Where the hell is that god damn carb cycling thread???

[Atomini]

There's a thread on carb cycling in the nutrition forum that is just jam packed with a gigantic amount of reading material on carb cycling, food choices, etc. and I have attempted to use the search function countless times and I just can't find it. And no it's not the carb cycling thread by 405 or the thread that 405 posted in with all of his information. I'm talking about a different thread that I think is older and I forgot who made the posts in it.

Anyone able to help me find it or better yet already know which one i'm talking about?

[Sfla80]

Search **top** and he had a great thread about Keto cycling diet but this was 2 years ago maybe.

[Atomini]

I just looked that one up, and although that's a great thread, it's not the one i'm looking for. The one i'm looking for had the OP making like 5 posts in a row just jam packed with information because he was exceeding the character limit of his posts.

[milky01623]

Have you tried gbrice or steM I would've thought one of those would know

[Back In Black]

Try this one

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=Carb+cycling

[stpete]

This is the only one i see that comes kinda close.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...d#.ULe1H6zIWMs

[bigZthedestroyer]

There's one in the competitive bob stickies by MikeXXL that touches on carb cycling, water, and something else...maybe

[Lunk1]

Not sure but you sound like your carb deficiant...so angry sounding in the title lol.

[Atomini]

Try this one

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=Carb+cycling

Hmmm... not the one.

This is the only one i see that comes kinda close.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...d#.ULe1H6zIWMs

Also not it, but very close. Do you know which one i'm talking about?

There's one in the competitive bob stickies by MikeXXL that touches on carb cycling, water, and something else...maybe

Also not it... damnit.

Not sure but you sound like your carb deficiant...so angry sounding in the title lol.

I'm beginning a carb cycle on monday, and I haven't carb cycled in a long while so I need to do some refresher reading. And the thread i'm trying to find was literally the GOD of carb cycling threads. There were massive lists of food choices of the perfect carbs to eat on carb up days and everything. Absolutely gigantic posts. I won't stop until I find this thread. I came across it about 3 months back but I should have bookmarked it!

[RaginCajun]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...carb%20cycling

what about this one

[gixxerboy1]

i found this carb cycle

[Atomini]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...carb%20cycling

what about this one

PRAISED BE TO YOU!!!! YOU FOUND IT!!!! THANK YOU! THANK YOU THANK YOU!

That thread is the king of carb cycling threads, it has all the information anyone could ever need. Time to copy and paste all of that info into a word file on my computer.

i found this carb cycle

Mmmm... got some good results off that?

[Lunk1]

Hmmm...Do you think Carb cycling would be more effective than IF???

[stpete]

Ahhh, i've read everything from Pinnacle as far as workouts go, but not anything on nutrition. Should have known. haha..

[Atomini]

Hmmm...Do you think Carb cycling would be more effective than IF???

What's IF?

Like I said I haven't done carb cycling in a while and i'm going to attempt it next week starting on monday, but it will be with a cycle as well (Test Prop, Tren Ace, Anavar). All of my previous experiences with carb cycling have been off-cycle. I got great results, but I did tend to lose some muscle mass here and there, but not a whole lot. That was likely due to either dropping carbs too low for too long, or just simply the muscle loss we all experience when trying to shred fat.

[Lunk1]

IF=Intermittent fasting

[Atomini]

I've never even heard of that... what does it entail? Judging by the name, i'm assuming its kind of like carb cycling except its just brief periods of total fasting?

[kelkel]

You guys perplex the crap out of me with the diet stuff...

[AXx]

You guys perplex the crap out of me with the diet stuff...

Not everyone is a Greek God Kel, lol

[AXx]

I've never even heard of that... what does it entail? Judging by the name, i'm assuming its kind of like carb cycling except its just brief periods of total fasting?

Yes sir IF is intermittent fasting. 16hr fast with an 8hr feeding window. Leangains dot com will give you all the info you need on it. I have done it and liked it.

[kelkel]

Ha. I know there's a fire burning somewhere......hello.....911....

How are ya Axx?

[Atomini]

Yes sir IF is intermittent fasting. 16hr fast with an 8hr feeding window. Leangains dot com will give you all the info you need on it. I have done it and liked it.

Sounds interesting, but I tend to shy away from anything that involves complete fasting for fear of muscle loss. You might be suspecting my next question is: did you see any muscle loss while doing this?

[AXx]

Ha. I know there's a fire burning somewhere......hello.....911....

How are ya Axx?

Shhhh.....don't talk like that. I would rather sit here in the recliner and do nothing!! I'm good brother, hope your well also.

[AXx]

Sounds interesting, but I tend to shy away from anything that involves complete fasting for fear of muscle loss. You might be suspecting my next question is: did you see any muscle loss while doing this?

Actually NO. There are a couple of good threads on that as well. Fatman had a pretty intense turn around while using gear and doing IF. GBrice has used it several times. I went from 23% bf to 15% in about 2 1/2-3 months while doing IF. Gains in the gym were steady while not using gear. No muscle loss.

I will entertain this carb cycling in February I think it a great tool. Most of my BB/stage show guys that I'm buddies with use this method for their insane cuts before a show.

[--->>405<<---]

Sounds interesting, but I tend to shy away from anything that involves complete fasting for fear of muscle loss. You might be suspecting my next question is: did you see any muscle loss while doing this?

hey atomini i knew id seen that article before u were looking for. ill prob get crap for posting this link. this is where the article is derived. i read it about 8months ago..

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par30.htm


also id like to note (in reference to ur question above) im fasting 11hrs EOD (after waking so approx 20hrs total) and am seeing no muscle loss.

[Atomini]

Actually NO. There are a couple of good threads on that as well. Fatman had a pretty intense turn around while using gear and doing IF. GBrice has used it several times. I went from 23% bf to 15% in about 2 1/2-3 months while doing IF. Gains in the gym were steady while not using gear. No muscle loss.

I will entertain this carb cycling in February I think it a great tool. Most of my BB/stage show guys that I'm buddies with use this method for their insane cuts before a show.

Well aint' that interesting.

Makes me want to attempt it. Do you have a log that you did that I could perhaps check out to get an example of how to go about doing IF?

I might want to give IF a shot after i'm done my carb cycling run.

[Lunk1]

hey atomini i knew id seen that article before u were looking for. ill prob get crap for posting this link. this is where the article is derived. i read it about 8months ago..

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par30.htm


also id like to note (in reference to ur question above) im fasting 11hrs EOD (after waking so approx 20hrs total) and am seeing no muscle loss.

Well GURU! You have done both right? Which would you say is more effective for fat loss with the least muscle wasting???

[--->>405<<---]

Well GURU! You have done both right? Which would you say is more effective for fat loss with the least muscle wasting???

well technically what im doing now is ADF (alternate day fasting) and not IF. however i did not lose any muscle on the carb cycle either. personally i am seeing better results (leaner) with the ADF than the carb cycle.

the carb cycle is good IMO and many have great success with it and i actually cycle carbs as well as fast.. the type of carb cycle i did before was a glycogen depletion carb cycle which would not have worked under the same conditions as this article above.

personally i think i have found the new improved method of diet for myself. am still only in week 5 so itll be a little while before i can say without question but i am leaner now than ive been ever and get to eat 3500cals + 350g carbs EOD.

also i am getting stronger while losing fat and weight..

[Lunk1]

well technically what im doing now is ADF (alternate day fasting) and not IF. however i did not lose any muscle on the carb cycle either. personally i am seeing better results (leaner) with the ADF than the carb cycle.

the carb cycle is good IMO and many have great success with it and i actually cycle carbs as well as fast.. the type of carb cycle i did before was a glycogen depletion carb cycle which would not have worked under the same conditions as this article above.

personally i think i have found the new improved method of diet for myself. am still only in week 5 so itll be a little while before i can say without question but i am leaner now than ive been ever and get to eat 3500cals + 350g carbs EOD.

also i am getting stronger while losing fat and weight..

You suck!!!!

[AXx]

well technically what im doing now is ADF (alternate day fasting) and not IF. however i did not lose any muscle on the carb cycle either. personally i am seeing better results (leaner) with the ADF than the carb cycle.

the carb cycle is good IMO and many have great success with it and i actually cycle carbs as well as fast.. the type of carb cycle i did before was a glycogen depletion carb cycle which would not have worked under the same conditions as this article above.

personally i think i have found the new improved method of diet for myself. am still only in week 5 so itll be a little while before i can say without question but i am leaner now than ive been ever and get to eat 3500cals + 350g carbs EOD.

also i am getting stronger while losing fat and weight..

So you are below the dreaded 7.8% bf now. Lol

How lean we talking here? ADF. Hmmmm never heard of it but I think I like it.

[Lunk1]

I think I could fast easily if I know the reload is worth it. If I only get to reload on fkn chick and oats then screw it lol

[--->>405<<---]

So you are below the dreaded 7.8% bf now. Lol

How lean we talking here? ADF. Hmmmm never heard of it but I think I like it.

yes i believe i am below the 7.8% but id like to clarify this 7.8% was with calipers done by my wife (which ive always been suspicious of her accuracy). 8% with her calipers = 13% BOD POD.. im prob around 10-11% BOD POD rite now. havent been lately. will prob go here soon

I think I could fast easily if I know the reload is worth it. If I only get to reload on fkn chick and oats then screw it lol

obviously when i eat high carbs (which is only in a 4 hr window BTW) i keep fats for the day as low as i can. 350g carbs in 3 meals. usually consisting of:
blueberry oat pancakes
strawberry and banana oat pancakes
2 sandwiches (which im living cuz i never got bread before)
capn crunch peanut butter
whole wheat pasta
oatmeal with brown sugar and banana

[Atomini]

Wow, i'm amazed at what i'm reading here. I am probably going to try either IF or ADF a month or two after I finish my carb cycle.

yes i believe i am below the 7.8% but id like to clarify this 7.8% was with calipers done by my wife (which ive always been suspicious of her accuracy). 8% with her calipers = 13% BOD POD.. im prob around 10-11% BOD POD rite now. havent been lately. will prob go here soon



obviously when i eat high carbs (which is only in a 4 hr window BTW) i keep fats for the day as low as i can. 350g carbs in 3 meals. usually consisting of:
blueberry oat pancakes
strawberry and banana oat pancakes
2 sandwiches (which im living cuz i never got bread before)
capn crunch peanut butter
whole wheat pasta
oatmeal with brown sugar and banana

So then it's okay to not eat completely clean on your reload?

[Lunk1]

yes i believe i am below the 7.8% but id like to clarify this 7.8% was with calipers done by my wife (which ive always been suspicious of her accuracy). 8% with her calipers = 13% BOD POD.. im prob around 10-11% BOD POD rite now. havent been lately. will prob go here soon



obviously when i eat high carbs (which is only in a 4 hr window BTW) i keep fats for the day as low as i can. 350g carbs in 3 meals. usually consisting of:
blueberry oat pancakes
strawberry and banana oat pancakes
2 sandwiches (which im living cuz i never got bread before)
capn crunch peanut butter
whole wheat pasta
oatmeal with brown sugar and banana

Sandwiches and PB capn crunch...oh fuk me! I'm so in now!!!

[Atomini]

Ahahah man its way too late for me to change my decision to do ADF now, but I just might try this some time a month or two into the new year.

My other question is: is it possible to build muscle on ADF? On cycle or not? I know that its possible with carb cycling, but i'm curious if it can be done with something involving fasting.

[--->>405<<---]

Wow, i'm amazed at what i'm reading here. I am probably going to try either IF or ADF a month or two after I finish my carb cycle.
So then it's okay to not eat completely clean on your reload?

i would not make a blanket statement like that. the diet i listed above is what i eat during my pre-workout phase of my current diet. i am having good results thus far. thats not to say everyone would. the higher GI carbs during pre-workout have not caused any probs thus far.

also adjustments will be made with amount of carbs ingested pre-workout as well as scheduling of consecutive fasting days as i progress thru this diet.

for example rite now i eat 3500cals 300-350g carbs eod and 1000-1200cals eod.. it could progress to something like: 2500cals 150g carbs then 2 days of 1000cals ADF 12hr fast then repeat so essentially ill be running 2 fast days in a row followed by 1 carb day with reduced amounts of carbs. time will tell the tale and ill be posting progress

[--->>405<<---]

Ahahah man its way too late for me to change my decision to do ADF now, but I just might try this some time a month or two into the new year.

My other question is: is it possible to build muscle on ADF? On cycle or not? I know that its possible with carb cycling, but i'm curious if it can be done with something involving fasting.

yes i think so. ADF (while technically not alternating days on a "lean bulk" may be a method for maintaining leaner gains. think about it like this:
on high carb days ur trying to create an anabolic environment, on fasting days ur trying to create a fat-burning environment. the only thing left to do to dictate which program ur running is manipulate the amount of each respective day type.

cutting: 1 day high carb, 1 day fasting or 1 day high carb, 2 days fasting repeat

bulking: 2days high carb, 1 day fasting or 3 days high carb, 1 day fasting..

im still going thru the learning process so i can only give u speculative knowledge at this point but i can def tell u the fasting portion makes cutting (and probably maintaining) a LOT easier cuz i get those 3500cal breaks..

[Lunk1]

yes i think so. ADF (while technically not alternating days on a "lean bulk" may be a method for maintaining leaner gains. think about it like this:
on high carb days ur trying to create an anabolic environment, on fasting days ur trying to create a fat-burning environment. the only thing left to do to dictate which program ur running is manipulate the amount of each respective day type.

cutting: 1 day high carb, 1 day fasting or 1 day high carb, 2 days fasting repeat

bulking: 2days high carb, 1 day fasting or 3 days high carb, 1 day fasting..

im still going thru the learning process so i can only give u speculative knowledge at this point but i can def tell u the fasting portion makes cutting (and probably maintaining) a LOT easier cuz i get those 3500cal breaks..

Maybe instead of running the Carb Cycling together Atomini, I will fast and you carb cycle...8 weeks and judge results!!!

[AD]

Maybe instead of running the Carb Cycling together Atomini, I will fast and you carb cycle...8 weeks and judge results!!!

wow, we have a bulking comp going on, and now a cutting comp! fantastic idea. pics pls

[Lunk1]

wow, we have a bulking comp going on, and now a cutting comp! fantastic idea. pics pls

Do they have to be of me...