some guys lives... when you shut down some 18yr old kid in here, you actually could be possibly destroying the next Ronnie Coleman.

[*Admin*]

you do know, that if Weider would give such advice to young Arnold we wouldnt have our King of Bodybuilding and there possibly would not even be The Governator?

we can discuss that kind of "value" all day long
there is a 19yr old dude from Austria that became legend of bodybuilding and now is in the US Politics just because he didnt get that kind of advice, lol...

i would like some advice that will make me The Governator please, not the one that will make me rot right where i am, without any hopes and dreams... there is not much need for 40yr old abs in the world guys.
i know you have some knowledge but by trying to save some "poor soul" you also basically destroy some guys lives... when you shut down some 18yr old kid in here, you actually could be possibly destroying the next Ronnie Coleman.

You raise some semi valid points however there is a way to handle yourselves and a way not to...

that said people give advice based on experience... and many have learned that to start young and dumb is not always the best for you as you mature... just ask Arnold... he will agree.... or ask the many that did not make it to the Arnold level because of many injuries or problems that developed because they did or did not listen to people with experience... many stories in this field and everyone is entitled to tell theirs in a respectful way... good bad or otherwise.


We all need to remember that each post is in response to the individual posting and what has been laid out in that post... not all responses will be the same for everyone...

[Shadowmaker]

You raise some semi valid points however there is a way to handle yourselves and a way not to...

that said people give advice based on experience... and many have learned that to start young and dumb is not always the best for you as you mature... just ask Arnold... he will agree.... or ask the many that did not make it to the Arnold level because of many injuries or problems that developed because they did or did not listen to people with experience... many stories in this field and everyone is entitled to tell theirs in a respectful way... good bad or otherwise.


We all need to remember that each post is in response to the individual posting and what has been laid out in that post... not all responses will be the same for everyone...

its not other peoples work to decide for these guys...
as i said before - there are lots of reasons why guys wanna use steroids - pro wrestling, NFL, competitive bodybuilding, and take me for example - just my goals in life and the life i wanna live the way i want to...

these older guys in here are telling young ppl to wait, while we all know that there is such a small place in the world for old guys with abs(sorry guys).
in one thread we had a guy that wanted to look like Zyzz... If he would wait till he is 30, he would be 30 year old dude with the dreams of looking like the 21yr internet dude and getting younger babes and goin to those parties shirtless - dude, thats a description of a CREEP.

if a guy wants to be Zyzz, there ir no point of telling him to wait, cause there is no life for that guy when hes 30 - the Zyzz represented a young dude who lived his life with no regrets.
some older guys gave shit advice for a guy like this one, just like it would be a shit advice to give for a dude that wants to make NFL or some cover of the local magazine.

Its not our place to think for people. There are houndreds of reasons to start drug use, and there is only one to wait until you are 30.
You talk about health risks? You could point out the deaths of pro wrestlers and the Zyzz dude, but c'mon guys - tanning is as unsafe as steroid use, you have states like California where its sunny all the time - WELCOME TO THE KINGDOM OF SKIN CANCER!
People are born with some kinds of cancer and other diseases, never having a chance to live a life they wanna live.
My grandma was a health freak - did all the yoga stuff and never ate nothing bad : BOOM - tumor, BOOM - death - thats what you get for being healthy. Even her alchoholic husband still lives and is ok.

For the older guys - it is nice that you want to help, but not everyone wants to start achieving his goals when he has a wife and kids to look after. 30 is much too late to start if you have a higher goals. Even 20 is too late in most cases.
Im asking for all of the young guys in here - just because you dont have a huge goals, dont **** it up for the young guys in here. You possibly end up by ruining some young Ronnie Colemans or Christian Boeving life just because he will decide to wait 10 more years and the realise that no one needs his biceps on a cover or in a WWE ring when he has gray hair.

[tboney]

its not other peoples work to decide for these guys...
as i said before - there are lots of reasons why guys wanna use steroids - pro wrestling, NFL, competitive bodybuilding, and take me for example - just my goals in life and the life i wanna live the way i want to...

these older guys in here are telling young ppl to wait, while we all know that there is such a small place in the world for old guys with abs(sorry guys).
in one thread we had a guy that wanted to look like Zyzz... If he would wait till he is 30, he would be 30 year old dude with the dreams of looking like the 21yr internet dude and getting younger babes and goin to those parties shirtless - dude, thats a description of a CREEP.

if a guy wants to be Zyzz, there ir no point of telling him to wait, cause there is no life for that guy when hes 30 - the Zyzz represented a young dude who lived his life with no regrets.
some older guys gave shit advice for a guy like this one, just like it would be a shit advice to give for a dude that wants to make NFL or some cover of the local magazine.

Its not our place to think for people. There are houndreds of reasons to start drug use, and there is only one to wait until you are 30.
You talk about health risks? You could point out the deaths of pro wrestlers and the Zyzz dude, but c'mon guys - tanning is as unsafe as steroid use, you have states like California where its sunny all the time - WELCOME TO THE KINGDOM OF SKIN CANCER!
People are born with some kinds of cancer and other diseases, never having a chance to live a life they wanna live.
My grandma was a health freak - did all the yoga stuff and never ate nothing bad : BOOM - tumor, BOOM - death - thats what you get for being healthy. Even her alchoholic husband still lives and is ok.

For the older guys - it is nice that you want to help, but not everyone wants to start achieving his goals when he has a wife and kids to look after. 30 is much too late to start if you have a higher goals. Even 20 is too late in most cases.
Im asking for all of the young guys in here - just because you dont have a huge goals, dont **** it up for the young guys in here. You possibly end up by ruining some young Ronnie Colemans or Christian Boeving life just because he will decide to wait 10 more years and the realise that no one needs his biceps on a cover or in a WWE ring when he has gray hair.

One of the things that you are forgetting is that this board prides itself on giving safe, sane, factual advice... This is an unspoken rule amongst the more experienced members. The guys starting to young often screw their health up! This is just a simple fact! They also contribute to the demonization of AAS' due to thier ignorance and irresponsible use of these compounds. That has an effect on all of us that want to be able to use these very powerful compounds safely!

There are plenty of boards that have a different mentality! You are certainly welcome to spend your time there!

[Shadowmaker]

You are certainly welcome to spend your time there!

you are welcome to read my opinion and agree to disagree... you are also welcome to give your advice and to let people give theirs and let the OP choose...

just because someone says what you dont like doesnt mean you just get rid of them... that just shows lack of skills to prove your opinion - that is a sign of weakness in skills of defending your opinion.

[Esculptor]

its not other peoples work to decide for these guys...
As i said before - there are lots of reasons why guys wanna use steroids - pro wrestling, nfl, competitive bodybuilding, and take me for example - just my goals in life and the life i wanna live the way i want to...

These older guys in here are telling young ppl to wait, while we all know that there is such a small place in the world for old guys with abs(sorry guys).
In one thread we had a guy that wanted to look like zyzz... If he would wait till he is 30, he would be 30 year old dude with the dreams of looking like the 21yr internet dude and getting younger babes and goin to those parties shirtless - dude, thats a description of a creep.

If a guy wants to be zyzz, there ir no point of telling him to wait, cause there is no life for that guy when hes 30 - the zyzz represented a young dude who lived his life with no regrets.
Some older guys gave shit advice for a guy like this one, just like it would be a shit advice to give for a dude that wants to make nfl or some cover of the local magazine.

Its not our place to think for people. There are houndreds of reasons to start drug use, and there is only one to wait until you are 30.
You talk about health risks? You could point out the deaths of pro wrestlers and the zyzz dude, but c'mon guys - tanning is as unsafe as steroid use, you have states like california where its sunny all the time - welcome to the kingdom of skin cancer!
People are born with some kinds of cancer and other diseases, never having a chance to live a life they wanna live.
My grandma was a health freak - did all the yoga stuff and never ate nothing bad : Boom - tumor, boom - death - thats what you get for being healthy. Even her alchoholic husband still lives and is ok.

For the older guys - it is nice that you want to help, but not everyone wants to start achieving his goals when he has a wife and kids to look after. 30 is much too late to start if you have a higher goals. Even 20 is too late in most cases.
Im asking for all of the young guys in here - just because you dont have a huge goals, dont **** it up for the young guys in here. You possibly end up by ruining some young ronnie colemans or christian boeving life just because he will decide to wait 10 more years and the realise that no one needs his biceps on a cover or in a wwe ring when he has gray hair.

perfect man ! *_*

[The Titan99]

its not other peoples work to decide for these guys...
as i said before - there are lots of reasons why guys wanna use steroids - pro wrestling, NFL, competitive bodybuilding, and take me for example - just my goals in life and the life i wanna live the way i want to...

these older guys in here are telling young ppl to wait, while we all know that there is such a small place in the world for old guys with abs(sorry guys).
in one thread we had a guy that wanted to look like Zyzz... If he would wait till he is 30, he would be 30 year old dude with the dreams of looking like the 21yr internet dude and getting younger babes and goin to those parties shirtless - dude, thats a description of a CREEP.

if a guy wants to be Zyzz, there ir no point of telling him to wait, cause there is no life for that guy when hes 30 - the Zyzz represented a young dude who lived his life with no regrets.
some older guys gave shit advice for a guy like this one, just like it would be a shit advice to give for a dude that wants to make NFL or some cover of the local magazine.

Its not our place to think for people. There are houndreds of reasons to start drug use, and there is only one to wait until you are 30.
You talk about health risks? You could point out the deaths of pro wrestlers and the Zyzz dude, but c'mon guys - tanning is as unsafe as steroid use, you have states like California where its sunny all the time - WELCOME TO THE KINGDOM OF SKIN CANCER!
People are born with some kinds of cancer and other diseases, never having a chance to live a life they wanna live.
My grandma was a health freak - did all the yoga stuff and never ate nothing bad : BOOM - tumor, BOOM - death - thats what you get for being healthy. Even her alchoholic husband still lives and is ok.

For the older guys - it is nice that you want to help, but not everyone wants to start achieving his goals when he has a wife and kids to look after. 30 is much too late to start if you have a higher goals. Even 20 is too late in most cases.
Im asking for all of the young guys in here - just because you dont have a huge goals, dont **** it up for the young guys in here. You possibly end up by ruining some young Ronnie Colemans or Christian Boeving life just because he will decide to wait 10 more years and the realise that no one needs his biceps on a cover or in a WWE ring when he has gray hair.

THE GUY IS TOO YOUNG!! HE HAS 137 lbs of lean body mass for Christsake!!! AND that's if he's being completely honest. Seriously dude, pick your battles. Do you really want to be on that side of the argument? It also sounds like your taking AAS to pick up chic's? You've got to be joking!!! I see your from Eastern Europe. Wouldn't it be easier to just get a job and take a shower and not act like an a$$hole? I'm a 47 year old dive instructor with vascular ab's who goes to beach parties year around. My place in this world is as far as the eye can see. I'm not what I consider a good looking guy, but I get more 20 year old ass than a New York bus stop bench. I'm also 265 lbs and 8-9% BF. Doesn't have a thing to do with getting girls either...

[stpete]

THE GUY IS TOO YOUNG!! HE HAS 137 lbs of lean body mass for Christsake!!! AND that's if he's being completely honest. Seriously dude, pick your battles. Do you really want to be on that side of the argument? It also sounds like your taking AAS to pick up chic's? You've got to be joking!!! I see your from Eastern Europe. Wouldn't it be easier to just get a job and take a shower and not act like an a$$hole? I'm a 47 year old dive instructor with vascular ab's who goes to beach parties year around. My place in this world is as far as the eye can see. I'm not what I consider a good looking guy, but I get more 20 year old ass than a New York bus stop bench. I'm also 265 lbs and 8-9% BF. Doesn't have a thing to do with getting girls either...

Lookin good!! And nice reply.

And the girl on the right....mama mia!!

[Shadowmaker]

It also sounds like your taking AAS to pick up chic's? You've got to be joking!!! I see your from Eastern Europe. Wouldn't it be easier to just get a job and take a shower and not act like an a$$hole? I'm a 47 year old dive instructor with vascular ab's who goes to beach parties year around. My place in this world is as far as the eye can see. I'm not what I consider a good looking guy, but I get more 20 year old ass than a New York bus stop bench. I'm also 265 lbs and 8-9% BF. Doesn't have a thing to do with getting girls either...

im engaged for a year now, lol... i just said that i understand why some guys do stuff.. im doin my thing cause i dont want to be 265lbs and 8-9% BF when im 50... that is my goal for near future... at my 50 i should be twice the size.
being 47 and dont have a family, go to parties and pick up drunk sluts is creepy... girls with daddy issues? c'mon... im not sayin that you dont have fun or that you have missed on life some way - if you are happy its cool, and you body is really good, but in most cases the stuff you tell just makes me throw up in my mouth, cause the picture in the middle looks like incest or some other sick stuff and the girl with the stains on her underwear - gross dude... that is something 20yr old would want... at 47 you own a business, drive a dadsmobile, have a wife and kids the age of those girls you practically violate.

as you can see - what we consider "a good life" is different... who am i to judge you? and who are you to judge me or the guy who wants to be like some guy on the internet?
dude, i wanna be like Dwayne Johnson... and the ****er was on juice when he joined WWF(so he was 19-20 imo)...

[Lunk1]

you do know, that if Weider would give such advice to young Arnold we wouldnt have our King of Bodybuilding and there possibly would not even be The Governator?

we can discuss that kind of "value" all day long
there is a 19yr old dude from Austria that became legend of bodybuilding and now is in the US Politics just because he didnt get that kind of advice, lol...

i would like some advice that will make me The Governator please, not the one that will make me rot right where i am, without any hopes and dreams... there is not much need for 40yr old abs in the world guys.
i know you have some knowledge but by trying to save some "poor soul" you also basically destroy some guys lives... when you shut down some 18yr old kid in here, you actually could be possibly destroying the next Ronnie Coleman.

I am not sure I understand your need to consistantly go against the grain Shadowmaker. YES an argument can often times be made for the opposite side of everything but I am not sure when handing out internet advise read by thousands it is a good idea to go against the odds and known averages and say maybe just maybe you should try it..because one guy was able to get a way with it and it worked out for him.

In this particular case the kid is 5'11" 166 at 17% BF! Like I said I am the same height and 240+ at nearly the same BF% and I consider myself 30 lbs or so overweight. At 166 and 5ft 11 inch this kid should be lean as hell but he obviously is not. I highly doubt when Arnold started juicing that he was outa shape and knew nothing about the gym or nutrition. You seem to be intent on giving ppl who OBVIOUSLY should hold off on gear an excuse to "cheat" and forget about what is really important.

Let us not forget that there are some very impressionable minds on here that have a way of hering only what they want to hear and gleaming only what they want to read from a post or comment so try not giving them an excuse to harm themselves please. Like telling ppl you have done 10 cycles by the age of 22...really??? Do you think that is the type of comment or advise that young teens should be getting? I am not talking about the 1 genetic freak who is going to make it. I am talking about the average joe who just wants to get back at the big guy in the gym that stole his girlfriend.

[Shadowmaker]

I am not talking about the 1 genetic freak who is going to make it. I am talking about the average joe who just wants to get back at the big guy in the gym that stole his girlfriend.

1)with this kinds of advice you give ppl, we would NEVER have any freaks... they would all be scared and hiding under the bed, waiting till they're 30.

2)getting back at the big guy could be a goal in life... my goal is to be the biggest and leanest guy whereever i go, except for pro bodybuilders... its a lifestyle choice - starting with a car, the food, tanning, haircuts, clothes i chose, house i wanna build, education i wanna have, job i wanna do. i have this image of a man inside my head that i wanna become - i trained for some years, gained 55lbs, never could get more weight up, so i started to do steroids...
now i see that the steroids dont do miracles - i still need 10 years to reach my goals, along with all the factors i mentioned(education, life).
so if it turns out good - i might start to feel good about my life when im 30... its already too late dude.

im just sayin - some guys have goals that cant be fulfilled by getting stucked at some point... life is too short to risk waiting...
get big or die trying... if you start at 30, you might never be that big you have always wanted - not enough time left

[stpete]

Piss off with your ignorant comment

Piss off and ignorant comment,huh?

I suggest you take full advantage of this site while you can cause i have a feeling you won't be here much longer.

Good Luck in your future endeavors.

[hamder]

Piss off and ignorant comment,huh?

I suggest you take full advantage of this site while you can cause i have a feeling you won't be here much longer.

Good Luck in your future endeavors.

Who cares.. Ill be back. If not, there are many sites, where the mods do not speak to you in a condescending way, which make you look like an idiot. So good luck to you too.. Happy to help make you feel like a bigger man.